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Quote from pierconick»

It could be sort of interesting if copper is implemented in an automation sort of manner- given that it doesn't really have many uses at the moment. Copper item pipes and basic autocrafters would go a long ways towards better automation. As it is, (thanks to hopper chains), it's basically impossible to automate anything without a vaguely exploitative iron farm first.

Maybe copper can be used to make machines that can change blocks into different states automaticly- automating things like basic crafting recipes; and then some resource unique to the end could be used to make a full blown autocrafter. (Think a 'sawmill' block that can be set to craft a single wood based recipe.)

Autocrafter doesn't exactly need to be from copper, it's just one processing part of the machine.
What could give copper a massive surge in use is adding an additional recipe for hoppers - with use of copper instead of iron.

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I should add in a biome update the snowy oak forest which is the same as the snowy biome but with birch forests this would help Minecrafters when they are exploring in biomes snowy and have no wood, it could be more or less rare than normal snowy forest.

Large mixed forests are not present in subpolar regions - only pine forests, called taiga, grow there.
Aforementioned taiga is a biome in-game and has a snowy variation.
If you are stuck on snowy tundra, which is mostly flat, you still can find trees from time to time, and growing a plantation out of a single tree is just a matter of time - they almost always drop more than one sapling, usually two or three.

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Why not add a soul stone which can be crafted from soul soil or get from killing the warden.
Its just like soul soil which slows you down and can be faster with soul speed

1. Soul soil doesn't slow the player down. Only soul sand does that.
2. Mojang holds a steadfast position in regards of wardens - they will not give them any useful drops, they are supposed to be avoided, and not killed.

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I agree, attempting to terraform a hot desert into a deciduous forest however should not be rewarding, trees like oak and birch should dry up and burn in desert biomes if players attempt growing them there unless there is a river nearby, or if players had built any underground streams for them to absorb and remain moist, which would be a time consuming task, forcing players to make do with a small oak or birch farm in deserts or use a different biome.

it's too hot in these regions, and there isn't enough water. In fact this is why some plants like cactus have their own water reservoirs inside them. They have a bulge at the stems precisely to store surplus water, that they manage to absorb during the occasional heavy rainfall or flood.

It's hard enough for trees that exist in the tropics to keep their water unless they are close to the sea, a stream or a lake.

allyourbasesaregone does have a valid point here, trees not native to their own biome

should not be easy to maintain and it does make sense even from a gameplay aspect to change this.

Needing to pour water will kinda ramp up the difficulty, since the farms in convenient locations will become water-tier.

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i always rely on using plants in Minecraft, and really only have a few sheep, cows and chickens for wool and cake. I get my leather from wandering trader's llamas, so no need to farm cows. i get plenty of feathers from sleeping with cats, so no need to farm chickens.

However, eating the same 3 vegetables (carrot, potato, beet) gets kind of boring. don't get me wrong, there's also sweet berries, glow berries, brown and red mushrooms, kelp, apples, melon, pumpkin, wheat, and cocoa... but I feel like Minecraft should add at least SOME of the plants from the farmlife world pack to vanilla. things like blueberries, strawberries, fruit trees, nuts, leafy greens, and other grains like corn and oat... (along with the array of food that comes with it) I loved farmlife for the food and farming, but the world was 20mg of storage on it's own. It makes the game so much more fun and makes eating more than something that you do just because.

Update regarding food diversity? Yes.
Adding more and more food sources without rebalancing what we have already? No.
I'm disappointed with current system because it doesn't incentivize eating more than one type of food rations over, and over again.
And by one type I don't mean carrots to apples to melons to sweet berries to kelp.

I mean eating either bread (low development level) cooked potatoes (medium development level) or cooked meat (high development level) over and over, with no practical applications of things like carrots or fruits beyond using them as brewing compounds, since a stack or two of high-saturation cooked food will always keep you functioning even on longer voyages.

I want no more food sources added without restructuring of what we have now, in two ways:
1. Biome related growth speed. If a food source is from specific biome, it will grow the fastest there. If you have various colonies and separate plantations, it will be the most efficient to eat local crop and meat based on local animal eating said crop. Even if one food type within a category will be better than others in one biome, it will grow too slowly in another one.
2. Nutrients and effects on players. The food types should be categorized to three types, one of which give you more energy, like cake, potatoes or bread, and fill more of hunger bar, another one that gives you proteins, like meat, regenerating more HP when the bar is almost filled, and a third type, like carrots or berries, that give you microelements/vitamins that weaken specific negative status effects - either shortening their timers, temporarily making them not influence you while timer is still ticking, or like honey bottle, completely removing a specific effect.

That would not prevent the player on running on cooked potatoes at all times, but will incentivize taking several different food types and switching their sources depending on where you are - if you have low hunger bar, you eat bread, if you are wounded, you eat beef (since bread restores just a couple hitpoints), if you got poisoned you drink honey, if you move to Taiga you farm potatoes there and feed pigs with it, if you move to Jungle you farm melons, and whenever you need more food you take the local food, because it grows faster...

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To me it seems silly to allow taiga trees in jungles or the nether and jungle trees in tundras or The End.

Make it so jungles need hot biomes, acacia warm, birch moderate, dark oak cool, oak cold, and spruce frozen. Or something of the sort.

Partial support.
The trees (and other crops, too) should still grow in non-natural biomes in regard of humidity and temperature, however, the growth in similar humidity/temperature should be faster, up to 2x speed in the most ideal climate.
It'd mean that you'd be the most time-efficient farming local sources of food, but if you really needed certain products in a certain biome (ex. skyblock) you'd still get them, just at slower rate. I'd also reward colonization of various biomes and picking crops in environments like End or Nether more wisely.

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It's still heavier than ash or charcoal, charcoal has a lot of carbon but it's also burned wood, it's also a lot more combustible than diamond.

Diamonds can burn, but they do slowly.

the reason why bullets are used in real life for guns is their density, their density means they can deliver more force to the target they're intended to destroy.

armour also has to be dense or otherwise it will not be very effective at stopping penetration, even then you need thick walls of concrete or steel to stop some bullets.

Lead is a soft metal and can be easily ripped with your bare hands, but what you're talking about is tensile strength,

this is true, but lead is durable in another way and that is why it is used for lethal rounds.

Increased density often can, (but not always) mean greater protection or greater stopping power.

High density materials are also used to stop ionizing radiation, especially gamma and xrays as well as alpha and beta particles.

Except for lethal radiation or the bullets, this is what is being discussed on denser materials, I do agree

that deepslate in Minecraft should have better explosive resistance to make it more useful, and it should withstand Creeper explosions.

Diamond is densier than other forms of carbon, yes, but it's its orderly structure that gives it an edge. The structure is available thanks to how compressed the atoms are, but not all materials are so regularly structured when compressed.

Composite armor is both lighter and sturdier than rolled homogenous steel plate - using materials like pure silica, fiberglass (plastic+silica) or rubber. Density has little to do with armor protection against piercing. Actually, the lighter, the better - it enables more mobility thanks to less strain to whatever moves the object aroun.

Lead is used for bullets not for its penetrating power or durability, but because dense materials have big inertia - while harder to accelerate, they don't lose speed (and therefore energy they carry) so badly over longer distances. However, many cheaper armor-piercing bullets use hardened steel instead of lead despite inferior density, because lead would squash over hard armor while hardened steel would puncture it. Those armor piercing rounds suffer due to dealing less damage to flesh of the target - lead bullet has much higher energy and damages organs in wider area from impact with the shockwave (which is characteristic in gunshot wounds), while steel one is causing more of conventional piercing wound, like that of crossbow bolt or an arrow, which is much less serious.

Expensive armor-piercing rounds use tungsten, which is densier and harder than both, so it combines the best aspects of both steel and lead, but it's rare and expensive metal. During WW2 tungsten rounds were rare, and usually restricted to be used against heavy tanks, and some anti-tank squeeze-bore weapons, despite their efficiency, were restricted in production due to their cost.
Practically all normal AT guns used armor-piercing rounds made from lighter hardened steel. Lead was used in only one anti-tank rifle of Polish origin (Wz. 35 Ur, which used shockwave to cause spall and didn't penetrate armor), while most others, like PTRS, used hardened steel rounds.

Regarding explosions - while it's not of much issue in a large tank or other vehicle, an object made of durable but lightweight material would easily be displaced by an explosion if it's not firmly attached to something. A dense but brittle object would be cracked by explosion to pieces, and while some pieces would stand firmly, others would fly away. A dense but soft object on the other hand would be disfigured by an explosion into different shape. Deepslate should combine both high density, hardness and low brittleness - a great combination against explosive blast - that neither gets bent or torn apart by the explosion due to its structural integrity nor it gets thrown around much thanks to inertia stemming from density.

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This would be taking it to its logical conclusion. It shouldn't be easy to damage deepslate by an explosion or blunt force, and materials that have been heavily compressed tend to have the greater amount of density or hardness, this is why in real life diamonds are the hardest naturally found substance on the planet, they're compressed carbon, and are effective at cutting or grinding other materials.

The heavier or more massive the object is the harder it is to move or destroy it.

Diamond is durable not because it's particularly dense, it's actually quite lightweight - 3.51 grams per milimeter.
Diamond is durable because it has specific, orderly internal structure.
Lead and gold are incredibly dense (11.29 and 19.3 g/ml), yet they are very soft metals.

But regarding the initial proposal, I agree - a material nearly immune to creepers, but more abundant and simple to relocate would definitely come in handy.

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Shulker Box (empty) + netherite ingot on smithing table = unburnable box

Shulker boxes are now renewable so this makes sense to me to add.

Full support. Shulker boxes are highly useful end-game items, I think they should be possible to upgrade to improve their reliability.

This idea will never see the daylight. Mojang explicitly announced they want no guns in this game. https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/360005029872-Previously-Considered-Suggestions

Otherwise, I'd rather see either a new thrown weapon - chakram for example, or a muscle-powered launcher-weapon - sling for example, or a magical launcher-weapon - fire charge shooting rod for example.

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I have a feeling we're intended to build our own, given the game seems to be set in pre-industrial times.

Also 1.18 is already set to focus on cave elevation generation, wardens, biomic caves, and archaeology, so factories would probably wait until 1.19.

Personally I don't think factories will be in 1.19.
Lets look at what updates have done in the past

New Redstone Components
New Building Blocks/Colours

New animals (Horses/Pandas etc)

New Sea biomes (+ Mobs)

New Nether Biomes (+ Mobs)

New 'Underground' Biomes (+ mob)
New World Generation

I suspect 1.19 may be yet another Biome update.. Probably the End getting an update

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To me it seems silly to allow taiga trees in jungles or the nether and jungle trees in tundras or The End.

Make it so jungles need hot biomes, acacia warm, birch moderate, dark oak cool, oak cold, and spruce frozen. Or something of the sort.

It's not quite that simple, while it is true climate affects tree growth and whether or not they can be grown in a region, the fact is as long as there is sunlight, water, soil and a suitable temperature they will grow.

Also trees that grow in the tropics and subtropics will grow whether they were in a savanna or jungle biome. This is why palm trees are common in both biomes in real life.

In fact sometimes it is harder for trees to grow in a jungle because of competition that exists, and that because other trees are blocking sunlight for undergrowth, many plants below them will wither and die.

And it being too hot can be a major downside for plants, because it can start forest fires.

Usually precipitation helps prevent this happening to rainforests, but sometimes it does get too hot and dry at or near the equator.

https://thegreatsavanna.weebly.com/savanna-plants.html

This just sounds like an overpowered version of the sword.

Shulker Box (empty) + netherite ingot on smithing table = unburnable box

Shulker boxes are now renewable so this makes sense to me to add.

This is a simple one:

Deepslate takes twice as long to mine as stone, so logically it should have roughly twice as much blast resistance, yes?

This would make mining for the stuff to use as base material have more value than simply aesthetics, since creepers and the like would do far less damage to it.

I've long thought they should add corn to Minecraft. It would be very versatile! Animal feed, person food, process it into other things. Seems perfect for the Minecraft world.

> In Java Edition, nether stars dropped by withers take 5 minutes to despawn and are immune to explosions. In Bedrock Edition, nether star items never despawn, neither by time nor by explosions.

Nether Star – Official Minecraft Wiki (fandom.com)

Netherite exists now, it's been 13 updates since 1.4, let's make nether stars fire and lava immune in case the wither exposes lava or creates fire from its last skulls and explosion(s) when it dies.

Autocrafting- it's been an idea for ages, with arguments on both sides. In this thread, I wanted to try and provide arguments for and against the idea, as well as some ways it could be implemented. Obviously, this is far from a complete analysis, and I will edit the OP accordingly. Feedback is appreciated!

Simply put, the premise is as follows: Players have found means of automating brewing, smelting, agriculture, even monster hunting- why (or why not) crafting? Which brings us to our first section.

PROS & CONS OF AUTOCRAFTING

If only in my opinion, there seem to be a lot more pros than cons to this idea- the main disadvantage being how drastic and unpredictable the repercussions would be.This would be such a fundamental change to the game that it would be very difficult to balance- and, generally speaking, large drastic changes that alter long accepted parts of the game are not generally appreciated.

However, there is a pretty simple counterargument for this- frequently, small unintentional changes have had huge repercussions that couldn't have been predicted, (Such as iron golems dropping ingots leading to the discovery of iron farms), at least if something this big was added deliberately, it could be properly tested. Secondly, Autocrafting would most likely be a late game feature, and, (ideally), wouldn't alter existing gameplay, but rather enhance it and provide new options. (As any good feature should.)

Another concern is that autocrafting could be overpowered- and this could very easily be the case if the feature were not carefully implemented. In the long run, however, I think this would mostly be a helpful, time saving feature that would give a new challenge to redstone builders, and itneresting new mechanics for various aspects of the game.

...So... so much for providing a double sided opinion. I'm definitely for Autocrafting being a thing, (even if I'm doubtful it's ever going to be implemented), if only because I'm finding it difficult to think of disadvantages that wouldn't simply be the result of poor implementation. (I'm sure someone could provide some more pressing concerns about this feature.)

IMPACTS & IMPLEMENTATION

The impacts of this would obviously be pretty far reaching. I'm going to describe a relatively simple concept for how this could be implemented, and then go over some of the effects. (Obviously, this is just one of countless ways this could work- consider it a thought experiment for the idea.)

A new redstone block is implemented called the Assembler. (Or Autocrafter, or something.) It's crafted using two diamonds, three netherite ingots, a crafting table, and three stone. Its redstone details light up when powered, and it makes interesting noises when functional. The block requires a silk touch pickaxe to mine, and otherwise just drops the netherite. It functions as follows:

Hoppers can be used to insert ingredients into the Autocrafter. It can hold up to nine at a time. Items can be inserted using a hopper on the top or sides of the block. Regardless of the insertation point, they enter the crafting grid from top to bottom, left to right. In order to design crafting recipes, players can make use of another additional item, the Assembler Node, crafted using one redstone dust and four stone. (It could have other uses, but right now I'm just focusing on autocrafting.) When inserted into the Autocrafter's interface, the nodes prevent items from being placed there, allowing players to make recipes that require a specific shape.

Now, obviously, the simpler approach would be to have a template recipe that determines what the Assembler is crafting, however, I do have a couple of reasons for this system. Primarily, this allows more complex autocrafting systems to be designed that can craft multiple different recipes without having to manually change the template. Secondly, it encourages more interesting, (and possibly more frustrating) redstone mechanics that would make this feature more inclined towards slightly more experienced redstone builders. (Not that anyone wants to deliberately make a feature frustrating, rather, more complex.) I concede that it could be needlessly complicated, and, instead of a devoted item, slots in the autocrafter could also just be turned on and off, as that would probably be simpler. (However, devoted items could be moved in and out of the crafter automatically to make for a more complex system.)

When the Assembler receives a redstone signal, it automatically crafts whatever is in its crafting grid. The result can then be removed from the output slot by means of a hopper below the block. Assemblers cannot craft multiple of the same recipe at once. A simple redstone clock could be used to craft things as quickly as possible, whereas more complex systems could craft items depending on what's needed.

...All in all, this isn't particularly complicated. In fact, an even simpler implementation could be achieved by simply giving redstone functionality to the crafting table. However, while the feature itself may be simple, the effects are, (for the most part obvious), but also very far reaching. (I can already imagine the folks on Scicraft making some ridiculous machine that can craft everything simultaneously.) Iron farms could automatically compact iron, (Other farms could similarly compact blocks), redundant crafting processes could be overcome through ingenuity, etc. It's honestly hard to predict the results of such a wide reaching change, but suffice to say they would be pretty drastic.

What are your thoughts on the topic?

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SUPPORT!

I would even call this the sandbox 2.0 update.

Once the Cave and cliffs update is done, we need an end update. After that mojang should realy focuse on the roots of minecraft, the sandbox aspect.

We need many new blocks and varients of already existing ones. Like leaf stairs and slaps.

It doesn't matter if they can be generated, we just need acess to these items in creative mode for building / map making.

There is no reason to hold back creativity.

They should also be accessible in survival mode, because some people like resource gathering and take pride out of building their structures when it is done with resources that have been earned in normal gameplay.

More block variants are fine, as long as they look different enough and also serve a purpose in the game.

Although I will agree with you on the point that there are enough leaf blocks in the game, with the exception of palm trees which don't exist in the game yet, but they would be nice and also we could have coconuts introduced at some point.

There are some valid concerns about performance and file sizes however, when more block variants are introduced into the life of the game.

But you've said it yourself that Minecraft's roots is it is a sandbox, therefore the focus should be to enhance people's creativity.

I can see your point about the wider choice of building blocks. However, if you just look on how many blocks there really are in Minecraft that could really change your mind. I think we already have a wide choice of building blocks, including the blocks being added in the 1.17 update.

I do 100% agree with your idea about having items inspired by different mods such as the builder's wand. The only problem about that is I doubt that Minecraft would take something that was original to a mod and add it to their game. If you want building mods, you might as well install a mod that has them.