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    posted a message on Let's bring back Minecraft Pi!!!

    Lets do this!

    Posted in: Minecraft: Pi Edition
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    posted a message on Supernet2s 24/7 (Survival Normal/Hardcore) PS Vita Server(s)


    Update 1/26/2016

    • Next Batch of players added/re-requested for adding*
    • Refreshed Server, Titled 1-26-2016
    • Server Switched over to temporary host under IGN supernet2, Server is hosted on ps vita OLED version, this is my primary ps vita, expect its up-times to be wonky* Server isn't monitored, server is set with disabled trophies until 3mo from now i invest in new vitas to replace the dead vita(s), and re-initialize servers
    • Temp Server Parameters - Normal, Trophies disabled
    • Temp server isn't always online, i sometimes bring my ps vita to work lol expect it to be dodgy
    • Brought online a ps4 server only while im at work do i leave it up, same rules apply, it will have similar run times to the ps-vita temp server(This note is updated to its separate thread) Figured i'd mention it though given it is on the same PSN id supernet2
    • Brought Down ps3 server, pending on investing in new ps3, this server maybe down permanently still debating on if i wanna buy another ps3 to many gui issues.
    • Opening up a minecraft PE server, running identical to how the game runs, basically, it will be up when im up, till i decide to recode the raspberry pi to emulate the android os, or i just leave another HTC M Series phone active/infinitely running the server to keep a "always up" portable IOS/android cross play server Notes here, but will hot link the server thread details shortly, it will have a similar layout to the ps vita rules, and follow the same template/format as this thread Link to Minecraft PE 24/7 Server thread -->supernet2 24/7 Minecraft PE Server
    • I will be opening up a minecraft WII U server, given it just came out, again same parameters as the vita, ps3, and ps4 rules, will post link and thread once server goes "Live"
    • Simplified Rules, color coding, correcting spelling errors

    The Idea: The idea behind this server is solely to have both a functional minecraft ps vita server up and running for the public coupled with the backing idea of a "always available" or "always on" ps vita server so if your friends of Supernet2/supernet2host/penpen11/penpen/DLer/Downloader or know someone in the server at time, you can join the server regardless to have a multiplayer experience that is available.

    The Rules: Currently the rules are NOT enforced as this server is now considered unstable. Have fun!

    Follow color coding BLUE means not enfored, ORANGE means enforced;

    ---The Rules---

    • You must have a functioning mic (PS Vita has built in mic no way to avoid this!)
    • You must beable to speak or understand english
    • You must be respectful of others. War is fun, but still treat them with respect even if you are stabbing them in the face
    • No spawn camping (Ex: Constant PVPing someone, PVPing IS ALLOWED, but not in excessive force against one person (ex: Trolling them so they cant do anything)
    • No Trolling (Ex: Preventing them from doing anything with constant stalkerish attacking/mine thwarting)
    • No Mic chatter spam; Ex: Screaming children in the background? Mute your mic!
    • Their is no safe zone, careful with who you trust.

    ---Allowed in moderation---

    • PvP (No spawn camping their continued spawn point, give em a few seconds to at least recover)
    • Raiding (Raiding is allowed at all given times, just beware if you get caught someone might go to war with yah!)
    • Destruction of base(s) (Try not to destroy bases i understand a creeper can go boom and blow up the base, if thats the case oh well, but try to keep base destruction to a minimum)

    ---Enforcement of Rules---

    Simply put failure to follow rules can possibly result in a kick, or a ban. A ban being defriended and kicked with permissions revoked. A kick being permissions revoked and re-enabled(If server hosted is running under Permission Rules) if you re agree to follow the rules. Failure to follow rules repetitively can result in a permanent removal, meaning no mod will clear you and you will be permanently kicked on sight upon entry into server, ontop of having permissions revoked.

    The Current Function of the Server: Enabling everyone to connect to the PS Vita/PS4 server considered as a always "on/accessable" server. Examples range from if your not my friend and your friend is you can join thus have a infinite string of friend of friend of friend chain-linking any given time to join in the server (assuming i dont clear you, etc....)


    The Problems: The issue though is that when ps vita server crashes/dc's i half to manually restart/power cycle/re-load the world. This is a issue i cannot avoid. If the server is down your welcome to message me directly on psn ID Supernet2, thats my actual master account i use often tethered to my phone, and all of my devices that support sony login/remoting functions. If the server is down just message me on PSN ID supernet2, when i get it and am aware ill acknowledge the problem and power cycle the device if im able (or home lol).
    IF YOU DONT SEE THE SERVER UP, 9x out of 10 it is simply a network error (this is unavoidable and is strictly related to how the server retains a active connection, sometimes the minecraft ps vita app glitches up and doesn't report its in offline mode (which this seems to be the case 24/7 currently) please let me be aware of the issue so i can power cycle the device. IF I DONT REPLY, i will reply when im available/actively monitoring.

    What you can do: If it crashed on you or what caused it Post in the listed bugs report thread. Also message me of the time i maybe able to figure out what caused it based on ERROR CODES. If not post here and let me know a detailed idea of what crashed it and the time, so i can look at the ps vita directly and determine what caused it to crap out. Also the detailed bug report you may want to post to -->

    Minecraft PSVITA Edition: Official Bugs List

    Extra Commentary:Feel free to add me on PSN id supernet2 (mention its ps vita edition) for stress testing (This is not a 24/7 PSN ID host ID), ill leave 1 vita server up for now PSN ID = Supernet2host (my secondary sub account used to host since i dont 24/7 host on supernet2 ID, other than on ps3 platform (which also maybe switching to supernet2host) As i often find myself using ps3, ps4, and ps vita with supernet2 which.. lets be honest i want to use those devices beyond hosting hence the alternate account hosts.

    Posted in: MCPSVITA: Servers
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    posted a message on Supernet2s 24/7 (Survival Normal/Hardcore) PS Vita Server(s)

    This has been updated to reflect what the ps vita server(s) i host will be run under. Keep in mind the server WILL BE running under Hardcore mode with USER ID's disabled. No fun in the hunt if you can find them in seconds thanks inpart to the map!

    I Kindly ask you either A. Post here your PSN ID if your playing on the PS vita platform and have read and agreed to the rules/understand what is posted.
    Or
    B. Post here if you have some severe issues with the server and find it absolutely neccessary to mention it here.

    Currently rules are NOT being enforced.

    Update Notes:

    Updates will be done in a chronological order, from top to bottom, this is the first update so IT WILL be listed at the top, future updates will be listed at top and old updates will be listed at bottom in CHRONOLOGICAL order(Top To Bottom).


    Update 8/11/2015


    • Next Batch of players added/re-requested for adding*
    • Refreshed Server, Titled 8-11-2015

    Update 8/3/2015

    • Next Batch of players added/re-requested for adding*
    • Uploaded Pictures to show some recent players whom i see randomly come through the server

    Update 6/18/2015


    • New situation unfolding, given issues with running in hardcore, when server is not actively monitored it will be switched over to normal mode, and when actively being monitored/played on will be switched over to hardcore mode, this should both serve as a active notification of when i am monitoring vs when i am not monitoring, as its a bit hard to just tell everyone "hey im on" and the be on for a random period of time
    • Due to server instabilities with 1/user as host i need to not allow my host profile to die else the server shows to all connectees that "the host has exited this world", to remedy this its advised to just mass barricade a non moving supernet2host profile account by random blocks/items to prevent server from showing "the host has exited this world" issue, as this is why you may see the server up but "unconnectable"
    • Feel free to post here if you'd like, although alot of people are mixing up who to add as i've had over 200+ adds on supernet2 account vs proper adding to supernet2host (you want to ADD supernet2host on psn not supernet2!) i cant keep up with responding back to everyone on ps4, ill try to do a massive group invite to everyone from forums who i have added on supernet2 account with supernet2host in same room so you can just mass add him/join and add one another*! This is a one time thing so add others who join in as well to help expand the network of minecraft ps vita players/ps4/ps3 players*

    Update 4/26/2015

    • Next Batch of players added/re-requested for adding*
    • Feel free to post here if you'd like, although alot of people are mixing up who to add as i've had over 200+ adds on supernet2 account vs proper adding to supernet2host (you want to ADD supernet2host on psn not supernet2!) i cant keep up with responding back to everyone on ps4, ill try to do a massive group invite to everyone from forums who i have added on supernet2 account with supernet2host in same room so you can just mass add him/join and add one another*! This is a one time thing so add others who join in as well to help expand the network of minecraft ps vita players/ps4/ps3 players*

    Update 4/8/2015 - 4/26/2015

    • Next Batch of players added/re-requested for adding*

    Update 4/6/2015

    • Server has only 3 Available slots at any given time (host {+1}, and 3 others {Equaling 4 altogether}), Server is often full but keep hammering join req anyway maybeable to get in if someone else drops/dc's
    • Next Batch of players added/re-requested for adding*
    • New Error code, Error C2-12828-1 cropping up every 10-16hrs of server uptime*, This is a unfixable issue and may result in the server crashing with out rhyme, or reason, ill restart the minecraft app/power cycle ps-vita as neccessary when i am home*
    • Vita Server #2 Photo Uploaded, Added RIP tag to Vita Server #1 {Wifi Model wifi unit died}

    Update 3/29/2015

    • The supernet2host is now active again (keep in mind i only accept friend req's based on inbox answer suggesting minecraft add, or whatever game you intend to play) Keywords i look for often, Ex: MC, Vita, PS Vita, vita, server, ps4, minecraft, Minecraft
    • To Alleviate confusion, add supernet2host, i will check every 24-72hours to mass accept friend req, keep in mind i look for the keywords i listed above
    • Supernet2 is a temporary host, expect the server to be up randomly and spuractically compared to the supernet2host variant, as this is me actually using my primary ps vita to host.
    • Server is now being refreshed every 3-7 days on supernet2 account, supernet2host will be refreshed the same amount of time. (Trophys are left enabled)
    • Rules Section Updated
    • Still Waiting on New Business FiOS network line to be installed by verizon, expect craptastic connectivity and hard times connecting until (4/?/2015 is the eta date of a engineer coming out and installing a dedicated network-line)

    Update 2/16/2015

    • The supernet2host seems to be experiencing adding/finding issues (no idea why) if your interested in joining the server add supernet2 (keep in mind i only accept friend req's based on inbox answer suggesting minecraft add, or whatever game you intend to play) Keywords i look for often, Ex: MC, Vita, PS Vita, vita, server, ps4, minecraft, Minecraft
    • Seeing as Supernet2 is a temporary host, expect the server to be up randomly and spuractically compared to the supernet2host variant, as this is me actually using my primary ps vita to host.
    • Server is now being refreshed every 3-7 days on supernet2 account, supernet2host will be refreshed the same amount of time. (Trophys are left enabled)
    • Rules section updated
    • Waiting on New Business FiOS network line to be installed by verizon, expect craptastic connectivity and hard times connecting until (3/10/2015 is the eta date of a engineer coming out and installing a dedicated network-line)

    Update 10/25/2014

    • Seems to be some confusion, add supernet2host if your interested in joining the server.
    • Supernet2 is my primary PSN account i sometimes host TEMPORARY servers.

    Update 10/22/2014

    • Only errors that exist currently are PSN drop connections this is a issue with PSN/the Wi-Fi module of the slim PS VITA, their is no fix here, not that i can think of as the wi-fi module is brand new, and its been tested on one other ps vita wifi model brand new.
    • On the flip side i see people in the server so i know its working for US players only, EU users who already have the update applied to their minecraft version CANNOT connect due to "out-dated version of minecraft" notifications (Thx harris_)
    • PS Vita server Wifi-Model is now up to date with EU. EU and US players can now join side by side on a up-to-date version, thank 4J/Sony for clearing the update!

    Update 10/21/2014with error code C2-12828-1. Crash seems related to process hang ups, my ps vita is the slim wifi model and is running 0 applications in the background, other than its base line gui and minecraft application.

    Heres the given idea, this seems like a general error code, based on sony the error code means -->
    Error code C2-12828-1: Hangs up during a game while the application is running

    Update 10/20/2014

            Updating Vitas to run separate PSN ID's to host, user host(s) will be identified as supernet2 (temporary server host) as i often use my PSN supernet2 account (master account) for all actions, sub accounts being supernet2host, supernet2host, and sarah-sahara. 24/7 Host will be supernet2host.

    Rules in BLUE will not be enforced Until a later date.

    Rules in ORANGE will/are currently being enforced

    Edited: Downloader and replaced with supernet2host account. Downloader account scrapped due to PSN Compromise back in 2012.

    Photo of vita server added. Lol only way to keep it from timing out

    --------------------------------------------------------End Updates----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    EDIT: This post is a reserve slot for expansion of rules, or commentary, or chronological order of updates as posted.

    Posted in: MCPSVITA: Servers
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    posted a message on Dear Devs, this is a server request thread

    Dear Devs, please build either one of two things, another minecraft add on to allow minecraft vita edition to allow a server mode, where it constantly keeps the vita "alive" and from timing out, and also to increase the # of users from 3-9 (aka in the ps3 edition where it allows 7 other players but with the 8th being host, but in this instance 8 players the 9th being a host or a reserved admin slot).


    Requests


    - Increase user slot accessibility in the ps vita edition user slot availability

    - Enable, build or create plugin/into core application server hosting functionality

    - Enable infinite world(s){yes i know that may seem near impossible due to memory, ram and cpu allotment requirements, but allow it to have simple generation features like the PE edition does)

    - Enable servers to actually not require a user to be logged in (ex< build out a computer side host that allows consoles ex, ps vita to have its own stand alone server to compensate for the lack of functionality, this helps build a user basis just like the pc side)


    Pros


    - Increases ps vita user basis

    - Enables large servers to host many users, thus increasing fun aspects of game

    - If not able to release for pc side hosting, at the very least it allows for multi vita owners such as myself to leave our spare vitas online and active as "host" servers to run 24/7 with out constant need to reboot, powercycle, or continuous monitoring of vitas for crash issues.

    - It allows hosts like me to allow our servers to truly run 24/7 with out need to have heavy monitoring (i think i stressed this in the prior comment)


    Cons

    - Obviously hackers if you release it on the pc to use as a host for console users (Just do what steam does with vac, but through sony, forgot the procedures but i know it can be done, might be a bit demanding tho of a task to keep up on)

    - Enabling users to exploit new means with the via through minecraft (lets face it we dont want another exploiter issue), so... yeah

    Posted in: MCPSVITA: Discussion
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    posted a message on Playstation Vita survival island seeds - Will these seeds work in PS Vita too?

    Having all 3 consoles, it goes like this, ps3 and ps vita seed generation works together meaning seed netflix works the same as seed netflix on ps3. As far as ps4 goes, it is different based on "size of map" generated.

    Posted in: MCPSVITA: Discussion
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    posted a message on whats your dream mate? no profanitys please.
    Someone who is on equal terms and matches or is superior to my own intellect, someone who is both dashing yet daring, someone who is my missing yin to my yang.



    Preferably in description a gal who also is a slim/slender athletic body build, strives to maintain what she looks like but not over kill to the extent is crazy. Has a great personality, is smart in the aspects im smart in, isn't to much similar so that we have things to talk about, is open to communication, willing to try anything, and isn't scared to have fun. Preferably a gamer, but also cares about her own career and has her thoughts in order like i, and is set on moving forward with me, and never settles for anything but the best, constantly striving to be all she can be. She has similar music tastes like myself, but also enjoys all genres of music (not very picky) but if she had to pick she'd go with my genres ranging from dance, trance, club and electronica/jpop/kor music.

    She isn't afraid of kids or to have some or not to have some. She is able to handle most if not all situations that come her way, and if not is able to reach a solution through trial and error instead of whine and do nothing to resolve situation.



    Their is no racial preference. Their is no restrictions, but also is capable of keeping their emotions incheck while also being capable of displaying emotion and not being so overly complex like most woman.

    Now shifting gears to something that will never exist: Is a neko, and is cuddly and loveable as ever while also meeting all mentioned prior in my commentary. Preferably lovey dovey but also a tease.
    Posted in: General Off Topic
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    posted a message on Survival Server(s)
    This Servers rules has been updated to Permissions Trust Player > On

    When im not using ps4 it is left on to host ps4 server for minecraft titled: Free For All or (FFA).

    The rules have been updated, but its pretty simple. You wage wars, build structures, and trade with other players, but just dont forget... a friend today can be a foe tomorrow. You never know whos gonna stab yah in the back so... make sure before introducing someone to your base your prepared for the eventual raids that will most likely hit it.

    My suggestion? Hide your stuff.

    To stop your items from being deleted from within a chest, hide the chest 50-100blocks away where the map isn't often loaded into memory, just incase that pesky chest glitch happens you wont lose anything in a chest not loaded into server memory. As For ender chests, they are unaffected by the chest wipe glitch.

    Anywho feel free to post here to add me on psn, just remember define WHAT PLATFORM you are adding me under, ps3, ps4, or ps vita, and for what your adding me for. Ex: Ps4 minecraft, ps3 minecraft, ps vita minecraft.

    Edit: Also im at war with who ever keeps hijacking and laying siege to mah farms, when i find you imah light you on fire!
    Posted in: MCPS4: Servers
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    posted a message on What do you think about the moderation of this site?
    ? Huh? nah that was just a initial opener to also enable to topic of otherswho are also having their thread shut down for similar reason or lesser reason. Altogether its more so abasis to allow people to say how they feel. Weather their afraid to do so is another reason. Most people are afraid of being banned, etc. My issue was resolved when i messaged the moderator who locked my thread.Talked to him/her and that was the end of it. But this was a separate issue related to everyone who was posting, as i find the title misleading for something. Simply put just change the title or create a new "official thread" Specifically more so to explain it is a thread for the debat, not a informative thread, which is what both the title and the body of the initial post suggests.

    Edit:

    Or as the poster before this post suggested, create a separate location strictly for microsoft related conversations, this should literally minimize the situation. I mean i know people are afraid of the massive histeria and the many fans concerns but as he/she stated, if a forum is for discussing why would you try to squander the purpose of the forums in itself? To converse.
    Posted in: Forum Discussion & Info
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    posted a message on Microsoft/Mojang Deal Confirmed.
    Quote from grnmachine»
    My biggest concern is how Mincecraft will be affected. First off, the youtubers. They're allowed to post videos on youtube and all that... so long as you dont make money from it. Which is a problem, considering there are some people that literally live off of making minecraft videos. Another thing is modding. And im paraphrasing here, but microsoft has a policy that essentially states: "You are not allowed to access the source code of any Microsoft game in order to add or alter content." AKA modding. One solution is for modders to break away from minecraft and make their modded versions their own games, as CivCraft has done already. But honestly, i dont see how microsoft will be able to keep the community alive without bending or changing their own rules.

    Thoughts?

    Wishful thinking but... this is what i ment by give it 1-2 years. If all goes well microsoft will make a exception solely for minecraft but just keep inmind once the cats outta the bag this opens up a whole new whirl wind of issues for other things microsoft works with and minecraft will be the primary basis for all the arguments inrelationship to bending/changing the rules. This wont bode well for microsoft, and it can become a major PR nightmare. We can only hope for the future to be a bright one, but i dont see that light at the end of the tunnel. And i sure as hell dont see microsoft caring long enough until the entire customer basis really starts to drop off, then they'll suddenly change to save their product, just like xbox one, just like their TOS in their xbox one, and the xbox 360, as well as their hidden not so hidden side project of merging the xbox 360 and xbox one voip into one master system to allow cross conversation, to get the one up on sony. Which quite frankly i dont see happening
    Posted in: Discussion
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    posted a message on What do you think about the moderation of this site?
    Thanks for clarification that nothings changed in moderation since being acquisitioned of mojang.


    @EmptyReflection »
    No, making a jab at humoring the idea for a refund, should of just pointed out it was or better worded it in the aspect of acquiring a refund (which again isn't going to happen)

    Otherwise not really, he/she pointed out good points, i "debated" the topic of issues relating to the problem more so at the accusation of his implying or stating otherwise that not everyone wants to talk about microsoft. Thats fine and dandy. If i wanted to not talk about microsoft and its relationship to minecraft/mojang i would have started another topic. The point is when someone tries to post up a legitimate debate/concern regarding something, and a moderator, admin or system operator otherwise decides to delete, remove, or adjust/lock up a thread and redirect many individuals (not just speaking for myself) in regards to the acquisition why does it soley half to be into a topic that is a hardcore argument happening.

    I've seen many people post legitimate well thought out, well explained debates and concerns, and only to see the topic locked in a matter of minutes. It didn't matter that if that person has or did post in the "consolidated" thread that it was basically ruled out due to the core topic solely and strictly relating to a update. The fact that it was a notification/clarification post, shouldn't be qualifying it solely as a debate thread relating to such, unless the title and original posters intended statement and title suggest such. That is what is both angering as well as questioning the integrity of the rules, or the way rules are enforced.

    Example:
    Title: To joe giggity
    Body: So whats everyone up to? Do you guys have any idea whats going on?

    <closed>

    End example.

    Okay now lets look at the title, its to someone , first off theirs a INBOX message system for that one. Second the BODY or thread doesn't match up with the original title, nor does it make sense. Lets add in that someone can make a spin off. This locking makes sense.

    But lets go with the original post and the original thread.

    BIG NEWS: Microsoft has finally bought Mojang legitimately about 37 minutes ago. (3:02 (SWEDISH TIME) PM) (9:02 (WASHINGTON, D.C, USA) AM ). Microsoft bought Mojang for a whopping amount of $ 2,500,000,000!

    MORE INFORMATION AT: https://mojang.com/2014/09/yes-were-being-bought-by-microsoft/

    NEW NEWS: MICROSOFT AIN'T GONNA MESS UP MINECRAFT YOUTUBERS AND THEIR VIDEOS. GO BACK TO WHERE YOU ARE DOING.

    NOTCH'S GOODBYE LETTER (MULTIPLE LINKS):
    http://notch.net/
    http://pastebin.com/n1qTeikM

    To Microsoft,
    Please do not mess with Minecraft.

    Satya Nadella (CEO OF MICROSOFT),

    Please update/fix Minecraft in any fastest possible way. We know you're too busy making new over-the-top
    modern computers/devices, but please have time to give Minecraft a chance, because owning a game
    studio and not changing any aspects of the games of the studio is just like buying a valuable thing without
    using it for anything, making it like an extraordinary/ordinary decor. Also do this to several other games of
    Microsoft because everyone in the world doesn't play Minecraft, they also play Cobalt and Scrolls.

    Sincerely, Mojang and Microsoft Fans

    Post Script: Since Mojang was bought by Microsoft, we need to obey our new leader, Microsoft. Microsoft can't answer all requests like this one from CaptainSparklez:
    https://twitter.com/CaptainSparklez/status/511519683237797888

    Since Microsoft is also VERY serious, I guess there will be no annual april fools joke like the MINECRAFT SECRET ALIEN UPDATE or the TESTIFICATE VIRUS OF 2014 (TV 2014).

    </End?
    End example.

    Looking at it lets think a minute. It says the title is Microsoft/Mojang Deal, so im assuming the conversation strictly relates to the news updates/discussion about what everyone things about it.

    Now lets go another direction, someone posts with another thread topic titled "Thoughts on Microsoft/Mojang Deal" and this time its reworded, and well stated that its a debate about the possible to's, what if's, and other things. Which one seems better suited as both a topic and a body (of course body being more fleshed out, as we've seen them being shut down within minutes of being posted). ?{?}

    Why is it when someone tries to start a thread with a more debateable subject and put in the outlines the terms of the debate to help steer the discussion in the right direction, is it instantaneously locked, and user is then banned (?) Their can be about 3 people whom i can talk to who i know were banned because, they again cannot post, i guess banned profiles still have inbox messaging rights(?)

    Now keep in mind i made a post of similar thought with a well defined discussion outline, and it was closed with out real reason beyond the simple it relates to microsoft, and its not expressly stated or released in a statement by microsoft so thus it cannot be posted. But again, if thats the case, why is a Topic not having users posts heavily moderated by moderators on the "stay on track" sorta guide lines if its really going multiple directions in a thread that only has one specific discussion direction ? ? This isn't just angering its idiotic. I mean, if your going to start a discussion why not well outline what your talking about and keep it in that direction, when its not kept in that direction then the forum police can take care of those who fail to stay on topic Its really that easy. Literally that easy. Thats my point.

    Edit: Now just because im vocal it doesn't mean i can break the rules, but it also doesn't mean the rules should be bent for anyone if this is the case. But im also not going to be afraid to point these things out, as well as on both parties, my end as well as others, user, moderator, admin, system op, you name it. Im not afraid to call out people where i feel they need be called out, just as your not to be afraid to call me out if you feel im being rash, and illogical in my statements. But if that is the sense, then please be sure to outline a good argument, better yet answer to why you stated such. Its not to hard, and only requires a little small fraction of paying attention, possibly caring*
    Posted in: Forum Discussion & Info
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