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Really? coloured hardened clay?

what about something people have been asking for since dyes came out?

like

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I don't know...

stained glass.

am I the only one who's tired of all the new things?

Please tell me I'm not.

I know I've seen threads like this before, but it's seriously frustrating.

Every update, since alpha, has run slower and slower. Even on my gaming desktop, Minecraft is slow as hell.

Bug fixes need to be done, not just small fixes like 1.5 had, bur serious game engine fixes and updates.

STOP adding new items, address old buggy items, address problems with the Linux version (Including bugs that are still in it, since alpha.) Address horrid FPS.

I know I'm not the only one who's been having issues with Minecraft getting slower and slower every version.

it's awful.

Minecraft used to run over 200FPS on my gaming desktop (numbers from beta 1.8)

Now, as of 1.5, my FPS has been sitting between 30 and 40.
1.4 it sat around 60-70FPS

that's a serious difference. how?

My specs:
AMD Phenom IIx4 955BE
8GB DDR3 Ram, 10666mhz
AMD Radeon HD7870 2gb 1GhZ edition.

it's definitely not a weak computer, it can run Metro maxed @30fps+

So really, what's the deal? People have been begging since the end of beta (and even before that) for Mojang to stop adding things, and fix previously released things (since they can't even release fully working features without having to put out 3 patches for each version.) and focus on FPS and bugs.

One thing Mojang seriously should consider is hiring a competent programmer, not a "game developer" but someone with a professional development background in Java, who can actually get things done properly.

Actually, another thing Mojang should do is learn to listen to their community better, and stick to their promises. (mod API, better lighting for 1.5, things like that.)

Update: after further testing, I've noticed the FPS dip into the mid 20's underground and in jungles. I've also noticed FPS dipping down to around 27 while building.

creative
fps
mod api

if I was a mod I would mute you for a day just because of how pointless of a thread this is.

However, I am not a mod. So instead I will tell you this: nobody cares

Gentlemen, prepare your tinfoil hats...

the only ones who really should be nervous are the kids who go and pirate the game, even then if there is DRM there will be a way around it.

Quote from LokiLolz

I dont know when they added this but I just hate it since when Im trying to sleep in a house and theres like a spider right outside and I cant sleep >.<. Basically I just want it removed.

would you be able to sleep if there was a giant spider bigger than a dog hissing and bashing at your window?

Quote from Krova

This might seem like an obvious question, but...

You have been updating your Java install (and making sure that you have 64-bit or 32-bit based on your OS) and keeping your video drivers up to date, right?

Of course you have... right?

yes, of course.

One topic I've noticed that's overlooked is minecraft's performance.

yes, there are lots of bugs, yes multiplayer is bugged, yes people complain about those, but I fail to notice much for complaints of performance.



I'll give you an example on my laptop.

Core 2 duo t6500 2.1ghz/2.1ghz.
4GB ddr2 335
intel series 4 family chipset.


Mineraft went from beta 1.1 (60FPS) on high detail.

beta 1.4 (40 FPS) high detail.

Beta 1.8 (3 FPS) high detail (30 FPS) low detail

minecraft full 1.0 (20 FPS) low detail.

minecraft 1.1.0 (6FPS) low detail, 12 FPS with optifine.


there's something wrong here. that laptop can play oblivion, san andreas, halo 2, CSS, and a few other games at max settings, there's no excuse for minecraft to be dropping FPS that steadily.


another example.

Desktop

AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE @3.2 ghz
Gigabyte ATI Radeon HD6850
8GB DDR3 dual channel


minecraft beta 1.8 (130 FPS) max settings

minecraft 1.0 (123 FPS) max settings

Minecraft 1.1 (110 FPS) max settings. with the occasional lag spike.

even on a machine like that, you shouldn't be seeing 10fps performance hits per update.
And hell, This desktop can play crisis on max settings with better FPS.
we should change the saying from "but can it play crysis?" to "but can it play minecraft?"

Almost everyone I know with a laptop or desktop was able to play fine with 100+ FPS in the alpha's/early Beta's with highest settings. Now most of them are getting 30 to 60FPS on lowest settings with lag spikes.
most of them stopped complaining because we knew Notch wasn't listening, maybe Jeb will look into performance tweaking, and optimisation.


well, one can hope anyways, but I doubt it.

Quote from boxanata

Ever seen a "baby kittie" lick it's junk, on the dining table, during your dinner? Disturbing...

Great for the Crab pot though.

if it's that much of an issue teach your cats to stay off of tables/counters.

Quote from DemonCrusher36

Would be tameable and be more fun then a dumb cat thats been added a thousand times to mods.
Mo creatures, very popular mod, have about 10 diffrent types of cat.. just for a example.


Can you imagine monkeys going around your house, holding bananas and going "HOO HOO HA HA".. yea that would be fun.

Now, we just got a shitty tameable pig sized mob that attacks certain passive mobs and tries to protect the player while getting in the way..
Sound familiar? yea, those are wolfs.. but now are ocelots.

Im not saying that there ruining minecraft, i just dont see why mojang even bothered adding them while theres beaming issues and much more cooler things to be added.

How many times have you seen a mod that adds cats? and if not often, how many times have you seen mo'creatures and how boring those cats are?

Im just asking if anyone else agrees with my ****ing opinion, im not one of those annoying fags who constantly complains.

Considering, as i said, that cats are way overdone and theres way more potential to a new mob, its very disapointing.

Get home from a bad day, find a new snapshot.. hoping from the hype earlier it would be something intresting and unique considering its jons first mob.. nope.

1. don't like them, don't use them

2. don't like what they add? don't play/ignore the addons.

3. I like the addon, you don't. get over it, it's here, it stays. don't use them.

4.there are who do, there are who don't. I'd also appreciate if you didn't use fag in a bad way, it makes you look like an idiot and it could be offensive to people who have an alternative sexual orientation.

5.to me your post looks like a "WAAAAAA STOP LIKING THE THINGS I DON'T LIKE" post.

6.oh waa. they will always add other things. get over it. there where additions I don't like, but I didn't ***** and moan, it's THEIR game. don't forget that.

Updated OP: 9/3/12 (Modified OP explanations, thanks to getpoopedonkid // Fixed Poll)
Updated OP: 3/8/12 (Fixed Poll)

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NOTICE (As of Snapshot 12w01a):



This is an screenshot of the beach gen that was re-added in Snapshot 12w01a. Please note that this is not representative of the new beaches in general, but instead an example of what the new generation can create!

Jeb appears to have simply changed the blocks which form the transition between land and the ocean biome from dirt to sand. This forms ugly clumps of sand hardly resembling beaches on hilly terrain. This DOES NOT resemble actual beaches or beaches as they once were in Beta 1.7.3! Or reality for that matter.

What should be done to correct this:

• Simply limit the max height of sand that can generate to two to three blocks above sea level, which would be identical to beach generation prior to Beta 1.8. With beaches essentially being their own biome, such a change should feasibly be easy since it shouldn't conflict with other biomes. If you believe otherwise, please state so and why!

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OP:

With the inclusion of the new terrain generation in recent releases, I've read about many major topics and comments having to do with terrible biome transitions involving the swamp biome and the such. However I have not seen any real topics concerning the exclusion of beaches and the issues concerning underwater bedding. So here is the point of this topic:

Summary:

1.) Beaches was a widely-liked feature of the previous terrain generator and it needs to be restored.

This should be simple enough. Just add back beaches into the terrain generator. Also gravel beaches should be returned as well. More on that later in the topic.

2.) Although a less important issue, underwater bedding, lacks the uniformity and overall realism that it used to have. Currently, lakes and oceans are covered in splotchy patches of dirt, sand, and clay.

The main argument against the current underwater bedding generation is that allows for easy access to large amounts of clay, and that clay was supposedly more rare in the previous generator. However, it was abundant, since the x=z clay generator bug that previously plagued the game was patched in 1.7.

However, to further address this issue, clay density and frequency can be increased to satisfy those who believe that more clay truly is necessary.[/indent]

The poor state of these aspects of the terrain generator has proven to be both an annoyance and an eyesore to me and the community as well. Beach gen prior to 1.8 paralleled realistic beaches and was more aesthetically pleasing in general. To further elaborate what I mean:

Beaches, prior 1.8

"Beaches" (along lakeside), 1.8 and later

Beaches, real life

As you can see, beaches do not actually generate in 1.8 and later, the "beaches" you see are actually not beaches at all; they are simply the outcroppings of the underwater sand bedding crossing onto the shore. This brings me to the next point: underwater bedding.

Underwater bedding (same pic as before, view the underwater portion), prior 1.8

Underwater bedding, 1.8 and later

Underwater bedding, comparison with 1.8 vs. 1.7, and real life (Borrowed from Dragonid's Terrain Generation Changes Remaining)

As you can see, in 1.8 and later, underwater bedding consists of ugly patches of circular splotches, whether it be in a lake or an ocean. Previously, it was both aesthetically appealing and realistic. Clay would still be fairly abundant if the patch from 1.7 were also incorporated into clay generation. If that is not enough, we can simply have clay generated in the same manner as depicted in the picture below in higher frequencies or larger quantities:

Lastly, gravel beaches should be added back. It was a realistic feature of the old terrain generator and also broke up the monotony with the constant sand beaches. It is not a necessary feature to be re-added, though it would be nice.

Gravel Beaches, 1.7 and before

Gravel Beaches, real life

To reiterate:

1.) Beaches was a widely-liked feature of the previous terrain generator and so, needs to be fixed.

2.) Although a less important issue, underwater bedding, lacks the uniformity and overall realism that it used to have. Currently, lakes and oceans are covered in splotchy patches of dirt, sand, and clay.

With this said and done, I ask that these issues be addressed as soon as it is possible. If you can, please twitter or e-mail Jeb. This is technically not meant to be a petition or anything like the very popular Dear Mojang: The Swamps are Still Ugly topic, just a reminder to show that these issues must be addressed. However, you can show your support by twittering Jeb (+ link to here) or just acknowledging it here.

Tweet Jeb at: https://twitter.com/#!/jeb_

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Get Satisfaction Topic: http://www.getsatisf..._gravel_beaches

Also check out Dragonid's Terrain Generation Changes Remaining topic for an in-depth look at issues concerning current terrain generation!

Try out a mod that adds beach generation back into the game! http://www.minecraft...0-biome-mod-v1/

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I wish the OP of a thread was able to lock/unlock their own threads. So when an update releases they can lock it to prevent stupid "update now!" posts and unlock when they have the update out.

The Lapis Flower. Since lapis is a dye, you can die any type of flower, or with lapis above it. Then you place it on farmland, and it spreads by 1 onto adjacent farmland, and it drops 1 lapis.

I reckon they should alow Clocks and Maps to be place on walls like we do in real life. That way they dont waste room in your iventory, they look cool and more realistic on the wall and they will be more BIGGER! Plus Clocks are very hard to make, and it would suck to just lose them during an intense battle.

Don't like mushroom biomes?

Don't go to mushroom biomes.

I wouldn't mind "purely aesthetic" mobs. Rabbits that hop away frantically when you get near, snakes that wriggle around, birds that fly around in the air, deer... perhaps a rather powerful plains mob, a bison that can do a lot of charge damage but turns slowly... They could just drop a bone upon being killed, or maybe a %20 chance of obtaining some generic meat called "game."

That, along with a better sound engine that provides ambient sounds (something I think that's long overdue), leaves and grass that slowly blows in the wind, little details like that would help give the game more life.

I'd even be in favor of letting each mob have several different skins to choose from, like some mods that are already out there. Purely aesthetic.

That's because of Java.

Out of all the things i loved about the latest snapshot, my favorite thing was the lava popping sounds.

That is exactly what minecraft needs, more environment sounds, a game as immerse and free as this, it would be amazing with more sounds of water/nature, and other things such as that.

Keep up the great work Jeb/Jon

Minecraft still feels like minecraft... most of the things you suggested make me think you need to go play Terraria.

The only change that has a major impact on the feel of the game is the hunger system. so basically you don't like having to eat to keep your strength up so the game isn't the same. Combat changed to but most of it doesn't impact you directly, you can still use your sword on mobs, but get an added bonus for jumping or sprinting. Bows are much MUCH better now that you can charge them for more power. If you don't like that you cannot spam them anymore well that's tough.

Adding the aether to the game would not make it feel more minecraft. The aether wasn't done very well and basically makes anything but the aether useless once you get there. There is no reason to go back to the over world, all tools are better then anything you can get down below. The nether doesn't make the over world useless but it does do exactly what it intended. It adds the ability for quick travel, sure there should be a little more nether content though. The fortresses and new mobs were a step in the right direction but there should be a little more danger. Some ore that's worth finding other then glow stone and we need a way to forge nether brick and craft nether brick half slabs


Jeb does need to spend some time on a few of the games features are not finished.

The mapping feature doesn't have the ability to choose map scale nor the ability to duplicate maps. We also need a way to mark locations on the maps.

A boat with storage capacity would be nice

Powered minecarts need the ability to link carts into trains and control the speed and direction while sitting in it. These should have the potential to travel faster then just powered rails over large distances.

Books need the ability to write in them, and perhaps a bulletin board for when signs are to limited.

Trap doors need the ability to place top and bottom as well as an added iron version.