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Of course the person with more gear should have an advantage. The problem is, this advantage is huge in minecraft. If Minecraft had a good combat system, I would expect a skilled player with a wooden sword to be able to defeat a newbie with an iron sword, or possibly diamond. However, because Minecraft combat requires very little skill, a skilled player with a wooden sword will most likely lose to the newbie with the iron/diamond sword (barring odd circumstances, such as the newbie being killed by a mob, being afk while attacked, lag, etc)

Actually, I've beaten "more powerful" enemies using strategy.

Except PvP, in fact, doesn't take a lot of skill. The most skill-demanding part of Minecraft PvP (and combat in general, in fact, although I suppose one could argue that knowing what the enemy mob will do could take slightly more skill) is aiming. A rudimentary aspect that should be a given in a combat system like this is the most skill-demanding thing in the entire system. I find a hard time believing that a combat system where aiming is the most skill-demanding part of the system is a good combat system. (I suppose one could argue dodging to be more skill-demanding, but it rarely plays a part since you attack infinitely fast in melee which therefore means you only need mediocre aiming skills to counter it, and at a range you're slowed to a crawl if you attempt to shoot which is a good opportunity to get an arrow to the face, though it does play more of a part there if you're not actively fighting back)

It seems as if when you played PVP, no one used strategy. If people use strategy, it gets fun, I promise!

Except it's not good. Regardless, saying that a bad feature is acceptable if the game is focused around it is pretty similar to taking a new class in school just so you can fail it. Why bother? Either make it good or remove it from the game, don't waste time with a half-assed effort.

Fact: This aspect of a game is bad. I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way, and lots of people actually quite like PVP. While it may not be as professional as you would like, It still satisfies lots of the minecraft community. And because you hate it with a passion, do something else. Go play a combat-based game for combat!

I wouldn't mind as much if PvP was just good or even OK. The problem is, it sucks (and so does PvE, just slightly less so) and it's been that way since the current combat system was implemented (beyond the ranged combat improvement in 1.8 which was a huge improvement, which by the way is saying next to nothing).

Opinions, Opinions.

1) Disliking one bad aspect of the game does not automatically mean the game is not for you.
I mean the PVP is not for you, for what you are asking for I'd play a combat based game.
2) I never said anything about a ton of weapon types. Just look at games that have good/decent combat elements: Skyrim has only six or so general modes of combat (sword and broad, two-handed/sword without broad, dual-wielding, archery, spellsword, spellcasting) but it has good enough variety and requires some strategy. It's not overly complex, either.
So, minecraft should use skyrim's combat system?
All Minecraft needs is a combat system that has SOME strategy involved; some degree of reliance upon gear is good as long as you don't go overboard like Minecraft as-is does. No need for a huge amount of weapon types that do next to nothing.

If you have more gear then your opponent and they lose, it's the opponent's fault for not getting proper weapons.

All of which does not actually make up the PvP aspect. I don't care about the preparation beforehand, I care about the actual fight. If the fight is good and requires strategy, it's good with me. The problem with Minecraft is that combat does not have any strategy to it (yes I am a broken record how did you know).

In my mind, it's one of the scariest parts, your opponent can attack you while you get your armor ready if he/she got ready first.

What strategy? Strategy in Minecraft only exists when you have two separate armies that are going to fight eachother, and you can thus create a more effective formation and whatnot that is done in real warfare. But then, the actual fight is the same; it's just that there's more strategy on a larger scale. This doesn't mean fighting itself requires any strategy (which you appear to claim the game has and never actually mention what the strategy is).
You act as if I'm here to tell you THE strategy to help you with your PvP needs. You make a strategy to counter the enemy based on situation.
What timing? Melee attacks infinitely fast, so there's no point in timing. Ranged combat I suppose requires a small degree of timing, but it's rudimentary; you just have to time your shots so that you hit them when the bow is fully charged (or spam the right mouse button if they're really close and you don't want to switch to a sword).

Timing as in knowing WHEN to attack. If the enemy has recently taken damage, opportunity. If the enemy has full health and has recently drank boatloads of potions, I'd wait until a better time unless I can counter the potions.

Yes, every other game does involve clicking in its combat, and that's pretty much a given. Minecraft's combat system practically ONLY uses the mouse, though; in a melee fight you'll mostly be using M1 and M2, at times WASD, and maybe one of the number keys/the scroll wheel to switch to your bow or a potion. That's it. Same thing in ranged, just with more M2 and no M1 (unless one of them gets close to you and you decide it would be a bloody good idea to smack them with a bow rather than something useful, like a sword or spamming arrows rather than charging up a shot).

The mouse is very versatile, it makes no sense to have tons of attack buttons and combo moves. Maybe one reason people like minecraft PVP is it's not overcomplicated, and adjustable to any map or location.

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Yup.

A good combat system. As I said before, why would the developers settle for an awful combat system? At least ranged combat got improved in 1.8 but melee combat is still abysmal, and probably got worse to boot.

More opinions?

Actually, you DO need a lot of skill at swordfighting IRL, and in fact swords are one of the most difficult weapons to use. IIRC, in warfare other weapons (such as spears) were generally preferred over swords since it took much less time to train an unskilled person to be an expert spearman compared to an expert swordman (IIRC, it took roughly 10 weeks to get an expert spearman? It's more like several years to get an expert swordsman.)
Notice how I said in my post it doesn't take as much skill AS in reality, not IN reality. Just pointing that out.


1) That sort of balance would be bad as well. Gear still needs to play a role, it's just that strategy and skill also need to play a role.
2) Nobody ever said it should be "ultra-pro uber skill based combat". It just needs to require some skill. It doesn't need to be an excellent combat system (though why not?), it just needs to require skill so that a skilled person with a wooden sword could conceivably kill an unskilled person with an iron sword and leather armor.
Which they can.. having good equipment doesn't mean you won.
3) Combat is essential to survival. Without combat, the only difficulties would be peaceful and easy, and the only difference would be a constant health regen in peaceful. Although survival needs more (difficult) mobs so that combat can play more of a role, it is by no means a sub-feature. (PvP is. Combat is not.)
You can avoid combat with a bed, and if on multiplayer not hiding in an arena.

I respect that you don't want to start an argument. In turn, i'll state where I think you are wrong and leave it at that.

(Reasoning being, it appears that Spider intends for his stuff to be incorporated into someone else's argument; i'm stating a counterargument.)
Do not continue this for long please. "PVP sucks" is an opinion.

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