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    posted a message on 1.16.4 [SURVIVAL + CUSTOM SHIZ] - LLR >> SMP ((lol yadda yadda something else...🤣))

    Oh darn. You should either make it support bedrock or make a bedrock server too!



    You know what? I've put a lot of thought into this, and we will be attempting to make the server bedrock compatible as well as making a new magic+skyblock server with bedrock players specifically in mind!

    You can technically test this out now! But the main server isnt geared to it so you may run into some gameplay issues.

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    posted a message on 1.16.4 [SURVIVAL + CUSTOM SHIZ] - LLR >> SMP ((lol yadda yadda something else...🤣))

    This looks so cool! Can I join on bedrock?




    Thank you!
    And sorry to say no, only java 1.14.4 -1 1.16.4
    Hope you can make it on!

    Also sorry for the delayed response.
    Some knob had restricted my posting ability

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    posted a message on 1.16.4 [SURVIVAL + CUSTOM SHIZ] - LLR >> SMP ((lol yadda yadda something else...🤣))

    Sorry for the days of downtime guys! Was due to host transfer! Server is back up!

    And we now support 1.16.4 clients!

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    posted a message on 1.16.4 [SURVIVAL + CUSTOM SHIZ] - LLR >> SMP ((lol yadda yadda something else...🤣))

    Hey thanks! Glad you have been enjoying the stuff! Make sure to vote on what you want to have the new dice effect! idk why my post got deleted... this friggen place man.

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    posted a message on 1.16.4 [SURVIVAL + CUSTOM SHIZ] - LLR >> SMP ((lol yadda yadda something else...🤣))

    Welcome to Lost Lands Redux RPG Survival Server!
    Website https://llredux.xyz/

    Server IP : Play.LLRedux.Xyz (JAVA 1.16.4)

    A Survival server turned RPG! Build wherever, be a hero!

    Custom Mobs - A Growing list of new custom creatures that have powerful abilities and drop powerful magic items.

    Over 100 Magic Items - With crazy game-changing powers!

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    Quests - Characters around the world have all kinds of quests to give! Your Town can play a part and get it's own quests!

    Dungeons - With crazy Boss Fights and Sick Loot!

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    Cute, Collectable, Helpful Companions! (over 40!)
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    If You want to be a part of a growing lore and community, or just play normal survival out in the wilderness, this server is for you!

    PLAY AT : Play.LLRedux.Xyz (JAVA 1.16.4)

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    posted a message on 🙄Fix the Server Lists forums 🙄 You dont even need to add full server lists back 🙄 just fix your rules and moderating

    Definitely should rewrite your rules for the Server-Lists Section of "multiplayer"

    In those threads, you see owners forcing their users to make accounts here to post for whitelisting or in game loot.

    Many of the most successful threads use a scammy technique they label "Greylisting" where they promise in game items for posting a good review or just a bump with a username. I've been told this was against the rules by a mod, but the most successful servers are all using this or some variation of this scam. Its an unmoderated wasteland out there.

    This practice is Low Effort, Scummy, Potentially Tos Breaking, but MinecraftForums.net appears to encourages this practice over actual servers trying to grow with content updates... Just my experience.


    McForums - Your "Server Lists" are full of whichever owner exploits the most off their users - forcing them to come bring your site "traffic". They aren't having real conversations by filling out a form responding to the question "what do you like about the server" to get in game items.... It's not users already on the site posting asking for whitelist, its off-platform people being FORCED to come make dead accounts(Check these accounts join dates vs when they post, they are being paid in game items to come here)....

    All of this has been documented with screenshots, but you don't need me to show you - you can go look at half of the successful posts there, they are all full of spammy garbage.

    Its a true shame because a forums based website can offer a totally different approach to how servers earn visibility, but instead this environment is somehow even more toxic and worse than server lists where the big servers can just pay for it. (Because the rules and moderation are terrible)

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    posted a message on 🌍 Lost Lands Redux ✨ [SMP ++ MMORPG]✨((Need A Few Types Of Help)) 🎁🎄

    Awesome! Sorry it took a bit to get back to this, i love tf2! Come by on the server and run the /discord command to get a link to our discord where you can find staff to talk to right away about the application!

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    posted a message on 🌍 Lost Lands Redux ✨ [SMP ++ MMORPG]✨((Need A Few Types Of Help)) 🎁🎄
    This is an old post but we still are always looking for staff!
    (For any role above helper, experience is now required!)
    Particularly for Builders, who we need only few, show us what u got!
    Posted in: Server Recruitment
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    posted a message on Community input into the idea of a resurrected server list

    Yeah, I do agree. My previous post wasn't necessarily to disagree with you, but rather to show the other side so people can grasp some the other side(s) arguments.

    Maybe have something like this as a formula for hot servers:

    = ( [votes of the previous day] / [player previous day peak average + 1] ) / ( .985 * [votes of the previous previous day] / [player previous previous day peak average + 1])




    Definitely didn't come into this thread expecting to get so heated either, haha! Been owning / deving for servers on and off for years with one I think is kinda decent now so i got a lot of opinions on the matter XD

    And yeah, that would be that starting point of the formula, if you want to try and rectify a votes vs player number system, that is... which i'm still not sure can work... (I promise ya, hackers join servers attempting to crash them with 100s of alts pretty regularly, most growing servers have to have defenses against that type of attack, and owners can use the same exact methods to boost their own servers to hundreds of players, CHEAPLY) Other metrics can be added too if you WANT there to be a system where each individual user that comments on a server boosts that server on the lists some too.

    The system does still need the weights for larger servers, as a small change in votes for a small server is a MASSIVE change in percentage, when large servers doing something new that incurs a noticeable change in activity percentage (which may be hundreds of players difference vs a small server's 3 player difference) is likely MORE impressive, and deserves more rewarding.

    Also I think 1 day is too short a TimeFrame to compare... server owners would try and game the system by having specific days where they put a bunch of bots / Tell / pay people to vote (By rewarding 2-3x as much on those days or whatever) At the same time a week/month could definitely be too long, things happen fast for small servers... A proper formula would probably take into account daily, weekly, and monthly comparisons.

    If MCF is lookin for someone to develop a fair formula who has proficiency programming several languages AND knowledge of the mc server space, HMU lol.


    Whatever MCF decide, the inter-workings of the "popular/hot/growing" system, if you decide to add one, should probably be kept secret or the scum will abuse it.

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    posted a message on Community input into the idea of a resurrected server list
    Quote from webrosc»

    or no votes and have the list sort by something like name (though that would have server owners calling themselves silly things to just be at the top, looks at all the discord names with ! so they show first)


    or just a standard list, and then random bunch(5) of servers are auto picked each week to get a special listing above all others, a server can't be picked again for say 3 weeks, that way anyone can be visible to all no matter the size or age of the server






    Yeah server owners do frigging SHADY things. They do things like purposefully seek out thriving discords, to only fill them with bots that spam hundreds of your users their discord/server ip... Its happened to me, more than once. If a system can be abused, they WILL abuse it...

    But giving small servers a chance with the big servers "Randomly" only does a disservice to the smaller servers who are "good" and doing new and exciting things (or doing old things well)... You'll be mixing those cool but small servers with the low-effort servers like the 1000th new skyblock server made with apex's autoconfig system, (that never has any players because its no different from other skyblocks)... I guarantee you'll have constant dead/empty servers filling those slots as soon as weeks after the new server list is implemented, when they would better go to growing servers whos staff and community put in the daily effort and deserve to grow...

    If you used a "hot" system that takes into account what i described (the number of votes/reveiws/page hits or whatever mix of metrics you want to use, VS the number of those metrics they had a days - a week ago, representing a direct growth in both participation and excitement about that server percentage wise) then it would give servers a fighting chance to prove themselves....

    if you do go the "Random" route there needs to be more scrutiny than truly random... maybe "random from the hot/growing list" or "2 random servers from each tier of player/vote amounts" to give an even spread of server sizes & types.... just know whatever system you try and use people will be trying to game/abuse it immediately... its surprisingly viciously competitive out there.

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    posted a message on Community input into the idea of a resurrected server list
    Quote from webrosc»

    The big issue with votes imo is a big server will get more votes and a small server trying to start out and be seen will have only a few if any and thus the old problem of big servers are on top, small ones hidden away at the bottom.


    One possible way could be to have different tables of servers that vary on the player count, though not sure how that would be verified (there will be server owners who lie to get top of a list)


    or a new and upcoming list that allows the new servers to be visible along side the big ones.




    Absolutely agree, big servers run the show. Even on the forums here which aren't vote-centric; Big servers get away with doing constant bumps that would be removed for being a "pointless bump" from any smaller server/thread, because their posts are just so flooded with garbage like telling their staff/players to constantly post their applications/reviews there. Pages and pages of player applications (sometimes from the same several ppl strangely enough) and the owner/runner of the thread (and other presumably staff members) replying "thanks!" then later "application accepted/regected" then later "bump!" (all responding to the same post) No one in their right mind would have any interest in reading this trash, including moderators... once you're big enough your page just gets ignored by mods it seems.

    That's another reason why a review system doesn't work... its even harder to keep honest than votes, where u can justify some more structure without coming across as "insulting muh free speech" or moderating with so much bias.

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    posted a message on Community input into the idea of a resurrected server list
    Quote from undefined »

    It isn't an essay mate, and if players do spam letters they could be auto-banned from the system. If it is good feedback, the server will slightly improve over time.

    You may not think of this but, voting rewards are paying for votes, just in a different way [In game]. So what makes a server different than a website?





    It would take a series of advanced AI to automatically detect if something is truly a review and not "spam" If its not "AAAAAAAAAAAA" Its just some other random text like "Voting, just give me my vote lololol, haha this cant be detected as spam or a poor review without a massive army of MCFORUMS ppl trollololo"

    And ban a user from voting entirely cause they didnt want to take the time to write out something every time? why?...
    Other forums/server lists already allow for users to post comments on servers, and users only rarely do, because its tedious and pointless to them... and if you think you have problems incentivizing votes now, imaging trying to convince players to write that every day.... Your idea would just require servers to incentivize voting EVEN MORE to make it worth it to those players willing to play in that new weird system, going against a main reason of yours for its existing....

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    posted a message on Community input into the idea of a resurrected server list

    Some players do indeed vote for bad servers, such as it is their friend's server or someone they know. It wouldn't be the largest problem unless the person hosting the server is college+ where they have met more people in their life span.






    This is such a small deal issue... heck staff can vote for their own server, whats the problem in that? Ive seen owners who try and require that (i don't cause I'm not so desperate/greedy, but im not gonna recommend tearing down the whole system to stop it, with no real idea for a replacement)... What really matters is OVERALL you have a lot of players voting... and the PERCENTAGE of them voting compared to other servers... which again, is under the servers control to properly incentivize it...

    You think college aged and up ask their friends to vote on a mc sever they dont like every single day? And that their servers do better because they "have met more people" ?? Lol those ppl are at college or working all the time... they aren't gonna take time out of their busy week to remember to vote every day on a "bad" server... at least not for any real bit of time... This is getting wild...

    If cosmetics are so useless, give them a use... I programmed custom plugin to make pets (normally just cosmetic) give effects and have skills.... this is all just coming across as a bunch of excuses..

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    posted a message on Community input into the idea of a resurrected server list

    You see the problem, don't you? Servers rewarding players for voting no matter how good or bad the server. Even rating systems are bad for servers too while voting because they never get the right answer. I know this may sound tedious, but maybe they should have to write in why they like the server every time they vote and it gives feedback to the server owner so they can improve or know what they are doing right. The server owner could have things on their server as prompts already in the text field [ie what their server is about] but the voter must write at least 25-50 characters to vote.





    Players wont blindly vote on a bad server, just like they wont play on one...
    With so many options out there, players don't stick around and keep voting for no good reason.... what reality are you constructing?

    Sure some servers have advertising/budget issues and don't have the number of players they deserve compared to how "Good" they are, but that's not because of voting as a metric.... its cause of how competitive server hosting can be... you have to put just as much effort if not more into getting visibility as "being a good server".

    Being required to write an essay on why you like a server is ridiculous... whos gonna be monitoring those 25 characters so that they aren't all "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..." or some other nonsense? MCForums? That's a ludicrous amount of moderating you'd be demanding of them. (Every single player vote, every single day (You cant just have that happen once either, or else votes are meaningless and don't represent the ACTIVE players and most people aren't looking for a dead server))

    Vote systems aren't always perfect, but the worst things about vote systems is when sites let servers pay for votes or offer no method for new or growing/improving servers to get visibility..... hence again.... my idea for a "Hot/Growing" tab.

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    posted a message on Community input into the idea of a resurrected server list

    I mean heck, even if your server is some sort of communism-craft, and you don't want ANY player to have ANY type of advantage despite them showing support for your sever, even simple cosmetic/discord ones...

    You can have a system where TOTAL votes of all players reward EVERYONE equally.... you gotta figure out your own system dude.

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