That is quite true. The question I have is why is this forum declining? Is there a clean cut decision that is responsible or is it just some sort of thing that comes with an aging forum?
A number of things including but not limited to the forum changing ownership multiple times, MC getting less popular, people unable to login to their old acc, broken links, mass deletion of threads but in my opinion, it's the decline of the forum format. How many forums are still active in this day and age. I guess people don't like digging through threads and sections to find the newest and most relevant content.
Even if there was a technical method of mass-restoring posts, the original authors of the various posts would still need to accept the GDPR acknowledgement before the posts would be restored. Maybe some of the information is cached by the Internet Archive and is still available to people who specifically search for it.
The problem with that is that you would have to have the link of the deleted post to access the archived page lol. A lot of old mods are already extremely obscure that require a lot of digging to find; finding the forum thread would be even harder.
That is not really how it works. Posts are removed if they break our rules, so there is no way a "filter" could handle every way rules can be broken. We don't just remove profanity, spam, and evil links.
That's a good point. you guys probably remove off topic posts as well which would be really hard to identify. I suppose my idea was to just restore as many posts as you can in 1 swoop without causing major disruption.
1... They would have to be made moderators and trained up... as you say how can we find enough trustworthy people to assist
2... All of the accounts removed were fully purged on the profile side and assigned a random name so there is no personal information on there accounts even if they do come back and agree to GDPR.
This still doesn't fix the whole point we have been saying that there is NO indicator staff wise whether a post was deleted by the move, or was deleted for another reason... lets look at an old member who vanished who was assisting alot in support, he had 25k posts, if this member were to return and accept the transfer someone would need to look at ALL of the posts one by one and decide if the post was removed due to GDPR or another reason..... not a job i would want to do even if i was being paid to do it (i am not paid)
do moderators only remove posts with profanity, spam and malicious links? Perhaps filter out certain posts with specific keywords?
How would you make sure that:
1) These volunteers can see the content of all the posts that they are supposed to check and
2) make sure that they can not see any personal information possibly in these hidden posts or make sure that they can be trusted with keeping any personal information they may come across confidential.
In other words, how do you get 100 trustworthy volunteers?
We know when a post was created on the frontend, however the deletion date is set to the date that the post was also made. From a "can we do it" standpoint, "yes", but I've not looked at legacy posts either which could have been moderator deleted, but would have your name on it. I also don't have database access, so I have no idea what behind the scenes it has.
I certainly would have preferred a way to revert it, make no mistake, it's just that the only solution at the time we saw was that we have to manually restore each post, which.... is a very demanding task, and so we didn't want to do it.
I'll dig more into it, since your comment did give me an idea, but it completely depends on if legacy posts (posts created before the switch to Cobalt) would work correctly with it.
EDIT: Also have to take the Cloudflare throttle into account.... you can lock yourself out for a brief time if you go too fast.
EDIT 2: I did find indications from 2011 threads, so *maybe* possible. Naturally, the forum has changed software a few times, so.... it'd be a huge experiment.
EDIT 3: The issue is that yes, posts made prior to 2015 do not store the information which would let us recover them without running a risk that the post was deleted by a moderator. I still have not determined if the same logic will work with posts made after that.
What if you guys got 100 volunteers tasked with undeleting posts that don't appear to be violating ToS, or spam.
You could probably finish this project in a year or so
I agree. They should have used the forum messaging system and banners to communicate this major change, in addition to emails. Even though I was/am a forum staff member, I wasn't even aware that a GDPR-related purge was going to occur until after it had happened.
From what I know, the problem is the Curse developers coded a method to mass-temp-delete GDPR non-compliant accounts and hide their posts/threads, however they didn't bother to mark the posts so as to differentiate between GDPR-deleted posts and other deleted posts, nor did they provide any way to mass-undelete GDPR-deleted posts. We technically have the ability to restore peoples posts and threads if they do the GDPR acknowledgement, however we would have to undelete their posts practically one at a time, and would have to guess as to whether each post was deleted for GDPR reasons or non-GDPR reasons. This issue is likely not limited to just this forum -- it is probably an issue with all of the Curse (or former Curse) forums.
Well that's tragic. Years of minecraft history just lost because someone didn't have the foresight to create a system that could be reversible.
Do you think the posts could be restored one day or is it just gone forever because it's just too much work.
I think this is an advantage Reddit has over this forum. On a subreddit, all posts are consolidated into hot/new/rising. It's much easier to discover new content as opposed to sifting through every section for new posts on the forums
Yes I understand that curse had to comply with GDPR laws but I just feel that this entire fiasco was just overzealous and sloppy with very little planning/thought put into it.
There was definitely a better way to conduct this other than nuking every post after emailing the users while knowing that many of these accounts were made almost 10 years ago and many no longer be active/monitored. According to the announcement thread, you can't even restore your own posts if you somehow missed the email despite giving consent.
They could've maybe temporarily deleted their account while keeping the posts intact or look at what other sites do to comply with these laws. I'm sure Reddit didn't delete a third of all its posts.
But hey, gotta comply with your legal obligations right
Forums aren't that popular nowadays with the popularity of reddit but I find it really hard to believe that the forums have ended up in such a pathetic state despite Minecraft being one of the most popular games of all time. Surely the forums could've capitalized on Minecraft's recent resurgence? Nope. Instead, the community just rots even more and as an insult to injury, citricsquid decides to nuke 30% of all posts in the forum and announces that they're shutting down a few weeks later. What a surprise. This is simply the result of bad management.
According to a mod developer, some people external to the forum have made full backups of the site. It's unclear when the backups were made, and if/when they will be made public. But there is at least some hope that the history will be preserved where the official source has failed.
do you know who made these backups? Is there any news on whether or not they are planning to make these backups public?
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Thank you The_barinade, very cool!
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A number of things including but not limited to the forum changing ownership multiple times, MC getting less popular, people unable to login to their old acc, broken links, mass deletion of threads but in my opinion, it's the decline of the forum format. How many forums are still active in this day and age. I guess people don't like digging through threads and sections to find the newest and most relevant content.
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Kind of offtopic but out of curiosity, did you delete this thread or was it something with GDPR?
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/survival-mode/2545948-does-anybody-else-come-close-to-this-level-of
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The problem with that is that you would have to have the link of the deleted post to access the archived page lol. A lot of old mods are already extremely obscure that require a lot of digging to find; finding the forum thread would be even harder.
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That's a good point. you guys probably remove off topic posts as well which would be really hard to identify. I suppose my idea was to just restore as many posts as you can in 1 swoop without causing major disruption.
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do moderators only remove posts with profanity, spam and malicious links? Perhaps filter out certain posts with specific keywords?
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What if you guys got 100 volunteers tasked with undeleting posts that don't appear to be violating ToS, or spam.
You could probably finish this project in a year or so
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Well that's tragic. Years of minecraft history just lost because someone didn't have the foresight to create a system that could be reversible.
Do you think the posts could be restored one day or is it just gone forever because it's just too much work.
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I think this is an advantage Reddit has over this forum. On a subreddit, all posts are consolidated into hot/new/rising. It's much easier to discover new content as opposed to sifting through every section for new posts on the forums
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Yes I understand that curse had to comply with GDPR laws but I just feel that this entire fiasco was just overzealous and sloppy with very little planning/thought put into it.
There was definitely a better way to conduct this other than nuking every post after emailing the users while knowing that many of these accounts were made almost 10 years ago and many no longer be active/monitored. According to the announcement thread, you can't even restore your own posts if you somehow missed the email despite giving consent.
They could've maybe temporarily deleted their account while keeping the posts intact or look at what other sites do to comply with these laws. I'm sure Reddit didn't delete a third of all its posts.
But hey, gotta comply with your legal obligations right
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Wow this is better than default
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Forums aren't that popular nowadays with the popularity of reddit but I find it really hard to believe that the forums have ended up in such a pathetic state despite Minecraft being one of the most popular games of all time. Surely the forums could've capitalized on Minecraft's recent resurgence? Nope. Instead, the community just rots even more and as an insult to injury, citricsquid decides to nuke 30% of all posts in the forum and announces that they're shutting down a few weeks later. What a surprise. This is simply the result of bad management.
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do you know who made these backups? Is there any news on whether or not they are planning to make these backups public?
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