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    posted a message on [Collection] Mithey's Maps ~ Terra Restore and More!

    Hey, Mithey! I know you're on sabbatical right now, but you should point us to another location where we can get info on your maps. Minecraft forums will be archived in under a month, and I'd like to have a place where I could check for updates every now and again. I do hope you see this in time to respond.

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    posted a message on [Collection] Mithey's Maps ~ Terra Restore and More!

    Thanks for the response, Mithey! Looking at the two options, the decision is ultimately on you, and I can tell you're divided between the satisfaction of finishing an old project or having fun starting a new one. If you finished Terra Restore 2, you could put it to rest and not have to worry about it again. I'd also like to see that lovely map finished, but if you'd have more motivation to carry through the smaller map to the end, then it could also be a good way for you to get back into the "groove". Picking up an old project again can be hard.

    Also, I noticed you estimated 5 years to finish Terra Restore Reborn. That's a downright scary amount of time! That's about one-sixteenth of your expected lifespan! It's maybe a little bit too much time to spend, and who knows where the mapping scene's going to be, if it's anywhere at all, in 5 years! If that's your honest estimate, then I'd definitely suggest scrapping Terra Restore Reborn.

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    posted a message on [Collection] Mithey's Maps ~ Terra Restore and More!

    Hey Mithey. I just read your post, and this is the first I've heard of Hytale! Just taking a brief glimpse at it, it does look really interesting - but I agree that you should withhold judgement until you've gotten a chance to play with it, and critics have had a chance to do the same! Just remember games like Cube World, which were abandoned by the developers, and of course, the ill-fated No Man's Sky... Caution pays in today's market.

    You mentioned that you can often have trouble making quick decisions. While your mapmaking process has made some absolutely incredible maps, such as the original Terra Restore that got me hooked, your devotion hasn't seemed to make quite the same product in your later releases. Terra Restore 2 was fantastic, but seemed to have such an absurd devotion to perfection I could totally understand why developing it would be extremely taxing... and then there was Chunk Restore, and Terra Restore reborn, and for a little while I was legitimately concerned that you would be stuck eternally trying new projects but never getting far enough along to make a proper finish. And then you disappeared for a year, and I was saddened by your absence but ready to move on... but of course, your maps are so amazing, they inspired the kind of absurd devotion that kept me and I'm sure some of the other posters here checking back to this thread, even a year after your last post!

    Minecraft is still incredibly popular, but the mapping scene isn't quite the same as it was once was. There's still adventure maps around, but the minecraft forums has increasingly become a worse, now almost hostile, site to host them on, with the recent purge of many old topics and posts. Moving on to something new, both in terms of a new game and a new engine, as well as a new concept, might be the best way for you to move forward. If you can't recapture the magic of the first Terra Restore, you shouldn't waste forever trying, and try to make new magic instead. Your new map plans seem very different from what Terra Restore was, but I have confidence in you making something amazing.

    Well, I hope what I was trying to say didn't get too confused. I just wanted you to know that I'm still out there and I still love your maps. I wish you the best of luck with your new mapping endeavors, whether they're in Minecraft or Hytale.

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    posted a message on [Collection] Mithey's Maps ~ Terra Restore and More!

    Hey Mithey, just wanted to say I hope you're doing well. Your maps have always been great. I haven't talked here in a long time, but I have been checking in, and I always enjoy reading the progress updates. We're all wishing you the best of luck!

    TRR looks excellent. Chunk Restore's "leveling" system was pretty neat, but it never really got the time it needed to develop! Strength/attack stats would be a cool expansion of this system, if implemented right.

    Do you feel like you've been receiving meaningful feedback on all the cool new systems and features for TRR you've been bringing up? If not, it's important to note that new ideas for map systems by themselves are pretty neutral - when you tell us about a new system for your map, the default reaction is "cool" and hype-building. More often than not, it's the execution that lets us really judge your map's systems and give better positive/negative feedback.

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    posted a message on [Collection] Mithey's Maps ~ Terra Restore and More!

    Alright. My playthrough of Chunk Restore is finished. My main feedback? I WANT MORE.

    This map looks wonderful. Even though it's so short now, all the systems and town-building aspects are so intriguing I just want to see more of them. I'm playing the entire map on Void mode, and it seems like a healthy challenge - my only request is that I get some way to tone down the 10% gold loss on death. I'm dying so much, I doubt I'll ever have enough money to purchase anything major...

    There's a lot of neat little details I really like, like being able to fish up apples, and the mob "notice" system - I hope to see possible stealth approaches in the future! I can't wait to see how this map develops.

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    posted a message on Moniker's CTM Map Reviews
    Quote from Anariinna»

    Hello. I've been a lurker of your thread for a while now. Can I just say how much I love your work and your reviews ? Each new post was like Christmas, and each reading provided me with advices, insight, and great laughs for each of the maps you bravely played through.

    I am a bit sad to hear you'll stop making reviews but after reading your last one, I do understand why. You have inspired me to create a review thread as well as I love reviewing stuff.

    Your writing is amazing and I think you're very talented. Do you write stories other than here ? If so, believe me i'd love to read them as well.

    Thanks you for your dedication, i wish you great things and good luck in the future, recovering from Unconquerable.

    Hey, thanks a lot, it makes me really happy to hear you enjoyed them. I hope to read some of your reviews in the future, too.

    As for some of the other stuff I've done, if you want more criticism of terrible things, in the guise of a screenshot let's play, and are enthusiastic about Fire emblem, then I used to do fire emblem ROMhack LPs, and one day I came across a hack called Corrupt Theocracy... Found here. It depends on if you like Fire Emblem games though, depending on your experience with the series it might be hard to follow.

    In terms of stories, I made a forum game called Destroy the godmodder which became somewhat popular and can be found here. It isn't really a story though as much as it is a silly forum game.

    Again, thanks a ton! I'm always glad to inspire people to avoid some of the mistakes these mapmakers made or make their own reviews. It makes me feel like I've made the world a better place.
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    posted a message on [CTM] The Ultimate -CTM COMMUNITY- Thread



    Made by Eshlie

    For 1.2+


    Style: Area-based


    The name doesn’t sound much more or less intimidating than a lot of the other CTM maps out there, trying to puff out their chest and sound all difficult. Super Hostile… Impossible Victory… Ragecraft.

    But this map… this map is different. I’d like to say up front that this is one of, if not the, last reviews I’ll be doing. I might pick them up again at some point in the future, but quite frankly… I’ve finally found it. The worst map. The absolute bottom. The deeper I look, the more I analyze it, the more I wonder how in the seven hells anyone could have thought this map would be fun or enjoyable or anything but an impossible challenge for masochists.

    …Which would make sense. It IS called Unconquerable. And it really means it, too. The central gimmick of the map is that it ascribes to ROMhack rules of difficulty in very specific ways. Of course, I use the term “ROMhack” loosely. Because even Kaizo Mario didn’t force you to reinstall the game and then start your save over from the beginning whenever you failed a level. This map blows up the wool boxes. It isn’t some smoke-and-mirrors empty threat. It really, really, REALLY, ABSOLUTELY, destroys the wool boxes. But it doesn’t destroy ALL the wool boxes. The first time a box is in danger isn’t until after the first intersection. Meaning, if you want to go for all the wool boxes, you’ll have to punch through the entire beginning portion of the map again and again. And that’s just ONE of the key problems with this map and its core concept.

    This map makes it clear right from the start that you won’t get all the wools. And it’s right. You won’t. 50% is a good marker to shoot for, since about 40% of the map’s wools aren’t in danger. Honestly, if you can save even 1 or 2 of the wools the map puts in danger? You’re doing good! One of the possibilities presented by the mapmaker is to go about things in a “high score” fashion. Get as many as you can! The problem with that is that, well… the map isn’t fun. Whether you want to get all the wools or not, the map isn’t fun. There are only a few times where the wools the map puts in danger even CAN (reasonably) be saved, with or without foreknowledge of what’s going to happen (yes, there are a lot of BS traps).

    But I think I’ve hyped the map up enough. Let’s calm down for a little bit and actually start combing through the game.

    Spawn/Caves of Azarni:

    We begin with a Vechs-like start, with a giant sandstone box as our spawn, with some signs telling us the rules. After that, we immediately enter the Caves of Azarni. I like these caves. They essentially act as an area to stock up on loot that would be useful to us, since we’re just starting the map. The more side-paths you explore, the more you find, and I appreciate that. However… there’s lots of lava around. Tons of it. It’s more the product of outdated CTM map design thinking than anything else (read: DYING IN LAVA AND LOSING ALL YOUR STARTING SUPPLIES AND NEEDING TO REINSTALL THE MAP IS HILARIOUS LOLOLOL), but it can still force a restart if you have any slip up one too many times. Furthermore, some of the “bonus loot” provided ranges from useless to amazing. In one side-cavern, you have a fishing rod and a cooked fish. Yay. In a cave hidden in the ceiling, you have a sharp II Unbreaking II iron sword. It isn’t just the best weapon in the first intersection, it’s one of the strongest weapons you’ll ever have in the entire map! …More on the gear progression later. Right from the start, the loot balance is already wonky. That said, this is a fairly good starting area… just so long as you can avoid the lava.

    Rating – 7/10 (IT’S ALL DOWNHILL FROM HERE)

    Intersection 1: Contains lava, wood, and coal. It isn’t bad but it’s not great either.

    Rating – 7/10

    Semi-Hard Wood(White wool):

    Deaths: 2(1 TNT Trap, 1 Natural Mob swarm)


    As you might be able to figure out from the picture, this area takes a little inspiration from “Western Commons” from a CTM map called Legendary. Okay, more than a little. In fact, it’s more like “straight up copied everything” – the aesthetic, the general feel of the area, even the little town that totally explodes on you! It’s okay to take inspiration or good ideas from areas, but you have to put your own original spin on it! There’s no original spin here! It’s just a copy! For that reason, I’m going to deduct a few points from this area’s score.

    The actual dungeon part of the area is a fortress located at the end, and it’s the only thing that isn’t copied. It’s also the worst part. This map has no honeyboxes to speak of, even if it is fairly big. If you attack this area at daytime, the fortress will have TONS of natural mobs and be WAY harder than the number of spawners would suggest! Once you actually kill the inevitable swarm inside and light it up, it isn’t actually that terrible of a place to be. The fortess has an incredibly simple design, just some floors with stairs and spawners embedded in the floor. Eventually, you’ll find the wool in a nice cute little safe space underground, in a bedrock box, with absolutely nothing that could threaten it. We’re not at that point yet. Expect to be going through this place a lot if you want to try for all the wool.

    Rating – 3/10

    Vertigo(Orange wool):

    Deaths: 3(1 creeper blast into void, 1 mob swarm, 1 TNT trap)


    The wool wasn’t at threat in this area, either, but you certainly are! You’ve probably noticed from the intersection, first area, and now this place, that inventory-wiping threats are a constant thing in this map. It very much subscribes to the idea that having your inventory wiped is fun, when you have limited supplies to work off of and enough deaths could force you to do a map restart. At least we got better access to cobblestone and coal here. The area’s design is very simple; giant stone pillars, each with some loot and enemies inside, and one of them contains the wool. The main threat in this place is natural spawns, again. Once you make it to the wool, that changes. It’s a classic example of the mapmaker making a challenging problem, but not a solution to it. Let me explain. The entrance to the room with the wool in it is a 2x2 hole in the ground, which leads to a long drop into a 2x2 lava hole. Water buckets aren’t available. You could dig through the walls… if they weren’t all silverfish blocks. This leaves you with only one choice: Drop down, angling yourself so as to hit blocks next to the lava, then trying to survive the hordes of zombies without getting knocked down into the lava, while praying that there aren’t too many naturally spawned skeletons and creepers down there. It’s pretty dumb. This whole area is just far too intense for a starting area, and being in a map called “Unconquerable” isn’t a good enough excuse!

    Rating – 4/10

    Caverns of Darkness(Magenta Wool)

    Deaths: 6(2 from mob swarms, 4 trying to reclaim items)


    The map tells you at the beginning that “this is where the real hard map starts”. It isn’t kidding. But it’s ALSO where we begin to see just how bad this map really is. This map is insanely difficult – but it’s not from having any sort of balanced challenge. It’s from a complete lack of effort on the mapmaker’s part. The setting is generic stone cubes, made to look like “caves” by using MCedit erosion on the walls. You have to go down them through holes in the floor, and when you reach the bottom, there’s a slightly bigger cave with the wool. With no honeyboxes to speak of, the caves are FILLED with natural spawns. This entire area is a MASTER COURSE in why natural mobs shouldn’t be used as your main enemies! It’s completely luck based whether you’ll fight 20 skeletons in any one room or 20 zombies, but you’re definitely fighting at least 20 enemies! Good luck with your leather armor and stone tools! Yeah, the loot level in the map is just too weak to fight these unbeatable hordes. Even as you kill them, more will just spawn. There’s a few spider spawners hidden behind blocks, but compared to the natural spawns, they’re hardly even a threat. Eventually, you’ll reach the wool – totally safe unless 80 creepers decide to spawn outside the fleecy box – and then find the connections to the fourth area and second intersection. But this area is complete garbage. Totally uninspired, totally unbalanced, just remove it! If you wanted to rebalance this map, you’d have to rebuild the area from the ground up! IT CAN’T BE SAVED! IT’S AWFUL!

    Rating – 2/10 – At least it’s short

    Psychological games(Light blue wool):

    Deaths: 1(TNT)


    Alright. Let’s get started. I hope you didn’t skim over those 2 screenshots. Go back. Look over them REAL carefully. I’ll give you a minute to think about the question: What do you think the solution is?

    You don’t know? Well guess what; I don’t think anybody ELSE knows either!!

    Okay. Okay. So, I will say one good thing: I like this area’s CONCEPT. Considering that every sign we’ve seen so far has been the mapmaker taunting us as best he can, this psychological warfare thing fits with the theme of the map perfectly. These are the types of areas we should have… is what I WOULD say, if not for the fact that the execution is terrible.

    The problem posed is that if we run forward, a proximity sensor could trigger before we had a chance to get the wool out. But if we push the button, it could disable the proximity sensor! Or maybe, there isn’t a proximity sensor, and the button will destroy the wool! There’s no way to know! How is anyone supposed to figure it out with the information given? The problem, as it is posed, is a bunch of crap!

    …and that ALSO is what I would say… if I didn’t KNOW. This isn’t my first playthrough of the map. It’s my fourth. None of the playthroughs save this one finished the map (“finished” being… debatable), but all of them made it to this area. So I KNOW what’s going to happen. There’s a proximity sensor that will trigger TNT to destroy the wool as you approach it, if you ignore the button. But if you press the button… it will just trigger the TNT right away, destroying the wool sooner!.

    Both options will destroy the wool. I knew this, because I had tried both. However… I don’t give up easy. I had a third plan in my mind! You see, earlier on in the map (though I forget where), the map had seen fit to provide us with enderpearls! I had them squirreled away, all ready to unleash my master plan: Teleport in, then get out!

    But alas, things were more serious than I ever expected. My first pearl took me right to the wool box… but when I broke in, I quickly realized: The wool box you see in the picture is solid glass! You’ll have to punch through 10 glass blocks just to make it to the chest! So I did. As I heard the TNT begin to go off behind me, I reached the chest, only to realize… there was a brick block above the chest. In order to get the wool, you’d need to break that, too. I tried to break the chest, but… well, let’s just say I never had time to use my second enderpearl.

    So any chance of getting all the wool in the map is gone. The task this map sets before you is intentionally impossible. This map truly is Unconquerable.

    But you know what? This area might actually be a mercy. Because this is only the first intersection. And things never go any direction but downhill in this map. If you’re intending to play the map, or are playing the map, this is where it tells you: It never even intended to let you think you had a chance. So get off! Stop playing the map! Now’s your chance! Run! Go far away! Your hopes have been crushed!! You can leave! RUN!

    Rating – 1/10

    Intersection 2: A simple, boring intersection, with no way home. I say “way home” because this was before teleporters were a thing… but even Vechs had the good courtesy to put minecart tracks back home in his maps.

    Rating – 5/10

    The Deepest Mines(Lime wool):


    The aesthetic for this place is “stone cave with bedrock as the floor”. Not that it matters, because this is all you see throughout the whole thing. This map was made back when void fog was a thing, and making an area based around void fog is a neat idea, but it isn’t used in any particular way here other than causing you to spend a lot of time stumbling around and running into walls. The area’s main threat is natural spawns and the occasional ceiling-embedded creeper spawner (that you can’t see). Eventually, you’ll end up running into the wool if you keep moving forward. This area could definitely be improved by throwing in some actually interesting things about it, other than void fog. There’s just… nothing here as it is now! It’s definitely a pretty bad area. At least it isn’t a maze…

    Rating – 3/10

    You might be able to detect a bit of a theme by now. The areas where the wool can’t be destroyed (or, the map isn’t actively trying to take it out) are generally bad, but in a mostly unremarkable way. Meanwhile, the areas where the wool CAN be destroyed make it completely impossible. As the map goes on, the number of the latter will increase and the number of the former will shrink.

    Maze of Creepers(Yellow wool):

    Deaths: 2(Lava)


    Alright. This area is one of the few to use the gimmick of making wool unobtainable in a semi-constructive/challenging way. It’s a stone maze where the walls are surrounded on all sides by lava, and filled with creepers. Any creeper explosions will result in the corridor they were in being flooded with lava. Sure, in theory you could just rebuild the walls… but have you ever tried that? It’s almost impossible without fire resistance! Essentially, as creepers explode, parts of the maze will slowly be cut off, and things will get harder. Let too many explode, and you’ll no longer have a way to the wool. It’s not a bad concept! But again, the execution is miserably botched. To begin, at many parts of the area, the floor is lined with TNT. If a creeper sets off the TNT, then it will just destroy half the maze instantly, eliminating any route to the wool – this is how my run of this area ended, if you’re wondering. So much for the wool slowly being sealed off. To make sure it was impossible after the TNT exploded, I gave the area a look-over in Creative – the way to the wool is just one, singular winding hallway that branches off from the rest of the maze, and its absolutely FILLED with creepers. Good luck making it through that and out with none of the creepers exploding!

    It’s an interesting challenge, but not a well-executed one. The creepers and lava were enough. In order to make it better, the TNT should have been removed entirely, and there should have been many paths to the wool rather than just one. Then, we maybe could have gotten one tense area out of the map. Out of all the areas, this is one of the few I saw with actual potential in concept, which made me all the sadder that it was botched.

    Rating – 4/10

    The Tunnels of Auria:

    Deaths: 7(3 Mob swarms, 3 trying to retrieve items, 1 TNT Trap)


    This area is completely thoughtless. Our setting is, for the umpteenth time: Boring stone cave. This boring stone cave, however, has spawners EVERYWHERE. In the floors, in the walls, even in the ceiling! And these spawners aren’t exposed to the air, they’re hidden behind generic stone blocks! Making it nigh-impossible to find them and make the area safe, especially since enemies spawn far faster than you can hope to slay them!

    Alright, for this area, I want to talk about two things. Two things critically wrong with this map. First: The resource distribution. To its credit, Unconquerable gives you good access to plenty of your most absolute basic materials… but to its detriment, it expects you to farm ALL of them – almost nothing is provided in chests. There’s wood, but in the form of forests you need to cut down. There’s coal and cobblestone… in the walls, for you to mine with your slow stone picks. There’s bread… in the form of wheat seeds, which you need bonemeal to grow. If I wanted to play survival where I needed to farm to get anywhere, I’d play normal survival mode. Again, this is a product of old design thinking, but it’s more than that: You never get anything better. Throughout almost the entire map, you’re going to be using leather armor and stone tools. Sometimes, you’ll get an iron sword, or even some leather armor with protection I(gasp!). However, you won’t be able to keep those things, since Unconquerable LOVES its TNT and lava and void traps. It LOVES them. Almost all of the (very rare) “good” gear in the map (mid-tier loot in any other CTM) has some sort of unavoidable trap guarding it. And it just isn’t enough! In this and caves of darkness, you have to fight unending swarms of mobs, but even with the ability to spam click, you can’t kill anything quickly or take very many hits! You’ll die, and you’ll die a LOT! This sort of difficulty would be much more acceptable if we had any gear to counter it with, at all!

    The second thing: The traps. This map appears to be, at many points, attempting to channel the ROMhack hard spirit of I Wanna Be the Guy and other copies. But there’s a key difference between those games and this map. You could rightfully call those games a bunch of fake difficulty nonsense, with their insane unpredictable traps. But at least their traps managed to surprise you! Here, that isn’t the case. All the traps are the exact same: Lava, or TNT. The mapmaker’s idea of making new, more exciting traps is best summed up as: Add more TNT. For example, I wanted to open up a chest. As soon as I opened it, a crater this size was blasted:

    Most of the traps aren’t interesting, nor are they really avoidable. After the first few times, each lava and TNT trap does nothing but elicit a sigh. And that’s just one of the reasons why this map doesn’t work.

    Back to the area: For some reason, the later part of the area contained a ton of lag. Now, I have NEVER had any lag problems with any of the maps I’ve reviewed – none of them. Until now. It seriously messed with me, although I DID manage to identify the cause – which we’ll talk about later. Suffice to say, while it isn’t IN this area, it certainly affects you in this area. Keep your render distance down.

    Also, there’s no threats to the wool itself in the area.

    Rating – 2/10

    Intersection 3: Another boring, ugly intersection, with lava for a floor. They’re all the same at this point. Rating – 4/10

    Unconquerable Monument:

    Finally… a nice place to rest. Even if the monument itself is nigh-impossible to complete, this place provides you with infinite amounts of materials you had plenty of already – stone picks, coal, and leather. It DOES provide you with an upgrade in the form of double chests full of iron swords. Not sure how much it will help, but it is very much appreciated. It even has rail lines back, albeit very long ones.

    Rating – 7/10

    Numbers(Grey wool):


    Another area where you have to make a choice. This one, however, appears to have a semblance of logic. Essentially, you have 4 numbers: 859. 631. 699. 499. The map tells you to pick the “odd one out”. Pick right, and you get the wool! Pick wrong, and the wool is dead. This puzzle suffers from a lot of problems, namely, the main thing that makes a puzzle design hard: How do you communicate your logical line of thinking to the people trying to solve the puzzle? Of course it’s obvious to you, since you’re making the puzzle. But to people who aren’t you, it’s really hard. For this puzzle, I of course chose 631, since it’s the only number that doesn’t end in “9”. This evidently was not the solution the mapmaker had intended, as the wool was promptly destroyed.

    Rating – 2/10

    Happy Fluffy Bunnies(Light Gray Wool):

    Deaths: 3(Mob hordes)


    This area began with your usual stuff. Tons and tons of insane, insane naturally spawned hordes, too strong to beat with mere leather armor. So, I turned off the natural spawns. I was done with them. From here on out, just assume every area’s score would be 2 points lower if natural spawns were still on. They were just making the map nearly unplayable in their numbers. Even without natural spawns, all the areas still put up a fight – it’s just that now, they were possible!

    (Please forgive me for cheating on a map I’m reviewing. I’m sorry, but assume it was so that I could reduce my rage enough to present this review to you in a mental state even slightly resembling coherent)

    Most of the spawners in the area are skeleton spawners, but they contain an extra layer of crap, one that speaks to this map’s apparent lack of playtesting – this cave is made of redstone ore, in a map where iron is not thus far a thing. Good luck getting to the spawners in the ceiling with your stone picks! At least the cave segment is short. It branches off in 2 ways at the start; one leads to I4 and the other leads to… this room:

    Alright. Compared to the other traps so far? This one isn’t that bad. See if you can guess what it is. Here’s a hint: The redstone ore triggers TNT which destroys everything. But this time, this trap is actually done in a way that someone knowledgeable can guess what will happen before it happens! It isn’t bad! Thank you! It’s still an entirely TNT-based trap, but at least its execution isn’t terrible this time.

    But aside from that, this area has a lot of problems, so it still gets a low, low rating.

    Rating – 4/10

    Intersection 4: Well, if nothing else, this intersection was something different. The outside is entirely a dark room with swarms upon swarms of cave spiders and their spawners. But, at least, you had glass walls protecting you! It was meant to be used as an EXP/drops farm, I believe. So it’s… sort of nice? …Ish? …?????

    Rating – 7/10

    Silvervenom(some wool):

    I can’t rate this area. I can’t. Upon entering, I was struck by such lag, I could hardly move. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Out of all the maps I’ve reviewed, this is the first one I’ve ever had problems with it. I have a fine computer and 2GB dedicated to Minecraft. And was playing on a really old version. Not to mention, this map is many years old. If I have problems, I doubt that anyone who played this area before me would do much better. However – I was actually able to find the cause, or so I believe. Beneath the city pictured, there’s a big, bedrock tunnel, where all the walls are more-or-less nothing but spawners. Row after row, wall after wall. If you could use spectator mode, you’d realize that the spawners are actually several blocks thick, which honestly isn’t even necessary. I’m pretty sure that one layer would have been more than enough. Well, we’ve identified the cause of the lag, but what is the purpose of this tunnel? It isn’t designed to be balanced, the signs even tell you to give up. This tunnel, which renders the entire area unplayable, leads to… LEADS TO…

    A small, lit up room tucked in the corner, a light at the end of the tunnel… And inside lies…

    A sign that calls you out for cheating. That’s its purpose. That’s the only reason its there.

    That’s all there is.

    That’s what this area was sacrificed, made unplayable, for. A pointless side tunnel, with nothing in it but a “clever” call-out to cheaters for getting past the tunnel. The tunnel that wouldn’t have needed to exist if not for the specific purpose of having cheaters get past it. If I hadn’t decided not to give the area a rating, I’d give the tunnel a 0. The rest of the area doesn’t even matter. That’s how stupid this tunnel is. Why. Why. Why.

    Rating --/10

    Forest of the Dead(Cyan wool):

    Deaths: 3(Cave spider swarms)


    The top part of this place isn’t that bad. It’s a forest in a sandstone cave, with spider and cave spider spawners hidden underneath the trees. It’s not original, or unique, or particularly fun, but it isn’t that terrible. However, in the ponds in the forest, you have the entrance to the wool room underwater. It’s just a giant, dark, bedrock room, with the spawners hidden inside the bedrock where you can’t get to them. And there are a LOT of spawners. The intended way to do it seems to be to find time to break the glass blocks and make it inside the wool box with this horde following you:

    It isn’t a very fair challenge. If we had armor that wasn’t leather, and could actually expect to take a few hits before dying, then maybe. But it isn’t particularly fun as it is. There is nothing in particular threatening the wool itself in this area.

    Rating – 2/10

    Spider Lattice:

    Deaths: 2(1 Spider swarm, 1 TNT)


    Alright. This area was short. Short but terrible. The image you see above is the entrance to the area. Let’s talk about the number of reasons why it is bad. First off, you’ll probably notice that the area seems to consist of a checkerboard pattern of half-slabs and nothing, above redstone ore. If you were to guess that the redstone ore triggers many, many, many blocks of TNT, you’d be right! You get a prize. The prize is that you don’t have to play the map, since you already know its tricks. As you can see, this area is SWARMING with spider spawners… which, as you can probably guess, are again hidden in bedrock. The spiders build up fairly quickly, and as you can see, there’s really no way to get into the area except by dropping into the spiders, getting slapped around, and HOPING you don’t end up on the redstone ore. What I’m saying is, this challenge is almost completely impossible and you’re going to die.

    Let’s talk about the map’s difficulty curve for a little while. Okay so, imagine not a difficulty curve, or a difficulty cliff, but a difficulty mountain. You start your climb a ways up, because if you’ve found this old map it’s safe to say you have at least some minecraft experience. But the climb quickly gets intense. Blizzards of lava. Avalanches of TNT. And as you climb higher, and higher, and higher, you’ll realize the top isn’t getting any closer. You can turn back there, or choose to keep going. But if you keep going, it still doesn’t closer. Finally, miles above the ground, your breaths get harder to take. The air is thinning, and it will only continue to do so. You can keep going, but at some point, you’ll have to accept that to go any higher would require you to die due to lack of oxygen. And the point you need to cross still hasn’t gotten any closer.

    What I’m trying to say is that this map is too difficult for human beings to beat.

    Here’s the thing. If you want me to care about a challenge… if you want me to get invested in something, if you want me to be engaged in whether or not I can succeed… not just “I”, but “anyone”… you have to give out a chance to succeed in the first place. This area doesn’t give out a chance for success. It throws something completely insurmountable at you, right from the beginning. Could any normal human fall into a group of spiders, then fight their way out, and make it through an area without ever touching the redstone ore and activating the TNT, with only leather armor, and iron swords, when they can’t even break the bedrock spawners? I think not. For that reason, this area is where I totally stopped caring about the map. This was clear as early as Psychological Games, but with every area we play, it’s becoming more clear. Now I can’t even see. It’s isn’t just see-through, it’s become so clear it’s invisible again. It’s the reason why the map’s core concept fails. We. Will. Not. EVER. Succeed.

    It’s all already been decided. Whether or not you will get the wool was already decided. You’re either set up for failure with nigh-impossible tasks, or nothing threatens the wool at all. You can’t play the map like a “High score map”, because you’re guaranteed to get half the wools – with persistence -, and CAN’T get the other half! What would the point of trying to get as many as possible even be?? There isn’t much point to really try, or get invested any more. From now on, this is about seeing how badly the map can make things go before it destroys the last few wool.

    Rating – 3/10

    Intersection 5: A lava-filled place with no way home.

    Rating – 4/10

    The Box:


    Again… it’s a bedrock box, full of cave spiders and silverfish and creepers, and massive lines of TNT that will kill you. It’s all primed, so the goal is to beat the area without touching it. Now… this area MIGHT have worked as a slow, careful area, where you have to fight a handful of stronger enemies, while carefully avoiding TNT and moving forward as fast as you can. It does NOT work as a horde area with creepers where one mistake absolutely guarantees destruction. Again, the map has provided you with a challenge, but not a way to solve it. There is no point.

    Rating – 3/10

    The Evil Comets(Brown wool):

    Deaths: 3(Lava)


    The area is as you see. Now, considering that the main challenge here is “desperately build a bridge in spite of ghasts”, you’d think the area would provide us with blocks, or bows/arrows, or enderpearls, or any of the other materials needed to actually take on this challenge! But no. Come to think of it, in all these areas, we haven’t had any loot at all since the monument’s chests! I guess the map expected us to rely entirely on them? But, those chests only gave us picks, swords, coal, leather armor, and a place to farm food. If you want bows/arrows, blocks, tools, or anything else, you’re out of luck. Considering the incredible taxation the map has put so far on inventories with all the TNT and lava, it’s not a stretch to say you’d be forced to mine blocks, just to have some bridge-building supplies, in order to beat this area. There’s a big difference, and a fine line, between a survival-based map and a map that requires grinding. This is the latter, and it’s way over the line.

    Since you can’t really go on the offense against the spawners, the “solution” seems to be to VERY CAREFULLY weave through them – or at least, that’s what I did. It isn’t easy. Once you actually reach the bedrock platform, you have a few more bedrock surrounded spawners, but the map is merciful – nothing will touch the wool. The area is still crap, but you can at least take the wool home.

    Rating – 3/10

    Demon Run(Red wool):

    For the second-to-last area, lag begins. Again. This time, there isn’t a specific part of this place that’s causing it… it’s more of… this area as a whole is just row upon row of spawners.

    Okay, so. This castle. To start with, the entrance you see in front of you is actually to BLACK wool. The red wool can be found by entering the glass encasement at the top. Once you make it up there, you can descend into the “final room”, even though its really the first part of the way to red wool. It’s well…

    …yeah, that’s where the lag is coming from. This goes on for a WHILE. Remember – the only gear is unenchanted leather, iron swords, stone picks, and hopefully a whole lot of torches! Have fun!

    …Okay, that’s not completely fair. There IS a chest full of enderpearls at the start, so you can warp through that area. That said… would it even help? The mobs are still insane, and you can’t mitigate the damage the enderpearls do to you since you don’t have feather falling. Teleport spam isn’t an option.

    Basically, this area is full of all the problems with the rest of the map, in one convenient package. A massive area, full of thoughtless mob spam, with no good way to approach it, while you’re undergeared, in a way that causes lag, and most of all, isn’t fun. This is it. The pinnacle of the difficulty mountain. More-or-less a copy of the intentionally-designed-to-be-impossible tunnel from earlier, except this time you’re actually expected to go and beat it. Honestly, if you compare the two, the similarities are so striking it’s ridiculous. The mapmaker placed some signs taunting us, and said that there are 400 spawners crammed into this itty bitty space. 400.

    If it wasn’t clear. I didn’t actually play this area. From here on out, I’ve just switched into creative and begun flying through. That’s how badly this map has frustrated and broken me! I’ve stopped actually playing it, and now I’m just a passive observer! But let me defend myself here. If I actually DID try to play this area, imagine the position I’d be in. With nothing but leather armor, iron swords, stone pickaxes, and ender pearls, I would have to slowly begin chipping away at this monstrosity – spawner by spawner. For the first few hours, I’d be dealing with lag, but if I could break some of the spawners, then MAYBE the lag could be alleviated. Slightly. It would be hours upon hours of just trying to eke out bit by bit of progress. And, well… I have a life. I have limited free time. I can’t spend it all trying to clear this impossible map, just to make my review a little more authentic.

    I’m sorry. This map has taken all I have from me. I have nothing left to give. This area receives the most dreaded score…

    Rating – 1/10

    Black Wool:

    (Area had no formal name).

    And it goes out with a whimper. This is IT. After the insanity of red wool… I honestly expected something more. But this is what we get. It’s a bedrock platform, with skeletons, blazes, and ghasts above void. The wool is in a chest in the middle, which is surrounded by TNT. And that’s all there is. I’ve said all I can say about these areas. Anything more I said here would simply retread old territory. We’re done here. Let’s skip right to the finish.

    Rating – 2/10


    Well, this picture shows what I DID manage to complete of the monument. Which isn’t much. As I said before, 50% would be a “good” score for this ridiculous map. This utterly, utterly ridiculous map.

    I hope that the review up to this point has managed to convey to you at least .01% of the map’s absolute awfulness. Everything about the map is wrong. The core concept is flawed, the execution of the map isn’t flawed so much as a trainwreck. A trainwreck lying in a heap at the foot of the Eiffel Tower. On a train that was trying to get from New York to Detroit. Millions are dead.

    The map has two main forms of challenge: Ludicrous numbers of spawners. Traps that can’t really be predicted, avoided, or circumvented. I’ve spoken of these problems many times before in other maps. But this map provides all those problems in much worse, unrefined, pure, raw forms. It’s almost awe-inspiring in how little it tries to hide what it is. And what it is is garbage.

    The loot distribution? What loot distribution? I’ve already told you before: You spend the first half of the map with leather armor and stone tools. You spend the second half of the map with leather armor, stone tools, and an iron sword. And that’s all. It isn’t anywhere near enough to face what the map throws at you in heaps.

    If the wool being destroyed was used to make action-filled, high intensity areas, then maybe I could have at least gotten some adrenaline rushes or something out of this map. But no. Almost every time the wool was in danger, it was in danger in a way that you were doomed from the start. Providing any chance at all to reach the wool came off as more of a cruel joke than an actual challenge to be solved. Maybe that’s all this map was. Just a cruel, cruel joke. So please.

    Please don’t play Unconquerable.

    The entire reason I made this review was so that nobody who stumbled upon it would have to traverse this Nightmare Realm. To go right ahead and play it anyways would ruin everything I’ve worked for; like stabbing a knife through my heart! Please! Please! Run as far away from Unconquerable! DON’T PLAY IT!


    Gameplay: ++-------- 2/10

    Aesthetics: ++--------- 2/10

    Functionality: ++++----- 4/10

    VERDICT: ++-------- 2/10

    Die in a fire, Unconquerable.

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    Beneath The Void 4


    Made by kkraft234

    For 1.8.x


    Style: Area-based

    Preface: Beneath the Void 4 – the final map in the 4-part series! Or at least, the final map today – though the thread for them has been dead for quite some time now. Considering the slow but sure improvement of the previous maps, you’d think the fourth one would have been where it all REALLY came together. But despite that… the map was actually very poorly received! Not a lot of people said they enjoyed it, as compared to Beneath The Void 3. Where did it go wrong? Did it improve or didn’t it? Well… let’s take a look through this review and walk through the areas. How does it measure up to the other maps? Maybe we can find out what happened.


    Alright. The previous maps had an above-average number of command blocks compared to most maps I play, and this map REALLY goes whole-hog with it. The spawn is powered by a lot of command blocks, with options rooms, and appearing/disappearing corridors. At the very end of the third map, you were given a choice between completing the monument or becoming one with the void – and this map actually has a very interesting continuation of that, starting you in the final choice room from BTV3! That said… if you hadn’t been playing the maps up to that point like I had, it probably would have just been confusing.

    Once you got all the the options set up, the map teleported you to a… class selection area? In the map’s description on the forums, it mentioned that it was a very “experimental” map, and this certainly qualifies. The choice of the classes is set up with a book philosophically waxing about the choices we make, and whether they’re bad or good (I’ll talk about this “choice” theme throughout the map, and how it’s totally forgotten about). You have 3 chests, and inside each one was a book with a class name. Now, the map very much has multiplayer in mind with its design – not just here, but at other parts of the map, too. This class system supports up to 3 players, and the clear intent is to have different players fill different “roles”. Despite that, the classes don’t mean all that much – all you get is a book that lets you use specific raw materials to craft various items – some aren’t worth it, or replaced entirely by what you get in chests. A few later on may have been useful – though, I didn’t see them all, we’ll get to that later.

    I grabbed the Alchemist book, expecting there to be a class description inside. Nope, that was my choice! We’re Alchemists now! Other than that, though, the setup for this map is very well-done, very cool. It looks nice and flashy and does do a good job of getting you excited for what’s to come. Now, for the actual map to start…

    Rating – 8/10

    Starting Area(White wool):

    This place is interesting. The map definitely kicks off strong, throwing you into a strange environment with nothing but your class book, useless on its own. It gives you wood and coal and other materials you need to beat the area, and it feels like a really nice, “lite survival” starting area. The main threat throughout is natural spawns, which can be frustrating in their large numbers, but they’re hardly impossible to beat. There’s even a fairly clever touch, in that parts of the area contain some of the materials you’d need to make a few basic recipes with your class book hidden in the environment. Once you reach the white wool, you’re immediately teleported out of the area forever, which surprised me. There isn’t anything irreplaceable there, but I’d still like to be able to go back… all in all, it’s a good starting area. It sets a nice tone for the rest of the map.

    Rating – 8/10

    Monument/Dimension Cube:

    This functions as the map’s “intersection” – standard intersections are completely abandoned, replaced entirely by teleporters. As you beat more areas and get more wool, you’ll unlock different “versions” of the intersection, with different teleporters. It’s a neat idea, and not a bad one, either. It works fine and isn’t particularly clunky. The monument is also interesting – every time you place a wool down, you’ll receive a special item to commemorate your achievement. These ranged from “good useful items” to “random crap”. For example, White wool gives out “White Wooly”, a Smite 2 stone sword.

    Each version of the intersection save the last also contains a side area – the first one is a lush place full of trees. Attempting to farm here reveals that the tick speed has been sped up – that means that when you chop a tree, the leaves decay almost instantly, and crops/trees grow almost immediately, too!

    Despite everything that this place has, the one place it lacks is a major, useful base. Since there’s a lot of block replacement here, if you aren’t careful, chests you placed could get overwritten! Knowing this, I built my base in the side area of the first version of this place… but not everyone going into the map will know this. It should have been made clear by that map that you have to be careful where you build your base!

    Other than that, while not perfect, this intersection definitely feels… unique. I haven’t seen much like this before – and that’s probably something I could say for a lot of this map.

    Rating – 7/10

    Peaceful Valley(Orange wool):

    This place… almost felt like it was designed to serve a story purpose, rather than a gameplay one. So let’s talk about the story. It spends most of its time following the “Bavarian” civilization and its people, and their journey through the world. I’ll tell you more as it develops, but for the beginning part, they settled in “lush lands full of resources” which serve as our starting areas. This area’s story is that it is the world before it was settled, devoid of both people and resources. For that reason, this area feels far more like an environment to gather resources in than an area to conquer – still no spawners, only natural mobs, and a whole lot of chests with useful items scattered about. It’s an interesting area to explore, but we sort of already did this with the first area. This area is even easier, with even less challenge! We haven’t been going on long enough to need a break just yet. The next area will hopefully make good on the promise made by the map’s spawn and first area.

    Rating – 5/10

    Mysterious Mines(Yellow Wool):

    Our very first maze area! The setting is fairly simple, a long series of interconnected mineshafts making up a giant maze which we needed to solve to reach the wool. Now, throughout many CTMs I’ve played, mazes of this type tend to fail in 2 different ways: One, they don’t put any loot in the maze so it feels unsatisfying. In this, the map does fine. The maze has plenty of good things in it to reward you for every wrong turn you take. Two, the entire maze is the same. And here… the map completely fails. See the picture up there? That’s the whole maze. There’s the occasional spawner, and the natural mob hordes, but nothing really challenging that actually changes up the gameplay. It’s just 15-30 minutes of the exact same hallways. It doesn’t even switch it up when you make it to the wool, it just has two spawners instead of one! That said, I do have to give the area some credit – it at least has the good courtesy to teleport you out once you have the wool. But that doesn’t change the fact that this area gets very boring, very fast. It should have either have different variations of rooms rather than the same cut-and-paste hallway, or be shortened down to a 5-minute jaunt.

    Rating – 4/10

    Jungle Chasm(Magenta wool, kkraft’s head):

    This area starts out looking very… square. The MCedit brush strokes are fairly obvious here. It’s very similar to the last area, in that the main threat is natural spawns and some generic mob spawners. The regular spawners come in small numbers, only one or two at a time, and are un-primed, so I can usually destroy them before they have a chance to do anything. However… this threat is not equivalent to our gear level. At this point, my gear is full chain armor with some iron mixed in, enchanted tools, a power II bow, a Smite 2 Unbreakable gold sword… Basically, I’m ready to handle larger numbers of enemies and custom mobs. But these areas are quite in opposition to the mob spam of previous maps – in fact, they almost feel too empty!

    The area does at least change the environment a little (descending a cliff, going through a cave…), but rarely changes the enemies you encounter or their numbers, making it feel like the same. The one exception is a brief fortress-type area at the back, with kkraft as a miniboss and some good loot. Still, the spawners there were unprimed, and kkraft is locked away in a little room, so it was still incredibly easy. I understand if the map is trying to make a really steady difficulty curve that starts off far on the lower end, but these earlier areas are so simple, they’re hardly holding my attention. It doesn’t need to be difficult, but we do need something to do or a problem to solve in the earlier areas to keep us engaged.

    Rating – 4/10

    Castle Sewers(Light blue wool, Casamuel’s head):

    Deaths: 1 (Natural mob swarm, aided by witch poison)

    Remember at the beginning of the map, there was that book I mentioned, playing up “choices” as the theme? This is one of the few areas where I felt like that was used fairly well. You have three different paths to choose from to attack the castle in the picture: Take one of the cliffs on opposite sides and fight through the castle, or attack head-on and enter the titular Castle Sewers. It isn’t really three options so much as two, since the cliff paths are more-or-less the same thing. Despite the good idea of giving you multiple ways to invade a castle, neither path is particularly interesting. The Cliffside paths have you smashing through barricades with spawners behind them, and it gets repetitive very quickly – it doesn’t last long at least. The sewer path is pretty much a straight shot through the forest to the sewers, but once you’re inside them, it’s ridiculously easy – there are spawners in the walls and floors, but they aren’t primed, so you can easily light up the 3x2 sewer corridors. Even if they do spawn, it isn’t cave spiders or silverfish or anything you’d expect in a sewer – it’s just regular zombies and skeletons. The sewers drop you off right at the wool and are incredibly easy to get through. Which is a pity, because the castle part you go to through the cliff options is probably the most interesting part of the area. It’s nice-looking, with all your standard castle fare – spawners under pillars, and all that. Still, we’re just too strong to have much trouble with only a handful of generic enemies. The only interesting or engaging challenge in the entire area is Casamuel’s miniboss fight, where he’s backed up by cave spiders – but it ends too soon. This entire area is repetitive and easy. It looks nice, and the basic concept is interesting, but that’s really it.

    Rating – 5/10

    Cavern of the Gods(Lime wool):

    A very dark desert… chock full of natural spawns, too! In this area, we finally got a custom mobs: Zombies with stone swords and leather helm/boots. They’re hardly tougher than normal zombies, and since the spawners aren’t primed they don’t have much of a chance to spawn, but it’s certainly a step in the right direction! Aside from that, this area has little interesting. Lots of houses filled with loot, a handful of spawners, and a neat-looking but mostly harmless little pyramid at the end. There was a room with six spawners in it, but with none of them primed, I could simply smash them before they did anything.

    Rating – 5/10

    Old Fountain of Youth(Gray wool):

    This area actually put up a fight! Sure, it was mostly from the insane hordes of natural spawns, but it did put up a fight! There were more custom mobs here, though none of them anything special, just regular enemies with some armor. The odd thing about this area was that it was really short; none of the areas in the map so far have been particularly long, but this area stood out as especially small. At the end, we had the “fountain of youth” as a very brief water section with a few guardians. All in all, this area was fine. Not particularly bad or good.

    Rating – 6/10

    As our wool reward for this area, all recipe books were upgraded to a level 2 version. My old recipe book let me make instant healing 1 splash potions, and instant damage 3 splash pots. My new one lets me make all that plus a strength potion and a book that heals all players (I’m playing alone). I’m happy that I have a book to make potions, but the map itself has provided plenty of potions – I’m not at a shortage! I know that the warrior’s book can make weapons and armor, but the map has plenty of that, too. The enchanter can make books of enchanting, but we’ve found those in chests as well! By now, my main problem with how the classes work has become clear: There’s no real use for them, or rather, no need to use them! The map’s chests alone provide all I could need and more. I don’t need a book to help me craft extra supplies.

    When a player hears the word “class” they generally think of gear or abilities, rather than crafting specializations. Crafting specializations is all the classes are at their core, so that’s what they should be called.

    (Misplaced Picture :C)

    Six Feet Under(Pink wool, Dinnerbone’s head):

    This area was very, very tiny. A simple desert cave that went around a corner, had a building, then the wool was right under it. The weird thing about this area was, it was absolutely CHOKED with regular enemies. Just CHOKED with them! There were tons! I slaughtered more, but more just came! I didn’t stay too long, so I’m not sure whether they were all just extreme amounts of natural mobs, or spawners placed in such a clever way that I didn’t notice them at all. It looks nice, at least…

    Rating – 4/10

    Purple(Purple wool):

    This area was very… purple. It’s a dark area filled with obsidian, lava, and cobwebs. It’s very hard to see, actually! The majority of this area didn’t have spawners, just the usual hordes of natural spawns… however, at some points, there were blaze spawners hidden in the walls. The… obsidian… walls. Really, it was just best to keep moving throughout the entire thing! The first part, progressing through caves like you see above, wasn’t particularly interesting. The second part, however, changed things up; it was a volcano! The approach and climb of the volcano was a good, tense fight, with lava and blazes and other enemies around the whole way. But once you reach the top, all that tension dissipates… I was expecting something to fight inside the volcano, but there’s nothing there except the wool. Overall, this area did at least have one interesting thing! If the entire area was a huge climb up a bigger volcano, then it would have been much more interesting. Venturing through dark, obsidian, cobweb-filled caves might be a little challenging but it isn’t particularly new or exciting.

    Rating – 6/10

    The Pillars of Creation(Cyan wool):

    Deaths: 3(Charged creeper blasts)

    The difficulty here increased significantly! For once, we had less natural spawns, but they were replaced with NEW horrible creatures…

    The landscape was a very odd, not-good-looking block variation of ice, clay, bedrock, and obsidian. The setting was a giant plain with the titular pillars jutting up out of the ground everywhere. But the plains themselves contained nothing – nothing but holes in the ground leading to caves. In those (many) caves was loot, and deep down… the wool. I like the design of having lots of separate caves containing loot connected by a large main area, so that you can explore as much or as little as you care to. That said… the main area felt almost too big, and too empty. Like there was too much space between the caves which contained the actual challenges, making them hard to find. The caves were different and unique at first due to the crazy mix of custom mobs, and managed to even be a good challenge for once! However, after you’ve seen the first few, you’ve seen all of them – they don’t vary that much, and the cave with the wool is just a longer version of all the other caves. All in all, this area had a good challenge, but the caves still needed more variance, and the giant plain in the center could be cut down to size – just a little.

    Rating – 6/10

    Rising Waters(Light gray wool, Beto’s head):

    This area… well, it did look fairly nice, for a stone cave with water. After the challenge of Pillars of Creation, this area was astonishingly easy by comparison. The enemies consisted of custom mobs, but it seems to be the same bunch of custom mobs we’ve been fighting from previous area. We have: Invisible boot-wearing skeletons and zombies, lightly-armored enchanted bow skeletons, and a few other ones – none of them really stand out, and a lot of the spawners they come from are on “rotation”, meaning they spawn a different random mob each time. Not only does seeing the same few custom enemies after a few areas get boring, none of them are even particularly challenging. They’re just… slightly more dangerous than your common fodder, that’s all. None of them have any real identity, so they all sort of blend together as a generic mass of random enemies.

    There wasn’t anything particularly bad or good about this area – it wasn’t very interesting, but it did end fairly quickly, as most of the areas in the map do.

    Rating – 6/10

    I think I should talk about the story here. To keep you updated: The Bativian civilization had to leave the lush, fertile land they had at the start, because of a crippling drought. The areas so far appear to have been places they tried to settle, but failed… but I wouldn’t know, because the amount of lore books has been steadily decreasing! Dimension Cube/Intersection 1 had 4 areas, and 3 of them had lore books explaining about the area. Intersection 2? No books at all. And for Intersection 3, this is the only area with a lore book! We’ve also gotten one every time we’ve unlocked a new intersection, but that’s not a lot… I don’t expect a ton of story, I know it’s a nice bonus. It just feels bad to have consistent lore books for the first parts of the map only for them to suddenly dry up and disappear halfway through. Maybe the lore books dried up… just like the Bativian’s resources did??

    On The Edge(Red wool, Grumm’s head):

    At least this place wasn’t boring! The main gameplay of the area consists of a levels-type ordeal – you have layers of floating block floors, with so many holes you have to parkour constantly to stay on top, and you don’t want to be sent down plummeting to the floor because the good stuff and your way out are at the top. It’s a good concept with the potential for some exciting gameplay, and this area delivers… okay. The spawners spam huge amounts of mobs, with lots of projectiles (skeletons/blazes), and it’s VERY HARD to stay on top of anything. Many of the spawners seem to be sped up, and while you’re fighting on one level, you’re in range of spawners on the levels above and below you… basically, the mob spam in this area piles up VERY fast, and there’s almost no safe places to retreat to to clear out the mobs. Any platforms you want you have to build yourself. Expect to have to retreat several times just to not have too many blazes to realistically avoid. Furthermore, there isn’t really any penalty when you do fall down, save fall damage – the bottom is nice solid ground, and the mobs are the same on most of the levels – if each level had a differing theme and a different mob, with things slowly getting worse as you fell… that would make this area a lot cooler. As it is, it’s a lot of mob spam but the area doesn’t pack much punch.

    Rating – 6/10

    I should mention that around this point, I got the last upgrade for my class recipe book. How the command blocks work for the recipe book is, after unlocking the upgrade, when you hold an old recipe book, it will take it from you, and give you a new better recipe book. How it worked for ME is that it took away my old recipe book… but didn’t give me the new one. Turns out, when you lose your recipe book, whether it be to fire, lava, or glitch command blocks, you can NEVER get it back. Nobody knows why you couldn’t have just had a button that gives you the most recent one you’ve unlocked. But that’s how it is. Of course, I hadn’t been needing or using it before, and I didn’t need it after, either. Add it to the pile of reasons why classes aren’t really important at all.

    On a Pedestal(Green wool):

    Finally, we had an area a cut above the areas! This place’s gimmick was… fairly similar to that of “On The Edge”. This time, you have to navigate hole-filled bridges, dotted with pillars full of mobs. It’s manageable, but if you fall down, you’ll end up in a much worse place chock-full of tons of high-level custom enemies. It’s a good concept, and it could easily have been the entire area. Sadly, it’s only the first half, and the second half involves a lot of pillaring up while being fired upon by blazes and ghasts – something I’ve done before at least 5 times. One of which was in the “Netherrack Zone” from BTV3. I should note that for a lot of the later-game areas, while the gameplay gets more intense, many of the areas abandon aesthetics and are made up of insane nonsensical block variations. I mean… look at this picture. It doesn’t look good when it’s this dark, and it doesn’t look any better lit up with torches. It’s a pity, too, because the hand-crafted areas kkraft makes oftentimes look really good! Despite that, this area has had the best gameplay for a while.

    Rating – 7/10

    Main Street(Brown wool):

    A neat troll area. It seems like just a road over void with too many blazes and ghasts, but… none of the enemies will ever move or attack you. A nice break before the final areas.

    Rating – 7/10

    Platform to Platform(Blue wool, jeb_’s head):

    Red wool had you fighting and parkouring on a sparse hole-filled field of blocks, on multiple layers. Green wool had you fighting and parkouring on a sparse hole-filled field of blocks, moving from bridge to bridge. Now blue wool has us fighting and parkouring on a sparse hole-filled field of blocks… immediately above void. Not only do most of these areas seem to be going in reverse difficulty as we move down the wool monument, the three non-troll areas of the fourth intersection all use the same basic gameplay concept! Is it a bad one? Absolutely not! But… it would be nice to see something different…

    On its own merits: This area is really REALLY stressful and tense. Not from drawing you in with super-intense combat, but artificial tension added by having you only one finger slip away from being sent spiraling into infinite void. I count myself lucky I didn’t go into void once in this area. It was luck, and also the fire resistance potions I had on the entire time to protect against the blaze hordes. Those helped too.

    As you can see, you have to parkour your way from safe-er obsidian platform to obsidian platform. Many of them have not-unwelcome loot on them, and also enemies. Such as punch skeletons. And spider swarms. And ghasts with buffed fireball explosion power. Also, there are potions randomly falling from the sky for no particular reason. Which would be fine if there was some way to predict or avoid them, but considering the position of parkouring over void this area puts you in, dodging potions isn’t very plausible. This place is by far the most difficult area in Intersection 4, and if you did the areas in the “right” order, it would be a massive difficulty spike from Intersection 3! It was really intense, and I had fun with it – though only because I managed to stay above the void - , but it feels like too much! Of all the areas, this one could stand to be toned down a little!

    Rating – 6/10

    The Final Area(Black wool):

    This area re-used the same concept as Beneath The Void 3, but added a caveat: In addition to being cut off from your base entirely, it also put you in a different starting area depending on which class you picked – the areas reconnected, meaning you would “meet up” with your scattered allies as you moved forward. But… it only works if you’re playing the map with friends! People trying to play in singleplayer don’t get much love here. So I missed out on that aspect of the area, because I always play maps solo.

    The actual area itself was probably my favorite area in the entire map. It’s a long, brutal trek forward, with you trying to make it to the black wool with every elite mob you’ve seen so far resisting you every step you take. Instead of bridging to void island after void island, you’re advancing through a variety of different environments. One bad thing I noticed is that there were a few TOO many natural spawns, especially around the place the map dropped me into. Thankfully, it ceased once I got further into the area. The area’s lowest point was definitely the final part – a redux of the very first area you entered, but with most of the spawners swapped out for elite custom mobs, and the loot left untouched. It would be interesting if only the original area’s basic structure was used and a lot was changed to add tons of new stuff to the area, but the only major thing changed was that the floor was removed for the wool room – meaning you’ll need to bridge the void while under fire from ghasts and blazes and things. Not fun, and I’ve done it before a million times. Once you make it, you’re teleported back to the monument, and… that’s it!

    I liked this area. The ending was something of a disappointment, but I had fun with it overall, even without friends.

    Rating – 8/10

    Hall of Past Maps:

    Unlocked at the third “dimension cube”, this place contains snapshots of some past areas. Such as:

    Frozen Tundra

    Mayan Ruins

    Stairs to heav-Hell

    Village Swamp

    Void Walkway

    Spider Cavern

    Each one was unlocked as you placed more heads on the head monument. The area choices seemed rather odd – the majority of them actually codified some of the problems of the past maps, rather than being their best areas. In each one, you would be teleported through parts of the area in question – all while being held in a barrier-block cage, so essentially spectator mode. This seems to accomplish two purposes: One, advertising the other maps, two, giving nostalgia value. Since of course I’ve played the others in a row to get to this one, I should get the nostalgia value, but… I don’t think this place adds anything at all. It’s just letting you see some areas, but that doesn’t really tell you anything. Now, if it had let you play a short segment themed after the past area in question, and given a reward at the end, then it could have been something really cool. But the hallway in the map doesn’t even give you any sort of reward for finishing it! It just comes off as pointless.

    This wasn’t an area, just one of the side-areas for the Dimension Cube, but I still wanted to talk about it, so I’m not going to give it a number rating.


    And… that’s the end! We’re done with every map of Beneath The Void! 1, 2, 3, and 4! As of writing, there aren’t any more… but if a 5 is ever released, you bet I’ll review it! Now, before we actually go and talk about how this map compares to 3 and all that… there’s a few things about the map I haven’t found a good place to mention, but would still like to talk about.

    The Scrolls: Throughout the map, you were given special books called scrolls. When thrown on the ground, they would activate a special effect. These effects provided a ton of functions, and the scrolls made up a good portion of loot in the map. These scrolls generally went into a few main categories: A select few scrolls have good, useful effects that I like (Book of Safe Keeping – summons an enderchest to store things in), several have good, small effects but come in large numbers and are generally useless after you have a few stored up (Book of Charm – grants 10 XP levels). Then, there’s everything else – almost totally useless scrolls. For example, a lot of the scrolls have combat use (Book of Instability – weakens mobs around you), but, for that reason, you need them on your hotbar to get good use out of them. The problem: You’re FAR better off with potions than you are with scrolls. Even the more powerful ones are dwarfed by the all-purpose utility of just having a potion of instant health II to use instead. For that reason, scrolls are an interesting mechanic, but there really isn’t a reason to get into them and use a lot of them.

    The Head Monument: The head monument has been a staple of every BTV map. In 1 and 2, there were spawners that spawned minions with the heads guarding chests containing the heads in side-rooms. This mechanic was at its best in BTV3, with the head enemies being persistent mobs located in the middle of the areas as “minibosses” of sorts, generally being more powerful than the standard fare and making things more interesting when they showed up. In this map, all the heads are locked behind iron bars or in side-rooms, and they won’t fight you unless you go fight them. They’re still interesting encounters, but now they’re wholly optional, and I feel like that takes something away from them. This was the only BTV map where I actually managed to complete the head monument, though!

    The Story: This map is the only map I’ve played so far with enough story to get a story rating that isn’t N/A! However, the story is just… forgotten about towards the end. For the fourth copy of the dimension cube, we have lore books in 2 of the 4 areas. They each describe how the Bativians were looking in holes in the bedrock – in the void – for places to settle, and how they had to fight through hell and back just to survive down here, and still couldn’t find a place to settle. And then? It just… doesn’t continue. There weren’t any lore books in the final area, at least no that I found. I wasn’t ultra-thorough but if it was hidden anywhere designed to be found by everyone, I would have seen it. We’ll never know what happened to the Bativians or their efforts to colonize the void. Nobody will know. It’s a pity.

    Overall, this map… well, go back and look at my numeric ratings for a second. You’ll notice that for most of the areas, it’s a mire of 5s, 6s, and 4s, with the occasional 7 or 8. It doesn’t really go much lower or higher. There’s nothing catastrophically wrong with this map. No part of it is truly terrible or rage-inducing. It’s just… boring. A lot of parts of the map are boring. You have classes, but they hardly do anything. In the early areas, you only fight natural spawns despite your gear being far above their level, meaning they get slaughtered very easily. The custom mobs up their game as time goes by, but many of the custom enemies were repeated throughout the areas, and are never really “introduced” so much as just showing up. Many of the custom mobs are so random they feel more generic! Despite the fact that I fought the same ones so often, I can hardly remember any of them! On the aesthetics side, while there are exceptions, most of the areas are essentially just caves with weird block variations. They don’t look all that great. For functionality, most of the stuff in the map did work fine – the scrolls were even set up so that they wouldn’t all activate if you were to die and drop them in a deathpile – but the map taking my class recipe book away from me is a huge point against it.

    This map’s main, core problem is that it seemed to focus on having unique command block mechanics over having a good, challenging to map to use them in. There’s no reason to use most of the scrolls – I’m fine without them. Same for the class system! The teleporters, dimension cubes, and the monument is all very cool… but none of it matters at all, because the areas they leads to aren’t interesting. There are a few exceptions, but at the start, the areas have their own identity but are generally boring. By the end, many of the areas have devolved into random block and mob variations to the point where it would be hard to tell them apart! The last intersection of the map almost felt like playing one continuous area, rather than many separate ones… and that area went on too long.

    So, should you play it? It depends… I wouldn’t say it’s a COMPLETE waste of your time, but several of the mechanics – such as the classes, a few scrolls, and the final area – are really meant to be played in multiplayer. This map would be at least something of a fun ride with friends, but might not be the best use of your time if you want to play all alone.


    Gameplay: +++++----- 5/10

    Aesthetics: +++------ 3/10

    Functionality: +++++++--- 7/10

    Story: +++------- 3/10

    VERDICT: +++++----- 5/10

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    Beneath The Void 3


    Made by kkraft234

    For 1.8.x


    Style: Area-based

    The Mushroom Mile(spawn/white wool):

    It begins simply, with a nice forest-type area. It tricks you into thinking that that’s your first area. But no. Unlike the first maps, where the cave it dropped you in really was your first area, there’s a huge mushroom cave up ahead that’s the REAL first area:

    It’s… an interesting setting. The spawners aren’t concealed in the ground, thank goodness- they’re covered in easily identifiable blocks. There are a LOT of spawners though, and the place quickly gets filled with enemies if you don’t move fast. It’s a very short cave, but the spawners are mostly the same throughout. Chests with good starting supplies are scattered around everywhere, and altogether, it makes for a fairly challenging starting area. I appreciated it. And best of all – no randomized loot to be seen thus far! It could definitely be improved by toning down the huge amount of spawners. As it is, it’s hard to beat if you don’t dash through it.

    Rating – 6/10

    Old Miner’s Cave(orange wool):

    Deaths: 1 (Tried to rush final part)

    This area continues some of the trends that I like. A good amount of non-randomized loot. Spawners that are in logical locations rather than just random spots in the wall. However, it also starts to reveal a problem… even if this map fixes some of the problems of 1 and 2, the areas we’ve seen so far… just aren’t that interesting. The last area was a mushroom cave. This area is a sandstone cave. It’s okay to have simple settings, but this area doesn’t really change the way in which you fight enemies. It is again short, and at the end you have some blaze spawners to keep things interesting. It’s a fairly simple, fine area, if entirely un-memorable.

    Rating – 6/10

    Jungle Ravine(magenta wool):

    Deaths: 1(Mob swarm)

    This area has a mob spam problem! The area reminds me somewhat in the dormatories but in a different setting: Multiple paths, catwalks, and tunnels progressing through the same area. It’s all so close together that mobs are sure to build up to immense levels. The places you have to go to have simply terrible approaches – you have to descend into tiny rooms with vines or ladders, causing you to get swarmed by all manner of zombies, spiders, and creepers. It was generally a fast and hectic area, but the mobs just got so bad at some points that you pretty much had to retreat or burn through sword after sword trying to cut through them all. There was some grace given with the bountiful loot chests, at the very least. This area could probably be improved a lot by just letting us descend down with stairs rather than a 1x1 circle of vines that you can’t go back up. Or making it bigger with some more empty space for less mob spam!

    Rating – 5/10

    Into the Depths(Light blue wool):

    This area played fine, but was aesthetically uninspired. It was a stone cave that used diorite. Diorite was a new block when this map was made, but that didn’t make it NOT a stone cave. It’s just varying it with a new type of stone. The enemies you fight are fine, but the bottom portion with the wool is so laden with spawners, you never had time to break any because there were always more enemies spawning! However, there was one part about this area I really liked. One chest had a “Food pack” NBT-powered chest. Once you grabbed it out, a command block would helpfully inform you that you needed to place it on the ground to use it. Very nice! The redstone and command blocks seem a lot more stable in this map, particularly as compared to the first one.

    Rating – 6/10

    Intersection 2/Monument:

    This is one of the best Intersections/Monuments I’ve ever seen! It’s a nice, good-looking house that just feels cozy, and has enchantment stands and a brewing area and a base located in a natural way that looks good and is easy to modify as you see fit. The house is fairly small and has multiple floors (with proper stairs – no elevator crap), and each floor has one of the intersection areas branching off of it as well as a new part of the base. It feels really nice and is all and intersection and monument area should be!

    Rating – 9/10

    House in the Woods(Yellow Wool):

    What I liked best about this area was the variance. First, you had the approach to the house in the woods (pictured), then you were inside the house, then you reached a dungeon in the house’s basement. It helped capture a good sense of progression, and I hope to see more like it. Most of the spawners were hidden in hard-to-find locations, and there were lots of them spawning many regular enemies. At this point, our own gear can easily cut these enemies down. It would have been better to replace several of the normal spawners with a few elite enemy spawners – though that’s not a complaint with this area but more the Beneath The Void maps in general! Once you get past the usual mob spam, this area was of above-average quality.

    Rating – 7/10

    Village Swamp(Lime wool):

    For once, a swamp area without witches! It didn’t have much else interesting in it, though. Spawners are lined across the shore and ceiling of the river you follow, rather than in the walls, which is nice. As you go through the area, the water in the river you’re following gets deeper, which does create a valuable sense of progression… but doesn’t really change how the area plays. You have a few short side-paths to take for some extra loot, but it’s a very linear area beyond that. The first part of this area feels well-designed enough, even though it ends up being simpler to swim past the spawners rather than break them. Once you reach the village part of the area, however, it’s a little disappointing. The map doesn’t really change things up aside from the area you’re fighting in being a village. You end up fighting the same enemies in mostly the same way the entire way through – the spawners are all in the open, rather than inside the tiny houses. Again, there isn’t anything in particular that’s wrong with this area, but it wasn’t very interesting, either.

    Rating – 6/10

    Plantation Ruins(Pink wool):

    A setting I haven’t seen much before; a farm with real food still there to harvest! This farm makes up the first part of the area, but it’s really… empty. There isn’t much there except scattered food and natural enemies. Proceed through it, and you’ll make it to the second portion, a segment where you proceed through crowded and cramped gravel tunnels. This is definitely the area’s low point, with all the tunnels feeling like the exact same thing. They’re easy to cut through and relatively boring. Finally, you make it to the wool room, which looks really nice and is a fair challenge – even if it continues to spam regular mobs at you and hide the spawners. It was okay, but the gravel tunnels underneath the plantation could definitely have been shortened quite a bit.

    Rating – 6/10

    Intersection 3:

    To start, we have a teleporter back. That’s good. But this intersection has a problem similar to BTV2’s intersection 3, in that it doesn’t explain itself very well. Or at all. See, on the wall, there’s many bedrock-type structures in the shape of portals. When you approach some of them, they’ll turn into nether portals that teleport you to the next area. It’s neat, and works perfectly well when you figure it out, but it would probably take any group of players a few minutes to realize how it works. A book saying “approach the non-crumbling stonebrick portals” would have helped immensely.

    One more thing. Throughout the map, there’s been some bonus collectibles for us to find: Bedrock keys. In the first area, we got a book telling us how they worked, and each area since then has had 1 key in it. The way they work is really neat, and I managed to get them all. But the book promised they would unlock for us “a room full of good loot” and what they actually unlocked was… not that. It’s a shop, which lets you buy 3 things with your exp levels. Regeneration potions. Prot 2 enchanted books. Knockback 1 enchanted books. Not useless, but extremely underwhelming since this loot has been built up and fought for throughout all of intersections 1 and 2. I would have been much happier if there just been a room full of chests getting us set up for Intersection 3.

    Rating – 7/10

    A Dark Knight(Cyan wool):

    Deaths: 1(Accidental fall while leaving area)

    After figuring out how the intersection worked, I headed here first. The first part of the area is pretty much a swarm of natural spawns from spawners I could hardly see, but after that it gets better. Running around on catwalks, using teleporters, and exploring plenty of interesting and unique side-rooms makes for a very interesting area. This whole place had a lot of much-needed supplies, making it feel very rewarding to explore every side-room I could. When you make it to the end, it at first has an interesting gimmick: All your torches are deleted upon placement by a dark magic aura, forcing you to work without them for a little while. Taking away one of your tools forces you to change things up, but the area isn’t designed so that you’ll be helpless without them. However, it starts to fall apart when you get closer to the bottom, and Elder Guardians take away your pickaxe, leaving you with no way to deal with spawners until you beat the area for good. Then there’s a chest with a block of sand above it, but since you can’t break the sand or the chest… At least, you do get to fight the Elder Guardians at the end of the area, and it’s probably the most challenging thing we’ve had so far! We’ve gotten to the point where we have enchanted iron/chain gear for most of our stuff, and the map is still throwing natural spawns at us – just increasing numbers of them. It’s actually used less custom mobs than BTV 1 and 2 so far! I hope we start seeing a shift to having tougher run-of-the-mill enemies to fight, or the difficulty of the map will continue to fall. This area had a few stutters, but a good basic concept and a good fight at the end.


    The Quarry(Gray wool):

    It’s a cave! Most of this area was more of a quarry-themed cave than anything, but it did have a few buildings and rooms to keep things interesting. There wasn’t anything wrong with it, but again, not much interesting about it either. It could have used more custom mobs or something else game-changing. It’s a very simple area as-is. Little memorable about it.

    Rating – 6/10

    Underwater Temple(Light gray wool):

    Water areas! Water combat is very hard to get right in Minecraft. Many people reading won’t remember Vech’s “Endless Deep”. The reason why they won’t remember it is because Vechs made the map hard to find; it was an example of water combat done wrong. This area too, is an example of water combat done wrong. At the start, you have a village with houses, spawners, and loot chests with some water-related gear to help you. A fair start. Sadly, no depth strider is available. Then, you enter into the area’s second portion: A water maze. Now, water mazes can be a terrible, terrible thing as certain other maps have shown me, and this one isn’t particularly good, but it has loot chests and doesn’t go on too long, so it is at least bearable. But once you make it through, you’re dropped into the THIRD part: The water caves (pictured). This is where things go bad. First off, this is a terrible environment to fight guardians in. They’re giant, empty caves, when fighting guardians is about using cover and the environment to avoid their lasers. With no environment to work off of, you pretty much have to stay low to the ground and build a pillar whenever a guardian attacks. Hope you have lots of blocks! About the giant, empty caves… they’re GIANT! You have to swim through them agonizingly slowly, and worse yet – they aren’t linear, they have a lot of side-paths, forcing you to spend minutes swimming to get one loot chest that isn’t nearly worth it. The way to Intersection 4 is hidden down here too, but it’s separate from the wool, meaning you’ll probably find it and then have to keep exploring to get to the wool, then find your way all the way back once you have it!

    After what’s probably about 15-20 minutes spent doing nothing but swim forward, you’ll finally reach the actual temple, an itty-bitty building in a big round cavern. And what’s the wool guarded by? A guardian nest, or anything else interesting? No, it’s guarded by a nice, dry room, with skeletons, zombies, and creepers. Just like everything else. This area is without a doubt, the worst in the map, and should be totally reworked. Better yet, just cut out the huge cave section and have the maze lead to the temple – the caves suck away any goodwill I had for the first parts.

    Rating – 3/10

    Intersection 4:

    Our gateway to the map’s final areas! This intersection has an obsidian/bedrock/sea lantern aesthetic going on, and it actually looks fairly nice with the lighting. None of the area have name signs, though, so I took the liberty of naming some of the areas myself. Furthermore, the Brown Wool is hidden at the very bottom of the intersection, in a rather obscure place – I was able to find it, but I can see a lot of people missing it. This intersection is fine. Nothing special but at least it looks nice.

    Rating – 7/10

    Void Zone(Blue wool):

    As far as void areas go… I thought this one was okay! We FINALLY had some custom mobs (speed-boosted zombies and spiders), making the area feel tense and threatening for the first time in a while. The area is short enough to not overstay its welcome, which was good. Again, there isn’t anything wrong with this area. It could have used more loot to make up for the whole “void” thing, but other than that, I thought it was fine! The fortress at the end is the best part, being fun to tackle and a good challenge for the end of the map.

    Rating – 7/10

    Bedrock zone(Green wool):

    This area began with a 2-block high and full of random bedrock blocks. Throughout were zombie spawners. It sounds simple, but it created an interesting dynamic: While you’re trying to get through, the zombie spawners will quickly spawn many zombies, forcing you to move in ways so as not to get cornered while also trying to reach your objective. The only problem was, well… we have diamond armor at this point. Getting caught by the zombies isn’t really a threat at all.

    Once we make it through that, we have another area of bridges suspended above void. It’s roughly the same challenge as blue, deal with projectile and melee enemies while being only a few hits away from a void death. I had hoped to get something different for this last area. There’s nothing special to say about it, other than void.

    Rating – 6/10

    Netherrack Zone(Purple Wool):

    This area felt like a rather generic final area. A big netherrack area with a lot of custom enemies – though none of them memorable or notable – and a lot of spawners. There are a few notable points, such as at the start, when it offers you a “choice” between blaze protection (an iron chestplate with Fire Prot 3) and skeleton protection (an iron chestplate with Proj Prot 3). Of course, I have diamond armor with regular protection, so I needed neither. The final part puts you in a huge room and gives you ladders and blocks with which to scale a giant obsidian pillar to make it to the wool box at the top. It’s been done before, but at least it was challenging and felt epic! As long as you take the corners of the pillar, things will be fairly easy. This area felt more like filler than a real inspired area – there was so little unique about it. A good note to mapmakers – make sure all your areas have a clear idea behind them, or something that makes it unique. Don’t just churn out areas in the middle just so you can meet the standard CTM 16 wool mark. If you see no point to making a whole new area, you can always put another wool in one of your older areas and add onto it. This area just didn’t feel inspired or necessary at all, and this isn’t the first area in the map that’s felt that way.

    Rating – 5/10

    Final Dungeon(Red and Black wool):

    To begin, we had an incredible build-up. One of the areas branching off of I4 had a book telling you about the final dungeon: Once you were in, there was no going out. Your spawn was set. You only had the gear you could carry in your inventory, plus anything in your enderchest. Then, to enter, you had to throw that info book into a fire.

    Once you were inside, you would be greeted with what is pictured. Now, the intro for the map on the forums said that BTV3 would be a “survival based” map, where you had to scavenge for resources. Yet, I never had to farm once during my whole time playing the map. This is the only area where I actually felt like I was in a survival map, moving from island to island, gathering resources. Now, considering we’re cut off from our main base, and all our backup gear, it could be an incredible risk to have our last area be “bridging over void”. But it works. Why? Because the map gives you loot. Loot like there’s no tomorrow. All the loot you could want! Chests full of swords and armor! The islands have wood, coal, and iron deposits to mine! And better yet, this area also contains an item that totally changes things, my favorite item I have ever received in a CTM: The Void Net. As long as you hold it in your inventory, it will “catch” you if you fall into the void. The book that came with it implied it would wear out with use, and sometimes it would be buggy and fire off prematurely, but it saved my life several times over, and I didn’t even end up breaking it – though I got at least 40 uses out of it, many. It was the best.

    That said. The area is long. REALLY long. Islands go off in both direction, and expand outwards for QUITE a ways. It took me several hours to beat the area. I liked the concept of slowly getting more and more OP resources while you moved from island to island, but if this area doesn’t strike you as fun, it can wear you down very fast. Also… it looks terrible. Bedrock and some blocks that aren’t bedrock sometimes. Definitely a bad aesthetics score here. This area has a lot of custom mobs, some of which are fun (a miniboss skeleton with a punch bow, but the skeleton can’t move), some of which are crap (“boomtown” creepers that instantly explode), but at least it keeps things feeling varied. At the end of it all, of course, you have the final black wool dungeon. It’s made up of multiple parts – a castle with too many enemies to beat any way other than sprinting through, a sewer section so easy it feels like a breather, and one final, last, desperate descent to the wool, on wooden platforms with blazes everywhere – and it all felt like a good, epic finish.

    This was a good dungeon. I liked it. It could’ve been shorter, but I had fun. It was good. I want to see more like this.

    Rating – 8/10


    Beneath The Void 3… is a good map. Is it a great, amazing map? No. Did it have some real effort put into it, and managed to be a cut above most of the maps I review here? Yes! It improves significantly on the previous maps – though the mob spam problems and wonky loot distribution haven’t been completely excised, almost every other area has seen some real improvements. The difficulty remains consistent throughout, rather than going all over the place. While the final area in a lot of maps of this type can be a disappointment, this map’s final area was actually a really good challenge! The one thing that was really hit-or-miss in this map would definitely be the aesthetics. Some areas, like A Dark Knight, looked fairly inspired, while other areas used simple, bland, trite block variations like the area I dubbed “Netherrack Zone” – it’s a meaningful name! But the effort of the aesthetics in any given area also indicated how much inspiration had gone into the area as a whole. Several of the areas could have been removed with very little lost, they were just so generic! I would have rather seen second wools in areas like The Dark Knight rather than the “Netherrack Zone” or “The Quarry”. In terms of functionality, there was about as much redstone in this map as there was in BTV2 – that is, plenty powering teleporters and intersections, but not much used to spice up the areas you fought through. However, all of it worked much better than the last map. I had few technical problems this time around.

    So, overall… should you play it? Well, again, if you liked the previous ones at all, you’ll like this one the best. If you’ve played through all the “major” maps and are looking for a lesser-known one to fill your time, this one might be your jam. It depends. Soon, we’ll see how the FOURTH one in the series holds up…

    Oh, and… in the end, I became one with the void.


    Gameplay: +++++++--- 7/10

    Aesthetics: +++++----- 5/10

    Functionality: +++++++++- 9/10

    Story: N/A

    VERDICT: +++++++--- 7/10

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    Eye of the Storm

    7/17/17 (Hey! Neat!)

    Made by Kunii

    For 1.8.x


    Style: Area-based


    Immediately upon spawning in, you’re given some supplies, and made to walk down a spiral while collecting wood and reading some signs. It’s a very simple start, but not a bad one. Some maps can have a simple, peaceful start and then slowly walk up a difficulty curve, while others can have starts that try to show you more of what the map is all about. This start, if anything, tried to show that the mapmaker was “nice”, by having a cobwebs-dropping-into-lava trap, except the cobwebs had a chest with enderpearls close enough to grab, potentially allowing you to save yourself if you’re fast. It’s the exact sort of trap I like; the type designed to be escaped and make the player feel good about themselves. This map sets off on the right foot, more or less.

    Rating – 7/10

    Intersection 1: A nice little base, and the intersection looks really nice and is safe. It’s everything I like about intersections.

    Rating – 7/10

    The Grove(White clay):

    This area was very short and simple. It looks fairly nice, a well-decorated stonebrick cave. There’s a few spawners scattered around and natural spawns but nothing is particularly threatening. It doesn’t have anything special, but it’s an okay short, simple starting area. There isn’t anything wrong with it, but nothing great about it either.

    I should take this time to talk about the map’s loot distribution. So far, we’ve been given protection leather armor, and a sharp 3 Unbreaking 5 stone sword as our best loot, with plenty of more basic loot to back us up and wood to make more tools with (no cobble, however). We’ve also been given exceedingly generous portions of food (remember though, 1.8 map). This area contained entirely regular monsters in small numbers, making it easy to cut through them. The loot we’ve been given far exceeds the threat level of the monsters in this area. It’s okay to be fairly easy since this map isn’t exactly giving off “mega hard” vibes and this is without a doubt the earlygame. As we move along, however, we’ll see that the map frontloaded a lot of its loot, and supplies start to get a lot scarcer as we move forward – hold onto the stuff you get early on!

    Rating – 5/10

    NOTE: This map uses colored hardened clay instead of wool!

    Swamp of Souls(Orange clay):

    This area was again, fairly simple and easy. It’s primary gameplay consisted of approaching islands while swimming up to them and then taking out the spawners before they could spawn anything. I say “before they can spawn anything”, because these spawners aren’t primed – “Primed” means they immediately drop enemies upon moving into range. Done poorly, un-primed spawners means the areas will be devoid of enemies to fight. Done well, un-primed spawners can add an element of strategy, forcing you to try to destroy the spawners before they spawn in a tight situation, or trying to decide which ones are the most important to destroy before the spawners can get their enemies out. Here, it’s done… okay. Since the spawners are on small islands, which you can approach by slowly swimming up to them, they will SOMETIMES have enough time to spawn things. But most of the time, I was able to destroy them before they could fire off even one handful of enemies. This area is still very easy – but we’re still at the beginning of the map, so it’s okay. We also see our first custom enemies – zombies that drop instant damage potions when they die and have leather armor. Sadly, though, they’ll only very rarely get the chance to spawn, because you can generally destroy their spawners before they activate. I had to wait for some to spawn just so I could see them. If anything, this area could have been a little bit harder, by having something to make the approach to the islands more difficult/time consuming – lift them out of the water another block or two, and then the spawners might get a few more seconds to pop out enemies. This area is almost too easy in its current form.

    Rating – 5/10

    (I forgot to take a picture here, just imagine a big stonebrick maze and you'll have the area)

    Arcane Dormitories(Magenta clay):

    This is a maze area! Despite having a fairly interesting premise (not just dormitories, but MAGIC dormitories), it ends up coming off as a fairly uninteresting place. It’s a stonebrick maze consisting of nothing but 3x3x3 hallways, some side-rooms with a few chests, and plenty of cobwebs and cave spiders. It’s at its best when it tries to vary things, such as having one of the hallways be blocked off almost entirely by cobwebs with cave spiders inside. But for the majority of it, it’s roughly the same thing, just trying to fight your way through a fairly unthreatening maze. This area gets boring fast, and it’s by far the longest area we’ve had so far. It definitely needs to have more interesting things happen as you proceed through the maze. Add a few bigger rooms with more enemies, or more hallways that have something special about them! As it is, it’s just a very simple maze area that isn’t fun to play through.

    Rating – 4/10

    Wizard’s Tower(Light blue clay):

    This area was connected to the previous magenta clay maze area, with no easy way back. Luckily, it was short enough to be easily pushed through so you could make it to the second intersection. The first thing you notice upon entering the area is the wizard tower (pictured), and… it looks weird. Really weird. Like, look at this:

    I’m not entirely sure what to make of it. Once you get inside of it, you have to advance upwards while destroying spawners on each floor. It’s a simple but solid concept for an area, and it works fairly well here – at least, there was generally enough enemies for me to fight as I moved upwards. There’s also a lot of holes in each floor’s floor, presumably to have you dealing with enemies dropping from above as you dealt with whatever was happening on the floor you were on – the only problem is, there aren’t really enough enemies for this to really work. It does at least make the environment a little more interesting. Once you make it to the top and get the clay, you need to build up with blocks yourself to get on the ceiling of the tower in order to find the next intersection. It isn’t exactly a hidden intersection, but it would’ve been great if there had been a sign telling you this, since I can see newer players totally missing it. This area again could have used a little more variation as you progressed, but it was short enough to not get boring. It did at least use two types of “wizard” enemies, one weaker version and a stronger version. That’s a step in the right direction.

    Rating – 6/10

    Intersection 2: It’s a simple little place, and it even has my favorite thing: A teleporter to Intersection 1! Wonderful! And a base-type place, too!

    Rating – 7/10

    Peaceful Valley(Yellow clay):

    This area looked nice! It’s a giant plain that is more-or-less a straight shot to the wool. There’s some side-caverns with spawners and iron ore, but those are optional. The main enemies populating the plain are killer bunny spawners, in singular spawners lying out in the open. This valley is again, rather boring. Even with the “lush, green valley” setup, there’s a lot that could be done to make this area more interesting. Have a river with a bridge over it, except the bridge has plenty of killer bunner spawners, and the river is full of guardians. Have a big tower in the middle, with loot and enemies. As it is, the only things really making this area pop out are some trees here and there and the optional side-caverns – of which you only really need to harvest one. The end is the best part, with you having to scale a steep cliff face with monster spawners on it to reach the wool. But the whole area should be full of interesting challenges, rather than just having a big, boring, ceiling-less tunnel with one challenge at the end.

    Rating – 4/10

    The Pyramid(Lime clay):

    Deaths: 1 (Blaze attack)

    What a steep upwards slope! This area has an interesting concept: You’re climbing this huge pyramid, but you can’t just jump up the sides, because you’ll occasionally be stopped by barriers. So you’ll need to use enemy-filled tunnels that go into the pyramid to switch sides on the pyramid, so you can progress further. It’s a neat concept, and the tunnels are fairly interesting to play through, again using un-primed spawners well by having lots of them that you have to break before they start spawning. It even varies its challenge towards the end by using blazes and charged creepers. The main problems with it are that A: The area is entirely devoid of loot and B: The area is incredibly easy to cheese your way through – all you have to do is dig under the barrier blocks. Other than that, it’s a fine area.

    Rating – 6/10

    Dead Space(Pink clay):

    This area had a neat central idea – at the start, you’re given a chest full of 16-minute long level 15 jump boost potions (that could easily be used in other areas; it’s generally better to use command blocks for this purpose), and made to complete a parkour-type area where you have to ascend by jumping from cloud to cloud. But that’s just the setup; doing parkour to travel upwards. In general, you want to have some more meat in the area and enemies to fight. And, this area, well… it had none. There are custom mob spawners, but none of them got a chance to spawn anything. When I stopped and waited for some to spawn so I could see them, the spawner spun up, then did its particle flame poof and slowed down again… but didn’t actually spawn anything. All the spawners in this area were either broken or didn’t get enough time to spawn (I didn’t test them all). For that reason, this area is nothing but parkour… and it gets boring quite quickly!

    Rating – 2/10 for being bugged

    Intersection 3:

    This is a quiet little place, that actually breaks the standard somewhat by having a little challenge at the bottom, with some enemies guarding some gold ore piles. However, it doesn’t come with any teleport to Intersection 2. After the second intersection had a perfectly good teleport to the first, it’s jarring NOT to see one here, especially since the previous area was a huge parkour zone needing jump boost potions to traverse. You’re in for a lot of annoyance if you don’t want to leave your old loot behind.

    Rating – 7/10 Lack of teleporter, but the gold ore challenge was a good idea

    Forgotten Monument:

    The monument! It’s perfectly serviceable, and comes with a little base to store our stuff and even some loot. Tons of food, lots of Protection II iron armor, and some good weapons. It doesn’t do anything special, again, but it’s a perfectly good monument.

    Rating – 7/10

    The Hallway(Gray clay):

    This area was a simple, troll-type area. I won’t spoil the trap, but it’s a fairly interesting idea. Short areas with one central trap like this are good in small numbers to mix things up in the map.

    Rating – 7/10

    All Charged Up(Light gray clay):

    This area began very slowly, with un-primed creeper spawners on platforms above lava that were easy to destroy. But as you moved down a level, the spawners down below had time to spin up while you worked on the top ones, meaning it got a little more intense. Once you made it inside to the “second” part, you were descending down several repetitive rooms, with the exact same design each time. It initially seemed boring and lazy, but once the supercharged creepers started spawning, the entire environment just got DESTROYED, and you just had to try and survive all the explosions! The second part of this area was probably the most fun I’ve had with the map, despite the lackluster starting portion of the area.
    Rating – 7/10

    Intersection 4: Another quiet, unremarkable little spot. But… it doesn’t have any teleporter back! Come on!

    Rating – 5/10

    Shurima’s Desert(Cyan clay):

    This area’s start was just a giant, huge, empty desert. Gold ore was scattered about everywhere, but there was nothing guarding it. It was just a giant, empty field of nothing. At night, you could fight natural spawns, but that was it. Sure, there was the occasional lava trap, but the sand falling down would disable most of them. Having huge, giant, pointless swaths of land in a CTM map is almost always terrible. It was bad when Pantheon did it and it’s bad here. There’s no point to adding long, pointless, boring walks to get to your destination. None.

    Once you made it to the “end” – a fortress consisting of two branching spawner-filled hallways, again devoid of anything interesting (or any loot), just much more filled with enemies – things got a little more exciting. At the end, you actually had a boss fight against a fairly unique boss. The only problem was that they were very tanky, and had Thorns on their armor, meaning that if you tried to fight more than one, you could die even if the boss never hit you just by thorns damage. I’ll go on a rant about Thorns and how broken it is some other time. But for now, it makes this boss much less fun than it could have been.

    The boss fight was interesting, but most of this area was boring nothingness. There’s little to do except go straight to the boss, beat it, and leave. There isn’t even one loot chest in this entire area, at least that I saw! Just like Peaceful Valley, it definitely needs more going on to spice it up and make it more exciting.

    Rating – 3/10

    The Black Castle(Purple Clay):

    The outside of this area was fairly simple. Some spawners scattered around, but nothing too threatening. The loot chests you see are the first ones we’ve seen in a fair while, and they’re the only ones in the area. Once you make it inside, it’s a giant obsidian maze consisting of many interconnected rooms filled with spawners. It isn’t terrible, but it quickly gets repetitive, especially with no loot around. Having to protect loot chests from the creepers would have singlehandedly made this area far more interesting and engaging. Things are finally mixed up towards the end, with a brief barrier maze. This area could definitely be better by having the interconnected obsidian rooms having more to differentiate themselves from each other. As it is, it gets boring fast. It was at least fairly short.

    Rating – 5/10

    The Void(Blue clay):

    Deaths: 3(Void)

    The area is as you see it before you. Catwalks and platforms, suspended above void connected by 1-block-wide pathways. It comes with all the standard issues of a void-based challenge area: That a single mistake, a single arrow, creeperblast, or even a finger slip, will send you careening into an infinite death that will irrevocably destroy your entire inventory. The difference between this void area and other, better versions of its type is that nothing is given to balance out this sudden upwards spike in difficulty, and downwards spike in forgiveness. Not a single loot chest is found throughout the area. Not one. No enderpearls, no feather falling boots, no water, no anything. This area, like Shurima’s Desert, like The Pyramid, like Peaceful Valley, like a LOT of the map, has not one chest containing a vital drop of precious, precious loot to be found. And here is where it is least acceptable.

    Loot located in the areas you’re conquering is a vital part of any map. In most maps, particularly ones from the “super hard” mapmaking era, you’ll always see signs telling you to take the “fun path”. You have to take the fun path, take the fun path or you’re a bad map-player, etc., etc… And most players will take the fun path! If you asked them why, some players will puff out their chests, and spout on about honor and the importance of not ruining your own experience. However… those players are liars or fools! Any experienced CTM player knows the REAL reason.

    Imagine an imaginary scenario. You have a fortress laid into a cliff. The fortress gives you a path full of ladders, stairs, and lots and LOTS of enemies that leads to the wool, placed on top of the cliff. Now… why would most people go through the castle, instead of simply digging through the cliff or building a bridge to bypass the whole thing? Sure, some mapmakers will put a bunch of ghast or blaze spawners in the roof. Unsightly, but it prods most players… or does it? The truth is, as you advance through maps, and especially as you start to reach their endgame, most players will generally be able to handle these spawners, even when they’re in midair. So why will most people choose to go into the castle? The truth is… most players know what’s in that castle. Chests. Chests containing good things which will help them in future areas! In other words: LOOT!

    The loot is a crucial pact between the map’s maker and the map’s player. The player promises – unspoken, of course – not to break everything intentionally and then complain online about it being too hard/easy, and the mapmaker promises to provide them a positive feedback loop of new items for them to use or store away just in case.

    But with no loot, the “fun path” turns into the “unrewarding path”. And one of the most major problems I’ve seen with the map thus far is that almost all of the loot is in safe zones everyone will encounter, clustered in large amounts – the intersections, the monument, a safe zone in front of the clay box – and very, very little is in the actual areas where you do all the fighting and effort. The last area with loot in it that I remember was All Charged Up, which had one platform full of chests guarded by a few creepers, and that was it. And to see a void area, of all areas, like this, utterly devoid of any rewards save progression for subjecting yourself to multiple inventory wipes… it hurts. At the very least, the 4-stack of skeletons and blazes you had to fight on tiny platforms at the end was interesting.

    Rating – 3/10

    The Pass(Brown Clay):

    Located as a teleport right out of the previous void area, with no easy way back! Of course! Getting past that, the area itself is fairly simple. It’s a giant netherbrick cave, full of lava and spawners. It’s pretty much just a straight run to the wool and next intersection. Once again, no loot chests are in sight, leaving you no reason to do anything BUT sprint through it. The only really interesting part was the very end when you have to approach the wool box on a bridge, with the fleecy box guarded by 5 blaze spawners… but the spawners aren’t primed, giving you plenty of time to get in the fleecy box and break the spawners from underneath. There isn’t much remarkable about this area, and it mostly serves as a big transition between intersections 4 and 5. It could really do with some more interesting things that make you stop… like towers or side-rooms containing loot.

    Rating – 4/10

    Intersection 5:

    The intersection begins by giving us a teleporter(yay) and giving us a book saying that this intersection is dedicated to great mapmakers of the past. Each of the map’s final areas draws inspiration from some mapmaker of the past – ColdfusionGaming, Amlup, and of course, Vechs for black clay. It’s okay to make areas as tribute, and thankfully, the areas themselves didn’t feel particularly copied. But you need to be careful not to lose your own creative spin and identity in giving tribute. The intersection itself is just boring bridges above lava, but at least it has a teleporter and base.

    Rating – 7/10

    The Azarian Mines(Green clay):

    This area had 2 parts: A simple, boring stone cave with some trees and ponds was the first. The spawners consisted of random natural spawned enemies, buried in walls or exposed. It didn’t matter. There were a few chests around, but they only contained small portions of food, an item which the monument chests already gave in massive quantities. The second part was the titular Azarian mines, which contained lots of ore (finally, a reason to stop and clear the areas) and the clay. None of the mobs or gameplay was particularly interesting, since everything you fought were easily butchered regular monsters from spawners scattered everywhere you looked. There wasn’t much notable or unique about this area, aside from being your diamond supplier for endgame. Considering that this is one of the map’s lategame/endgame areas, it’s really too easy! It could do with some more intensity, and better loot in the chests!

    Rating – 4/10

    All Hypercharged Up(Red clay):

    Deaths: 2 (Creeper explosions)

    This area, at least, did something new! After the start you see in the picture, you entered a large bedrock tower. From there, you had to descend down multiple floors, while creepers of all types attacked you – just like Supercharged up! The difference is, while half the fun of Supercharged up was everything getting destroyed, here, we’re in a bedrock tower, so there’s none of that. Just a lot of you getting blown every which way. The first part is okay, but about a third of the way in, it introduced the new mob: Hypercharged creepers. These guys were EVIL. They had incredibly fast speed – enough that by the time you saw them, they were already right next to you. They also had no fuse timer – by the time you saw them, they were right next to you, AND they had already exploded. What’s more, they had insane damage. I had Prot 2 iron armor, and a point-blank shot could one-shot me. I could survive by blocking with my sword, but even then they would shred right through my health. All fought in the very uninteractive “bedrock hallway” environment.

    My problem with these creepers is that there isn’t any good way to counter them. Their one weakness is that they have no health bar – one good hit, and they drop. But with no fuse and their extremely fast speed, the only good way of killing them is luck or stealth – and since the environment is entirely small bedrock hallways, you can’t really levy either of those options to your advantage. If the environments were bigger, or designed in ways that gave you a good way of approaching the creepers, then they would have been better off – as it is, there isn’t much to do but inevitably take them to your face and hope you survive!

    The dungeon itself goes on for a really long time, and doesn’t change much – you’re in winding bedrock hallways, fighting the same 3 varieties of creepers, used in roughly the same ways. Things get monotonous, and I was ready for it to end a good while before it did. That said, these creepers were one of the few things I faced in the map that was actually a threat. Even if it wasn’t a very fair threat.

    Rating – 3/10

    Davion Fortress(Black Clay):

    For the final area, we have a massive fortress, filled to the brim with tons and tons of spawners. There’s too many enemies to clear out all the spawners, so the area ends up being a desperate run through a fortress rapidly filling with uncountable numbers of foes. When played like that, it’s a fun enough area, though it doesn’t do much interesting. It works well enough for a final challenge. It was, at least, a challenge. I wish there was more to say about it, but there isn’t.

    Rating – 6/10

    And we’re done.


    I saw nothing special about this map. It isn’t terrible, but it doesn’t do anything interesting either. Save for All Hypercharged Up and The Void, the difficulty is fairly low throughout, meaning it could be a good challenge for new players, at least. None of the areas felt really inspired, with most of them boiling down to one challenge done over and over… with the possible exception of Dead Space. As far as looks go, things felt interesting in the earlier parts, with valleys and big bright areas, but things felt more and more fatigued as time went on, with caves made of dark nether blocks and a reliance on bedrock and stone brick. Each area did play differently from the areas before it, but there was little variance within the areas themselves – you generally did the same thing and fought the same enemies over and over. And of course, the biggest problem with the map is that there’s little loot in the areas you’re fighting through, making everything feel less rewarding. Add more loot, and more going on in the areas in general, and something better could be made out of this map. But, altogether, this map is very average. It isn’t painful to play, but it isn’t very fun either. You could probably find other, better maps instead, and spend your limited free time playing them.


    Gameplay: ++++----- 4/10

    Aesthetics: ++++++---- 6/10

    Functionality: ++++++++-- 8/10

    Story: N/A

    VERDICT: +++++----- 5/10

    Posted in: Maps Discussion
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