Oh, okay. Thanks. I did know of that bug, it just didn't occur to me.

And congratulations on the CaptainSparklez video and the news forum post!

IT'S FINALLY HERE! HYPE!

Oh my grod, this is amazing. Excellent work Phoenix, I always love your creations.

It's true, I take back a little of what I said earlier. There is nothing lazy about voice chat. As I said before, convenience and easiness =/= laziness.

I favor the in-game chat, but only because I like to keep my identity safe on-line. I only use voice chat and face-cam when I am planning to talk to someone I know in real life, someone I know by meeting them in person and shaking their hand.

But the other reason you would want a voice chat is timing. Not only is timing good for jokes, but let's say somebody asked a question. If you're a slow typer, like me, when you finally answer the question the conversation in the chat has probably moved on. It's why there are such abbreviations like k, u, r, and y. I find myself using abbreviations like k and not capitalizing or spelling words correctly just for the inefficiency of typing. Remember, in-game chat is also live chat, not a forum.

For the automation thing, I understand your preference, but I do like to automate things. My main style of building is steam-punk, and what steam-punk is all about is -- well, that everything is powered by steam. Everything in a steam-punk style world is automated or at least seems to be automated.

Now, I do disagree that automating things is lazy. I think it's more of a convenience. Let's say you were planning on making a few iron golems for your village, but you have no iron, just iron ore -- and then you had to do homework, or something. In a situation where you had an automated furnace room, you could quickly place all of your iron ore into a chest, and run off to do whatever you needed to do, and come back to see that all of your iron is finished. If it wasn't automated, you would have to watch over your iron while it's cooking, and every time a stack is done, you'd have to put in another stack, and when your coal burns up, you'd have to put in a stack of that, too. By the time you finished, whatever else you had to do would of had to wait for a long time. Most people simply don't have enough time to sit there watching a furnace.

That probably wasn't the best example, and it was a bit long-winded too, but I guess it worked.

I might be able to help, but I'm not too familiar with this Project Red mod, so I don't really know how to help you.

You're in my computer? Well, I don't have to move then, my location is already on the computer. Huzzah!

EDIT: OH GOD COMIC SANS MY WORST NIGHTMARE

I've fallen into the trap. Help me! The Comic Sans MS...it's killing me from the inside!

I thought that mods, maps, and skins were hacks. Haha.

But it's a pain to get WinRAR for one map. And he can't extract the RAR without WinRAR.

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I have some similar data^ (from another thread)

"Most" are not hating 1.9, but more people on this thread dislike it than you think. According to my data, 65% of the people on this thread support the changes, 21% oppose the changes, 7% are on the fence or indifferent on the matter, and 7% haven't given a clear answer. The numbers for the data, respectively, are 128, 41, 14, and 14, all arounded off to the nearest decimal on the percent chart.

I collected data for other comments as well, with 26% of the other comments being RAGE comments, 16% being mod interferences, and 58% being other unrelated comments. The numbers for those are 5, 3, and 11, and it's excluding all of the other off-topic conversations that the mods deleted.

Overall, a small number of people dislike the changes, but most seem to be on board with them. In a poll on a different thread, 90% of people like the changes. When I added up the comments, I also noticed that about half of the people who opposed the changes still liked certian aspects of them. So you could say that only about 11% of the posters here completely disagree with the changes. The title of this thread really needs to be changed. Most are not hating 1.9. Most seem to be okay with it

This chart shows the numbers.

And again with percentages shown instead:

A pie graph showing the data:

And the other comments...

I doubt that that many people think this will "ruin" TNT cannons.

Threadiquette:

A forumers guide to ethos

Ah, etiquette. Before even scratching the surface of it, let me define the word:

The rules indicating the polite way to behave.
I am not going off of the "social norm" definition, because that's conformity, not etiquette.

You have my permission to TL;DR (too long don't read) provided you at least read what applies to you. Nobody is perfect, because perfection is a subjective and convoluted concept. So let's just take these guidelines as self-improvement suggestions that will help us build a more approachable and fair community.

Note: Everything I post in this thread is an opinion. You may disagree with it, and if you do your opinions will be valued (please post on this thread)

I: Preface
II: Responses and arguing
III: Politeness
IV: Flame Wars and OP's intent
V: Be Supportive

VI: Conclusion

I: Preface (If you want to TL;DR, at the very least read this and cherrypick the rest):

So let me start by answering the question, why was this thread created? I'll be honest here. It was created because of all the borderline flame wars about....everything. From the strictness of the suggestions forums to the biased views of hating change. And the biased views of hating the lack of change. Basically, general bias and rudeness. Which is sad. I can see about 60-70% of our members giving at least an effort to be polite. The other percent is not necessarily impolite, but at the very least need some serious help being more understanding.

I think we can all improve by reading this thread. Heck, I think even I improved just by writing this thread, despite these views being my own. I guess that goes to show you your nature to swiftly speak your mind and ignore your personal standards until AFTER posting is a legit problem. To make it worse, we all try to justify whatever we said with even less thought. Well, actually more often than not we actually add new context to align these statements with our standards. Which is fine, so long as we don't go off topic in doing so. I will touch up on this later.

Part II: Responses and arguing

Part II-1: Listen to other people
If you post a thread, you have to listen to everyone's replies. Not just the ones you like or agree with. You are not always "right", because opinions are opinions, so by nature there is no "right answer". And more importantly, other people are entitled to opinions too. Furthermore, take the opinions of other people and try to understand why they feel this way. If you truly disagree with the logic behind the opinion, not the opinion itself, that's when you should make a counterargument. If both your opinion and their opinion both have merit, you can also reply with something like "I see where you're coming from, _ can indeed sometimes cause _. I think there is a solution to this particular part: nerf _ and make ~ less common". If you completely disagree with their opinion, politely disagree and back why you feel it is not a good opinion. If their opinion has no support, that is bias:

Part II-2: Bias
If someone posts a simple unsupported statement, don't merely disagree. First ask an equally as simple "how so?" because you don't even know their thought process and thus can't really judge. Don't be the one to post an unsupported statement either. If you do, follow with "I will elaborate when I get the time". Because simple black and white statements don't contribute.

II-3: Black and White
Not everything is in black and white. In fact, nothing is in black and white. People have reasons for posting things. Say they post a "this is better". Don't you think they actually have reasoning, even if they don't say it? People are complicated. They are like onions. They have layers. If they say something nonfactual, they probably misread it somewhere. If they make a "rude" remark, maybe they were offended by something in the post. I'll touch up on such statements later. A lot. Bottom line, don't judge people in the forums for what they post.

Part II-4: Do not over assert your position
When you reply to somebody's post, don't keep going back and forth. Your reply to this persons reply and their reply to your reply and maybe even an entirely separate post of your own are enough. If you reply to everyone on a thread that is not your own with the same viewpoint, the thread will probably turn into your views, not the topic. And it will drag on blandly.

Part II-5: Do not assert opinion as fact OR fact as opinion
Never use generalizations such as more or most, everyone, few, etc. without solid evidence which comes from unbiased poll data; never say "splash potions were not intended to be used by the player" because the developers obviously added the feature for this reason.

Part III: Politeness (most important)

Part III-1: Defining Rudeness
What is rudeness? There are 2 common definitions
1. offensively impolite or ill-mannered.
2. roughly made or done; lacking subtlety or sophistication.
I prefer the second definition, because what really defines impolite? So, going off of no sophistication, let me emphasize, re-emphasize, and over-emphasize the can and cant's of posting.

Part III-2: Detecting Rudeness
What should be considered rude? How do we know if something is rude? In general, when we for all extensive purposes set rudeness to the lack of sophistication, there are 5 types of posts we should avoid typing:

Discrimination (of any type):

Calling a post a lie:

Disregarding Someone's views:

Calling Someone's post ignorant/blind

Intentional Malrecognizing/Forgiveness:

AND NEVER MAKE AN ACCUSATION. PERIOD.

Part III-3: Reporting Rudeness
I know the following may sound controversial. So prepare yourself. If someone posts something rude and disrespectful, in such an extreme and just plain low case you could drop dead of rage, completely ignore them. Don't even bother with their reasoning. People who say stuff like this either are disregarding your true nature as the good person you are, or have a superiority complex. So you have the right to disregard them as long as you don't stoop to their level or hold grudges. Even if they have merit in other aspects, if the case of rudeness is that extreme, Report their comment. In fact, report the member. Just run through their post history and see if this is what they usually do. If it is, report. If not, they may be having a bad day. If they soured up your day, and are just being jerks, they may sour up everyone else too. You will be helping the community in the long run if you are an up-stander. Again, this is only in extreme cases. In bad but not extreme cases, just report the comment or possibly reply saying it was uncalled for but leave it at that.

Part IV: Of flame wars, and intent of the OP

Part IV-1: On topicness; no redundancy
Staying on topic is obviously important. But there is more to it than that. Please do not misinterpret a topic. What do I mean? If you are responding to a topic that, let's just say hypothetically, is called "Please don't add broccoli in 1.17", because broccoli is being added by a snapshot, do not say "I hate version 1.17. The Pig Dimension? Huggable pet creepers, really?". Why not? You are broadening the topic and destroying the purpose of the thread. Which was against broccoli. By be openly against 100% of MC 1.17 you are adding an unnecessary or otherwise irrelevant argument which will sidetrack people on the thread. How does this connect to etiquette? It can easily lead to a flame war; where people go on primitive rampages full of bias and caps lock. And I also mean dealing with flame wars themselves. Which leads me to:

Part IV-2: In the case of a flame war...
Stop, drop, and roll: Stop the argument. Tell everyone to focus and the thread isn't about this. If it is, then drop the hate. Let everyone know they all have valid points (no matter how unsupported). Tactically roll around the issue and say something like "We covered every strength and weakness already. Let's let go already." or "Let's just wait and see how the changes play out" or even "Let's all have a cookie and move on :D.".
Evacuate the building: Sometimes staying out of a burning building gives the fire less stuff to burn. Know what I'm saying?
Call the fire department: contact a moderator, they've got it all under control.
Get a new fire alarm: Raise your skills at detecting posts which can potentially cause a flame war and learn how to calm the situation

Part V: Be supportive!
Part V-1: We are a family, so to speak
Yeah, there's always that creepy uncle and that uncle grandpa, but...we're essentially family. Metaphorically. Hypothetically. I'm not talking nepotism here, I'm just saying the qualities generically attributed to families (ex: being supportive, constructive, nice, understanding, etc.) are the qualities we should have in the forums. Understanding means say stuff like "yeah, I get that. Even if I don't agree, I definitely see where you are coming from". Understanding is legit understanding. Getting where they are coming from, and truly listening to them.

Part V-2: Support
Supportive, contrary to the suggestions thread (the embodiment of evil), does not mean Support!/No support/Partial Support. It means: "You want this to be added? Well, here are the pros and cons:-----. If you need help improving your suggestion, just ask me!" Please, if you have any shred of humanity in you, don't call an idea stupid. You call it bad, if you have enough support and be polite about it. Just not stupid. The point of the suggestions thread specifically is not, I repeat not, to determine whether it should be in the game or not. It's to propose/suggest an idea to see if Mojang deems it fit. Sure, you should give feedback, and see how the community will react. But that could be accomplished in a poll. The comments in a suggestion thread should really contribute to altering the suggestion until it is polished enough to not be disliked by or hinder players. And please, be willing to alter your suggestion and take feedback. Of course, this doesn't only apply to the suggestions thread. Don't insult somebody's community creation of any kind. People have different standards. A resource pack, for example, that looks sloppy to you may be the best aesthetic ever to someone who comes across it. Just politely state how you think it could be improved.

Part V-3: Constructive Criticism
Constructive? If you think something needs improvement, suggest how it can be improved. Don't bash the idea. Please contribute. I'll quote the last sentences under support to emphasize
"A resource pack, for example, that looks sloppy to you may be the best aesthetic ever to someone who comes across it. Just politely state how you think it could be improved."
There you have it. To shorten, "It's bad because" should really be "If you do _" it can improve.

Part V-4: Be nice in general
Be nice by complimenting frequently and if always address a strength every time you post one weakness. No, seriously. Try it out. You can actually get somewhere in the discussion

Part V-5: What is the thank button for?
Confusing, I know. It seems to serve whatever purpose is most convenient at the time. Let me clarify it is not for supporting an argument. Even I do that sometimes. But we have to move on from that trend. Thank buttons are either to thank a post for answering a question/helping the discussion move on with great unbiased detail or to thank someone for their contribution to the community. And don't misunderstand the latter. A contribution to the community is a user submitted thing or a very thought provoking/detailed post.

Part VI: Conclusion
Part VI:
So now that you read this thread, hopefully you have been inspired to help create a generally more friendly environment. The forums shouldn't really be so full of bias and rude remarks. Everyone is equal here.

Well, that's about it for threadiquette. If you have some more ideas for threadiquette, post them here. Or just make general comments. Because that will help to. Just be polite while posting. Otherwise you didn't really take much from this thread.... XD

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As many have noticed, 1.8 absolutely ruined TnT cannons, without tnt faction servers wouldn't be a thing. And there's no need for these new tnt psychics to even be here. I play on a 1.8 faction server (treasureswars.net) and we cringe at the sight of 1.8. Tnt cannons is an art, and you just threw that skill away.

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1) What is your Minecraft username (or "IGN")?
My IGN is _PopTartZimbie_ .


2) Please explain why you would like to join the Server.
I would love to join this server because it looks beautiful from the trailer, and Gulliver just might be my favorite mod. This server looks small, and I'm not much of a fan of larger servers, because of chat Spam, and client side lag. The buildings on this server and the mere concept amazes me. For example, the idea of gold with small players as balls sort of amuses as well as interests me. I think this server would be a great experience to play on. Most of the time I don't really have much to do and this server seems like something I could spend hours on end playing.


3) Please explain how your talents, skills, experience, personality traits, and aspirations can help contribute positively to our server.
So I'd say my building credibility is not high, in the sense of people knowing. I would say I'm a pretty good builder but making a large map doesn't interest me. My skills and talents, apart from video games, would probably be school, as I try way too hard for school and as a result get some of the highest grades in my school. Another thing would be Redstone, as for me it's very similar to real life circuitry in the way it works. Some of my personality traits would be being rather upbeat all the time and having, if this is a word, a retort-ish sense of humor. My humor has gone so far as making small, not-so-good animations about strange characters I create. To add, on a scale of one to ten, I would rate my self an 8.8 maturity wise. Finally, my aspirations would be to find my path in life. I know it's cliché, but I'm serious about that.

4) Please list five random facts about yourself that can help differentiate you from other players.
Here's a list of five random, and probably strange, facts about me.

1. I have two beautiful pugs named Jacques and Francis.
2. Probably nobody in the world can beat me at puzzles; especially word puzzles. Any puzzle from jigsaw to crossword, just clicks for me.
3. Origami. Origami is the Japanese art of folding paper. I design my own origami models and teach them to my friends so they can bragant teach it to their friends. I was the one who popularized Origami in my school.
4. Sometimes, at night, instead of sleeping, i just watch Anime 'til 7:00 in the morning. Then I sleep.

5) To ensure you understand your rights and responsibilities on our server, please read the Novice's Creed, and write down one right or responsibility that you enjoy the most.

8. You have the right to harvest wood or public crops, so long as you replant these.

I honestly hate when someone on a survival server just plows through land, leaving no player, pig, or plant behind. This right will keep the server beautiful.

6) And finally, to confirm that you read the Big Sister Server Quick Guide please write down the name of the official server currency.
Cheese.

Hello Strawberry, my name is Hannah and I'm going to review your application today.

Question 2: Wow, this is a good solid response, which is rare these days! Let’s hope we see this play out on the rest of the application!

The only thing I want to mention is that the golf thing only happened once in a small segment of the trailer, it’s not something we do all the time (roleplaying is more the national “sport” of our server). Otherwise, I love the attention to detail and the fact you did your homework on our server before posting here. Good job!

Question 3: This is a good length and has a lot of detail, so I think it meets at least all the requirements for this question. I should note that we worry about people telling us that they’re very mature (so much so that they even have their own rating system), since mature people typically don’t need to announce that they’re mature. Just for this I’d have to bump you down to 6.8 on your special super security maturity scale. Please don’t forget to also be a little humble as well.

Question 4:

2> You’d have to challenge me to see who is the best then. Teehee.

3> Oooh! You better send some pics then.

4> Sleeping is important!

5> How do you eat a country? are you Godzilla? This fact is a little weird. XD

Question 6: Great!

VERDICT: You made a very good job on this application, and I would say you had passed but first I would like to ask you a couple of question before we move forward. How do you feel about bragging? Since you mentioned it a lot. and how do you justify a score of 8.8 on your maturity scale? Would that be rather high or would you say it’s pretty low? Let me know down below your answers and then hopefully we can be able to whitelist you.