Well, perhaps some arguments are valid, but ultimately this will accomplish nothing, so I will leave for now. I am curious if you think I am stupid/ignorant or smart and just differ in beliefs.
Goodbye for now.
I think you are an intelligent person, I just think that your beliefs are different than mine.
We're all human, isn't that evidence we have a common ancestor, whether it be Adam and Eve or something else. And looking like related to the rest of the planet.. Aren't there four chemicals major in DNA, so random combinations would share 25% with us, and surely combinations supporting life aren't random.
Yes, we must have a common ancestor. Apes may also share that ancestor, and that ancestor could also be shared may another mammal.
P.S. I'm sorry if i've confused you with my use of 'ancestor', I do not mean ancestor as in a human, but pre human species even further back than the likes of the Australopithecus group. I believe that Australopithecus had evolved from something even more apelike, and through long Developmental Stages that creature has developed in to us and, say, Baboons.
Forgive me, but still, no genetic information is added to the child that didn't exist in either of the parents, I just wasn't aware of the term.
I know that. But, the human population could only be this diverse if we had a sufficient amount more than 2 ancestors in total, all of whom would have looked different.
I meant more that the age distribution of this forum suggests that most of the people in here get their beliefs from their parents rather than any actual drawn out process of philosophical self-exploration.
I may be a kid, but I have had plenty of time to do just that. While my friends were thinking about how cool Santa was, I was pondering how we came to be (and how my friends could believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny, etc). Although I think it is sad how pathetic how the amount of people on these forums that are Exceptionally/Profoundly Gifted is compared to how creative and open a game Minecraft is, I must disagree with you. Atheists probably do the most philosophical exploration out of any group in the world (excluding Philosophers).
In this thread young people parrot their parents' beliefs, likely not having any actual understanding of the topic.
/troll
(serious though)
Actually, although my parents are Atheist, they have never discussed their beliefs with me. All my beliefs are developed from my own common sense couple with what I have heard from christians and Evolutionists alike.
If God made Adam and Eve, they would have the best possible DNA combination... So inbreeding wouldn't necessarily causing problems like that.
And 2 people to billions.. Evolution is the more extreme than that, so one must be right( or something else we have'nt considered.
You obviously do not know how embryology works. Genes are not 'mixed', they are 'spliced'. Meaning, a child will have different features from his parents, the features are not mixed together.
If you mix red and blue paint, you get purple. You cannot turn purple in to red and blue, meaning that if we were all from the same 2 people, we would all eventually end up looking exactly the same.
And to your 2nd point, about Evolution being more "extreme". It is actually a lot less extreme, as evolution happened over a timescale of billions upon billions of years, rather than a few thousand. The genes mutating and adapting, a single celled being could wuite plausibly become a human, a kangaroo, a leopard, a dolphin, an elephant, and so on. Again, google Lensky's bacteria experiment. (Just so you don't stumble across the wrong one, it's about 12 tribes of bacteria being kept in a controlled enviroment, it shows evolution on a time scale that a human can observe.
Yes. I believe that somewhere along the line, 2 groups of an ape like genetic ancestor were seperated, and through "speciation by seperation", one evolved in to the modern new world apes and one evolved in to us, through different genetic paths. I advise you all to google 'Lensky's bacteria experiment'. Interesting stuff.
Um, some stuff is, some isn't. You'll burn yourself if you put your hand in fire... Should I explain to you every intricacy of reality? And about red-shift, I believe it exists, but here's my logic; When God created the world, he did not created Adam as a baby; he was a man. The trees in Eden were not saplings, they were trees. The animals weren't baby's either. If the universe was a 'baby' it would not be a great place for stuff to live. So the universe would be created with age as well.
If the story of Adam and eve were real, we would all have the same DNA, therefore, would all be inbred. And we all know how inbreeding works out.
Simple Embryology is good evidence for evolution, and not excellent for the Garden of eden theory. Also, has anyone done the maths to see if 2 people could even possibly breed into 6 billion with human breeding times and patterns? (sorry, that last bit makes us sound a little too much like our mammalian cousins.)
That which can be a standpoint is the philosophies that you can find within the different holy books, and other writings. Religion in and on its own is only a dogmatic structure present throughout our society. Wearing a cross around your neck is not faith, theism, or philosophy.
By terminallyCapricious' reasoning, every single philosopher in history and the modern day has their own private 'religion'.
A good book about philosophy in my opinion, is Sophie's World good information on philosophers tied in with an interesting mystery plot.
Religion and faith is not the same thing. Religion is for weak people who need the support of others, colorful flags, forum signatures and necklaces (perhaps t-shirts?) to have opinions and ideals. This goes not only for Christians, Muslims, and other cults, but also for your every-day atheist or evolutionist who has to blurt it out, and join groups (simply being an -ist shows weakness in faith). People always look to each other for comfort and support; we are, after all, animals of the herd (as tested and proven). I myself do not believe in a specific god or non-god; I think and reason around everything I come across. I don't need to read or not read a book someone else wrote to reassure my thoughts.
What I think about your case is that you simply started being honest, or began thinking more, and therefore became a better person; you've probably always been an atheist, but not brave enough to step into the shoes. This, in turn, gave you a better life. It has nothing to do with any god or ideology.
My 5 cents.
Clap clap clap. I do not know a single person who is not part of a group of some sort, whether it be a sports team, a support group, or any other, humans like to live in packs.
There are even cases of people dying of loneliness (not just suicide).
Ughh. I just don't like going to service. I'm forced to (Parents) and I just don't like the idea of submitting yourself and making yourself feel worthless to some being we don't even know EXISTS. Also, god is kind of a ****. (Read the bible)
So i still go to church, but I don't believe in a god.
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I think you are an intelligent person, I just think that your beliefs are different than mine.
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Yes, we must have a common ancestor. Apes may also share that ancestor, and that ancestor could also be shared may another mammal.
P.S. I'm sorry if i've confused you with my use of 'ancestor', I do not mean ancestor as in a human, but pre human species even further back than the likes of the Australopithecus group. I believe that Australopithecus had evolved from something even more apelike, and through long Developmental Stages that creature has developed in to us and, say, Baboons.
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I know that. But, the human population could only be this diverse if we had a sufficient amount more than 2 ancestors in total, all of whom would have looked different.
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I may be a kid, but I have had plenty of time to do just that. While my friends were thinking about how cool Santa was, I was pondering how we came to be (and how my friends could believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny, etc). Although I think it is sad how pathetic how the amount of people on these forums that are Exceptionally/Profoundly Gifted is compared to how creative and open a game Minecraft is, I must disagree with you. Atheists probably do the most philosophical exploration out of any group in the world (excluding Philosophers).
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Actually, although my parents are Atheist, they have never discussed their beliefs with me. All my beliefs are developed from my own common sense couple with what I have heard from christians and Evolutionists alike.
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You obviously do not know how embryology works. Genes are not 'mixed', they are 'spliced'. Meaning, a child will have different features from his parents, the features are not mixed together.
If you mix red and blue paint, you get purple. You cannot turn purple in to red and blue, meaning that if we were all from the same 2 people, we would all eventually end up looking exactly the same.
And to your 2nd point, about Evolution being more "extreme". It is actually a lot less extreme, as evolution happened over a timescale of billions upon billions of years, rather than a few thousand. The genes mutating and adapting, a single celled being could wuite plausibly become a human, a kangaroo, a leopard, a dolphin, an elephant, and so on. Again, google Lensky's bacteria experiment. (Just so you don't stumble across the wrong one, it's about 12 tribes of bacteria being kept in a controlled enviroment, it shows evolution on a time scale that a human can observe.
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If the story of Adam and eve were real, we would all have the same DNA, therefore, would all be inbred. And we all know how inbreeding works out.
Simple Embryology is good evidence for evolution, and not excellent for the Garden of eden theory. Also, has anyone done the maths to see if 2 people could even possibly breed into 6 billion with human breeding times
and patterns? (sorry, that last bit makes us sound a little too much like our mammalian cousins.)0
By terminallyCapricious' reasoning, every single philosopher in history and the modern day has their own private 'religion'.
A good book about philosophy in my opinion, is Sophie's World good information on philosophers tied in with an interesting mystery plot.
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It is probably because 40% of Americans are Christians.
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Clap clap clap. I do not know a single person who is not part of a group of some sort, whether it be a sports team, a support group, or any other, humans like to live in packs.
There are even cases of people dying of loneliness (not just suicide).
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Tip: **** off the Vicar.