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I believe it costs them a lot more to put it on iOS devices than it does Android devices, hence the price difference.

Quote from jimmehthekill

You do need memory for websites as well just not as much

Actually, you need more - Flash and Java are hogs!

Quote from TheWeinberger

I like the idea of this very much..But it poses a problem, I honestly do not think that the people that are good at making skins that do not use utilites for their skins, and make them manually will not ever adjust to this utility, but for begginers. I give it a thumbs up!

I disagree wholeheartedly - most of my artist friends use this over GIMP/Photoshop simply because of the 3d preview.

Quote from Fightseaker

Thank god someone created this!

Quote from Drewbaby27

Even IF this is simply a minor improvement on an already existing program, It's STILL an attempt to contribute, so I'm really not understanding why people are bagging on it. And there is a difference between constructive criticism and baggin just to be a douche.Kudos Paril for taking comments with a grain of salt and rollin with the punches. Looking forward to making my 1st attempt at skin modding with this.

Thank you, Drewbaby. I won't let my stuff be taken down by people who are opinionated and ignorant

Quote from pr0t0tyype

This looks good but theres a website called minersneedcoolshoes that I use that does the same thing and it even has a detail paintbrush tool.

I know. This is different.

Quote from Mrrobogavin

cool, but it would not close for some reason, it was a error

It's a known issue, will be fixed it 1.3! Thanks for trying it!

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Quote from kheatsopon

there is a skin edit am using Minershoes :smile.gif: no need to download... just saying

A download never ruined anybody's life. People have pros and cons for using MinerShoes, such as not wanting their work to be automatically public. Give my program a try before ignorantly shrugging it off.

Quote from azzanine

I see pros and cons for both this and nova skin.for MCSkin3DPros;Minimalist UI, Homogenous but as far as applications go this is a good thing.Has Dodge and burn.Feels like a more professional tool.Faster skin switching.Cons; Lacks in features, is really a bare bones 3D texture painter.for nova skin.Pros;Very well integrated skin resource platform your skins are out there as soon as you are done and you can use it as a skin resource if you are not very creative.Provides features like geometrical tools and gradients.Built in skin application short cut for the dumb dumbs out there.Cons;No DODGE AND BURN! I know there is a darken the color tool but doing that gets tedious.Uploading content is very vague in it's process, I wasn't sure what and how to name my creation.The UI is very vague and unprofessional, pretty but confusing to figure out at first glance.Moving the model sometimes leaves some artifacts when you move the camera.I have an idea, See if you can make it so you can edit 2 skins at once. Not sure of the programing limitations there but it would be a feature that would interest me.

Hi there!

Thanks for the remarks, I'll keep them in mind for version 1.3. It indeed is a minimalist painting program right now, because I'm piggybacking on OpenGL for drawing and it's my first forré into doing so. Version 1.3 will include more tools and useful painting operations for you.

I was thinking of providing an msi installer version for the "dumb dumbs" as you call them, so that they don't have to deal with extraction.

As for editing two at once; I fail to see the usefulness on an end-user point of view. I see why you would possibly want it, but I mean if you can't focus on a single skin at once...

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Quote from JustAwesome

Skincraft both has premade parts and an incredibly easy to use color by pixel system. Try it before you discredit something, jerk.

I haven't tried it before yesterday - reason being I wanted to avoid accidentally using any prior art.

Quote from RangeX962

Well done, Paril, should i ever need to make some skins, i'll probably download and use this, also, dont take anything the haters/flamers say seriously, its like like the PC vs Mac or PS3 vs Xbox360 Flame wars; "my console/program is better than yours just 'cause its the only one i've used, so im gonna disregard yours as crap without even lookin' at it", its like that, so yeah, dont believe the haters and keep up the good work.

I know. Thanks!

Quote from Dukes

Umm that isn't nearly as good as nova skin editor. Use Nova Skin Editor instead, it looks way better then that program.

Nova has a very wonky camera - mine is very simple and GL-based.

Quote from KillerJoe90

He didn't "discredit" anyone. Merely stated the fact that he did not plagiarized any other works as a reference to his editor.Great job by the way Paril! Nice to know many people are still contributing to the minecraft content!

Thank you!

Quote from SilNate

I tried it. Its an interesting concept, but I still prefer SkinEdit. Kudos for having the knowledge to program something like this though. I don't see any need to flame, plenty of that in this thread. I'm not sold on it, and I'm not sure I like the idea of the application accessing the net to upload.Now something I would like to see, and I imagine you could use this program as your base to make it...a texture editor. See a 3D block of coal or cobblestone/etc, and paint it directly. I haven't seen one of those yet, and I could put that to good use.

Nobody's forcing you to upload. If you're worried about what it sends, check out the code yourself - all it's doing is the same thing that happens when you do it yourself, it's just automating the process. It will be used to make textures, in the future!

Quote from RoachPG

@dukes You say it LOOKS like it's worse than Novaskin, yet you haven't tried it.Paril, ignore the stupid kids. I don't even know why they are on the internet.

I think he's referring to the interface, which is completely plausible; UI design isn't my forté.

Quote from Ivysaur1996

Why do they always post the awkwardly unused utilities on the news, when there's things like SkinEdit?

Considering it jumped from 4 pages to 20 pages in a day, I doubt it's "awkwardly unused" by this point. If you must know, I contacted the main content writer and asked him to look at my software.

Quote from mrchooch

Paril! This is amazing,Can you make a texturepack designer like this?

Indeed!

Quote from jliu168

Guys,Sure, there may be a better thing to make skins on. There also may be other programs similar. But telling him "This has already been done by SomeRandomDude and it's like, 100000000x better!" doesn't help the creator a lot, does it? I mean, what are you accomplishing when you say that? It's not like he's going to remove the program or something if it's already been done.Anyways, this program doesn't look too bad. I personally don't make my own skins, I usually edit them, but I'm sure some people will like it. Well done!

I'm attempting to innovate, but these people just see it as a clone because they haven't tried it, that's all.

Quote from Zachs_Kappler

It's unfortunate it's built with .net 4.0, otherwise I might migrate over to it from SkinEdit. Why that's the only reason holding me back is I use Ubuntu Linux on my two computers and Wine has issues with .net based programs, especially .net 4.0. I don't know if Mono is as far along as .net is right now but it wouldn't hurt to consider it so us non-windows users can mess with it. Still, it looks incredibly well built and is an interesting way to design player skins.

I may consider downgrading to 3.5 if it's really a big issue.

Quote from KingCarolus

Huh I've posted something and it didnt get posted :sWell, posting again then. Is it just me or did the image changed?

Yes, I accidentally included copyrighted skins in a previous release, so I asked him to change it to version 1.2 for me.

Quote from Aokark

Pfft. You dumb asses. There is already a skin creator and it's WAY batter than this. It's called skincraft. Go on Newgrounds and look it up.

SkinCraft is quite different, as it's more of a part picker than a full-blown 3d editor.

Quote from Worldsshrugged

Well that's cool, but what I really want is an interactive texture pack editor. One where the preview was a world of your choice.Somebody make one of those, please!

The former will be possible with MCSkin3D in the future; the latter, probably not!

Quote from tngreenfish99

Looks pretty good, though I think I've seen things like this before in several places. I would use it if it had the capability to edit HD skins for texture packs.

It's been done in theory, but I don't believe anybody has done it to the capacity that I have. It can edit HD skins.

Quote from CootieMonster

Seems a little unfair that out of all the editing programs people have come up with, this is the one that's promoted by the website.

It's not really "promoted", it'll get pushed off the main page in a few days anyways. I contacted the content writer and asked him if he could take a look at my program, that's all.

Quote from Aclurace

Meh, Its not that impressive considering how many other skin editing programs/websites there are. All that's different is the 3D model to paint directly on to which is just a little more helpful :/

Well, I'm attempting to innovate, and there's still many more features to come, such as block editing and whatnot; just wait and see how it evolves!

Quote from Fifedrum2

Gimp. Nuff' said.

Right on, bro!

Quote from ejens

Yeah, well. I'll wait for someone who bothers to do it crossplatform, like Notch :wink.gif:

It's not that I didn't "bother", it's just that had I done this on a crossplatform language like Java, it'd be nowhere as good, nowhere as fast and nowhere as advanced as it is in its current state.

Quote from BenAdam500

I use Photoshop because I can.

Shoppers gonna shop!

Quote from wagenman

Props to Paril, I think the article just sold it wrong by touting it's innovation. Painting directly on a 3D model is hardly innovation. I was so proud of my copy of Painter 3D...though it escapes me when that was...1995 maybe?Paril, you are probably much better off not defending the software against the internet. There's no winning that battle. Hopefully you have already given up and won't even see this comment. I thought it was interesting to see the comments about software vs. a webpage. That's the paradigm today, everything is in a browser....bringing us even closer to OS irrelevance. Put yourself a few steps ahead and port this into the iPad and you will be golden. I already change skins with an iPad app.

It's innovative in terms of Minecraft, not in its entirety. I even stated Quake 2 Modeler, a very old program, as inspiration!

Quote from Qweets

He already stated that he knew 3d painting existed all the way back when like a quake 2 skin maker was out he knows this tech isn't NEW hes just defending his program vs all these idiot kids saying one thing is better than another but all hes trying to say is that they don't have the feature to draw directly onto the 3d model itself. Paril if you are still reading this, thank you for your hard work this is outstanding. If you made this kind of program to do texture packs it would be one of the most popular minecraft apps on the internet I bet. Ignore the children all they do is hate and troll, this generation of kids are so disrespectful to others and even adults. When I was a child I was always respectful of my elders.. I hate what has become of kids these days.

Thanks! Problem is, you're probably older than me :tongue.gif:

Quote from Net_Bastard

Does this allow for HD skins?

Yes sir.

Quote from Camt

awesomeh
ill give it a try.

Thanks!

It is quite different. Give it an honest try.

Thank you Kaelvin.

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Quote from GravityxHammah

Okay, so I just got it working, this is AMAZING. So easy, and an easier color picker, as well. I'll fiddle around with this some more. :3

Awesome! Thanks!

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Quote from DragoneerX

This has been around for quite some time:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/571250
and from what I can gather, there's not an awful lot of difference.

Have you actually TRY it? It's meant for texturing, not picking from a bunch of pre-made parts...
SkinCraft is completely different in terms of usage ideas.

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Quote from GravityxHammah

I feel sorry for you Paril, for getting flamed so much. You did a FANTASTIC job on this, but it's just that my pc can't handle :\. My pc never handled 3D programs that don't use java well, and .NET framwork stuff is what my pc fails even harder in. I'll see as to what I can do to make it work! Again, you did a fantastic job creating this program, and I hope it will be popular around all skinners (or perhaps, the biggest part)!

I know. It's to be expected though, people like to feel like the programs they use are better. Add me on MSN or Skype, I'll help you get it working.

Quote from insomniac_lemon

this is better. It allows you to view player and mob skins, and edit them with the editor you are comfortable using, and as soon as you save, it automatically changes in the program :DPS there is a link on the word "this" in my last post

It's not bad - it's nowhere near advanced in terms of 3D painting, however. As for automatic changing in the program itself, that has been planned as well.

Quote from Robin9080

Nice

Thanks!

Quote from JustAwesome

The Swain did it first. Months ago.

And? I don't see his skin program anywhere here, unless I missed it. I didn't use any prior art except for SkinEdit, so I'm not really ripping anybody off. 3D painting has been around for ages. Martin did it in q2mdlr over 9 years ago. Your point?

Quote from fengpwns

Is there any more skin programs besides this?

Several. I encourage you to check the Minecraft wiki (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Editors), which lists nearly every editor available.

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I think I prefer skin edit, although this is a much more stable program, I cannot seem to find an option which allows me to paint in 2D whilst being able to see a preview in 3D in realtime.

It's planned, don't worry. The only issue is finding a way to do it that suits everybody - not everyone wants it crammed into the main view.

How about Skincraft: http://www.newground...tal/view/571250

It comes with a huge array of pre-generated clothing that you can add to your character, you can paint on the character using the "custom" body parts option (although not as easy as with your program, I give you that) and it runs very smoothly on flash-enabled mobile devices like Androids.

And as it uses different layers for all clothing options, you can easily undo ore move around any addition that you don't like.

And you can import your existing skins.

I have created a ton of skins with on the train and most of the skins for my "Mobs for Mace" mod were done with it as well.

A very good example of a program very unlike mine - this sort of thing can't be done with my program, thou arst correct. If enough people suggest it, I will add in something similar to a part chooser. Sadly, I won't be able to target mobile devices or ever even bother working with the memory-leak-heavy Flash.

You can easily import your skins via Skins < Import Skins.

This editor moreso tailors those who create them all by scratch.

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Dude it's free. I have yet to stumble upon any Minecraft related program that costs money.

Free AND open source!

I have a very strong dislike towards developers who make you pay for extra content that you already bought the damn game for. I will never make you pay for anything more than a game I create myself that I wish to get revenue from.

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Quote from Dark_Reaper115

This is awesome...does it support additional stuff like hats and hair?

Yes sir, hats are supported - read the FAQs on the main thread to find out how to enable them (it's disabled by default so that it doesn't get in the way).

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Quote from Doug_Rattmann

This technology has been around for a long time.
This was the first one I stumbled upon when I first wanted to change my skin.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/3796-skinedit-new-version-13-april-alpha-3-pre-7/

I know this one lets you draw directly onto your character, I just don't see why it makes the front page.

Anyway, I'm sure some people will find it useful.

SkinEdit doesn't let you paint directly onto the 3d preview - again, I implore you guys to TRY the program out rather than assuming that the screenshots are what is all to see. SkinEdit has been on several frontpages, and is currently the defacto standard - it has over 1 million thread views, while mine has ~3000. EVERYBODY knows of SkinEdit.

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Quote from Theprank247

But theres lots of others exactly like this.

I challenge you to find a program whose feature set matches, or exceeds, mine. And photoshop/GIMP doesn't count :tongue.gif:

But seriously, please, give it a try and don't shrug this off as a clone. I'm trying to innovate for skin artists. Please keep in mind the only prior art I've referenced is SkinEdit; I have NOT used any other skin editors besides that one.

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Quote from Wertysd

http://www.minershoes.com/

Well, this is the same, and have been out for sooo long time..

How is it the same? My program lets you paint directly ON the model, as well as a full 3d camera, a 2d mode with a camera, a skin management list on the left, direct upload to Minecraft.net support, several color pickers, resizable window, full 32-bit color support... shall I go on?

but does it have a full colour tablet?

Can you explain more please?

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Quote from cyber199

i would prefer to use a website than waste memory on a program

Websites still "waste memory". In fact, web-oriented programs tend to use more RAM, especially if we talk about Flash (ESPECIALLY Flash) and Java.

MCSkin3D only takes up ~12 MB on your hard drive, and you can't tell me with a straight face you're going to miss 12 MB :smile.gif:

For those of you saying you'd "rather use" another program: I implore you to at least give it a try. I spent my hard time working on this program, and I did this for you artists: I'm doing this to make it easier for you artists to work on skins, not to be shunned off by people who are afraid to try new programs.

Thank you for featuring this, I am indebted to you forever!