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    posted a message on Torches FOREVER!!!!!!
    Quote from joe_bob »
    Quote from Oblivion4000 »
    Quote from onarum »
    Got to laugh at people voting no....

    Good to know Notch doesn't give a crap about whiners, also saying he will lose money is beyond stupid, NEWSFLASH you already paid for it Einstein(unless of course you pirated it, but then you would never buy it would you...), also I don't think people would stop buying it for things that make it more of a game and less of a glorified toy(what it is now).

    About time this thing gets at least a little bit challenging.

    edit: also I don't get it, people voting no are probably the ones that play it on peaceful (for whatever reason, imo if you play on peaceful you might as well just play mc classic, it's free too....), so what would change for these people if the torches started burning out on higher difficulties? absolutely nothing.


    I play on hard, so I care. That's WHY I voted no. I play minecraft BECAUSE it's a toy, I want to build. There are countless survival horror games that do the genre much better than minecraft. If torches burned out, and the only option was to get glowstone, it would disable me from building for extended periods every time I decide I want to start a new save. I like starting new saves, I like exploring new territory, I shouldnt have to build a nether gate immediately every time I want a house.


    when Notch releases creative mode in beta, THATS when minecraft is a toy.

    minecraft is not a toy yet. go play classic.


    B.S. Limited resources and occasional monsters do not make Minecraft a survival horror game. Seriously, go play one of the countless better survival/horror games if you want a hardcore survival game. Minecraft is good precisely because it ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD. Complicating this aspect of the game destroys a large amount of its appeal.
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    posted a message on Torches FOREVER!!!!!!
    Quote from muncher21 »
    Quote from Oblivion4000 »
    Quote from onarum »
    Got to laugh at people voting no....

    Good to know Notch doesn't give a crap about whiners, also saying he will lose money is beyond stupid, NEWSFLASH you already paid for it Einstein(unless of course you pirated it, but then you would never buy it would you...), also I don't think people would stop buying it for things that make it more of a game and less of a glorified toy(what it is now).

    About time this thing gets at least a little bit challenging.

    edit: also I don't get it, people voting no are probably the ones that play it on peaceful (for whatever reason, imo if you play on peaceful you might as well just play mc classic, it's free too....), so what would change for these people if the torches started burning out on higher difficulties? absolutely nothing.


    I play on hard, so I care. That's WHY I voted no. I play minecraft BECAUSE it's a toy, I want to build. There are countless survival horror games that do the genre much better than minecraft. If torches burned out, and the only option was to get glowstone, it would disable me from building for extended periods every time I decide I want to start a new save. I like starting new saves, I like exploring new territory, I shouldnt have to build a nether gate immediately every time I want a house.

    That's the thing. If minecraft is just a bucket of toys, IT gets boring. Look at gary's mod. Without structure games lose value.
    Also, no one ever said it would require glowstone. Every single "fact" in this thread is speculation.

    The only real facts are.
    Torches will eventually burn out
    Lanterns will be infinite.


    The whole discussion at this point is speculative. A bunch of people think it will take glowstone, though that doesn't make it true. Either way, while making lanterns easy to acquire would eliminate the "unreasonable difficulty" argument, it doesn't change the fact that it adds more monotony than "challenge". It's just pointless, really. More types of mobs and more advanced AI (Boss monsters maybe?) would go a long way to adding challenge without adding a bunch of monotonous tasks to the game like re-lighting your torches. Also, it doesn't even seem certain that Notch will make lanterns at all at this point.
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    posted a message on Torches FOREVER!!!!!!
    Quote from onarum »
    Got to laugh at people voting no....

    Good to know Notch doesn't give a crap about whiners, also saying he will lose money is beyond stupid, NEWSFLASH you already paid for it Einstein(unless of course you pirated it, but then you would never buy it would you...), also I don't think people would stop buying it for things that make it more of a game and less of a glorified toy(what it is now).

    About time this thing gets at least a little bit challenging.

    edit: also I don't get it, people voting no are probably the ones that play it on peaceful (for whatever reason, imo if you play on peaceful you might as well just play mc classic, it's free too....), so what would change for these people if the torches started burning out on higher difficulties? absolutely nothing.


    I play on hard, so I care. That's WHY I voted no. I play minecraft BECAUSE it's a toy, I want to build. There are countless survival horror games that do the genre much better than minecraft. If torches burned out, and the only option was to get glowstone, it would disable me from building for extended periods every time I decide I want to start a new save. I like starting new saves, I like exploring new territory, I shouldnt have to build a nether gate immediately every time I want a house.
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    posted a message on Torches FOREVER!!!!!!
    Quote from Flowzor »
    Quote from Oblivion4000 »
    That's my problem with it though, I don't want more challenge the later stages at the cost of making it impossible to do anything in the early ones. Steel isn't TERRIBLY common in the early game, and flint and steel breaks extremely quickly. With torches burning out, I couldnt build anything of note, not even a fairly modest home, and be safe in it until I have gone to the nether and gather a sufficient amount of glowstone. At this point my gear is probably crap, so I'm ill equipped for the ghasts bombarding me.


    Again, you're assuming that torches will be completely useless once they're finite, but we have no idea how long they will last, and I don't expect Notch to pick something like only a single minecraft day for them, since it would do exactly what you said. If you stick to exploring caves in the first few days in your new world, you'll hardly spend more than two minecraft days inside a single cave simply because your tools wont last you long enough to stay underground for several days and efficiently mine things anyway.


    So, if I dont want my home blown up by a creeper I have two options.

    A) Get glowstone

    :cool.gif: Spend a lot of time, in some random intervals, re-lighting torches.

    Regardless of the time intervals we're talking about here, thats incredibly annoying... I dont need home maintence chores in my game with LETHAL consequences if I decide I dont want to do them for a while...
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    posted a message on Torches FOREVER!!!!!!
    Quote from Flowzor »

    I don't want realism in minecraft, magical lanterns that burn forever aren't any more realistic.
    All I want is some inherent challenge in the later stages of the game(which can be avoided with peaceful mode), without me MAKING the challenges myself, by restricting gear use, making seperate dungeons without lighting to wear out my armor and weaponry and the like.


    That's my problem with it though, I don't want more challenge the later stages at the cost of making it impossible to do anything in the early ones. Steel isn't TERRIBLY common in the early game, and flint and steel breaks extremely quickly. With torches burning out, I couldnt build anything of note, not even a fairly modest home, and be safe in it until I have gone to the nether and gather a sufficient amount of glowstone. At this point my gear is probably crap, so I'm ill equipped for the ghasts bombarding me.
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    posted a message on Torches FOREVER!!!!!!
    Quote from Flowzor »
    Quote from Stately Buff-Cookie »
    Quote from Eniliad »
    Purely from a performance standpoint, I shudder to think of my memory going to calculating my hundreds if not thousands of torches' remaining life. I mean, javaw.exe ends up taking up well over 700,000 KB of memory on my machine; how much more strain do we really want to put on it?


    Oh dear CHRIST.

    I hadn't even considered that myself. I didn't give a damn about lanterns. Notch clearly changed his mind, and I can always just edit my inventory to give myself the lanterns if it needed something ridiculous.

    But the calculations.. that would surely bone my computer. Dear God.


    I honestly doubt Notch will have every single torch go out after a defined period of time with a ticker counting down for ever one of them, if there's any sanity left in the man.

    I imagine it to be like this:

    *torch placed*
    *first day passed - tick*
    *second day passed - tick*
    *third day passed - tick*
    *shutting down*

    This would probably enable them to work even if the chunk is unloaded, too, just by saving what day they were placed on, then subtracting it from the current day, if the number is >3, it burns out.


    Still a calculation issue. Forget the ticker, now every time you load a chunk you've been to the game needs to check every torch to see if they've burned out. That's still probably memory consuming, if not performance breaking. I already get white screens. All this aside...

    Doesn't temporary torches pretty much eliminate exensive mining operations? If I mine, but end up without a route back... Im pretty much guaranteed to get creeper'd... I mine, theres just not enough accessable glowstone to light up massive branch mines with lanterns, especially since every trip to the nether results in half the terrain obliterated by ghasts. (Seriously, I go to the nether expecting 10-20 ghasts shooting me at any given time...)

    Minecraft is fun and all, but it's already pretty tough starting out. (Beds make it somewhat more enjoyable) I dont see making it MORE annoying as adding enjoyability to the game. If you want realism why the hell are you playing minecraft?
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    posted a message on LB Photo Realism, 1.6 convert 7/16/2013. RPG Realism 1.3.1 updated 10/12/2012
    Why all the changes to the 128? I LOVED the old creepers and you replaced them, same goes for record player, standard wood blocks, and many others...

    :SSSS:
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    posted a message on LB Photo Realism, 1.6 convert 7/16/2013. RPG Realism 1.3.1 updated 10/12/2012
    Hey, this 256 work doesn't mean your abandoning the 128 does it (no more updates)? The 256 is alright, but I prefer the 128. Frankly, I like the tools better, among other things.
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    posted a message on Mobs on ma crops.
    Wll, that's the confusing thing. They are spawning on TOP of the my crops. There is no grass inside my fences, but they just keep spawning on top of my sugar cane and wheat.
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    posted a message on Mobs on ma crops.
    So basically I cant seem to stop mobs (cows, pigs, sheep) from spawning on top of my wheat and trampling it into the ground. Is there any way (I have already removed all grass) to keep my crops lit at night so they grow faster without mobs spawning on them?
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    posted a message on LB Photo Realism, 1.6 convert 7/16/2013. RPG Realism 1.3.1 updated 10/12/2012
    One other thing.

    Is the lava supposed to have an animation? Right now all my lavafalls are sill, I'm not sure if it's intentional or not.
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    posted a message on LB Photo Realism, 1.6 convert 7/16/2013. RPG Realism 1.3.1 updated 10/12/2012
    Yup, working now.

    This texture pack is amazing thanks a ton.
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    posted a message on LB Photo Realism, 1.6 convert 7/16/2013. RPG Realism 1.3.1 updated 10/12/2012
    Bit of a problem

    1. I can't see water when it's behind glass in the better glass version, it's just invisible.

    2. The non better glass download link doesn't work.
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    posted a message on Payment WTF
    Same thing's happening to me, all the way down to paypal being all "not our problem". I've tried three separate cards to no avail, but unfortunately no one here seems to be able to help either.
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    posted a message on Validation error purchasing minecraft?
    I've tried THREE separate cards now. Has NOBODY had this problem? Nothing on paypals end seems to be any help at all and it's still giving me the exact same crap. I've been trying to buy this game since last week this is getting ridiculous.
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