TL;DR on the replies at least.
The problem I see with this is that unlike Halo you do not simply join a Minecraft server and play. You join a certain server and join that certain server over and over again, because that certain server and only that certain server has your items and projects on it. Minecraft is not an arcade game like Halo. You do not play in rounds. You do not say "Who wants to join my game because this game has stupid options?" You play on your server. You can't do this kind of thing with Minecraft.
Another difference between games with quick hosting and Minecraft is that the only things the server needs to know in Halo is the players and a pre-defined small map. Sure, click that Host Server button. A couple people join, head off in odd directions the map triples in size, congratulations, you suddenly have a 30Mb file from that one click and an hour of gameplay. Tomorrow you click it again, Oh look another 30Mb.
A server running a Minecraft world has to do a whole lot more computations then a server running a game like Halo. In most games if you play in a server that is being hosted by the same computer as someone playing the game you are going to have lag. Minecraft relies on dedicated servers.
Another reason for that is players play on the server at many different times.
For Minecraft multiplayer I am opposed to anything that is not a 24/7 dedicated server.
terrapin555, You know originally I did put millenia, but for some reason my spellchecker started freaking out, so I thought I was wrong. Stupid spellchecker. Learn English! I am glad gold has a use now. Now we just need to give one to string :biggrin.gif:
Dig Dug Dude, I think putting nine string together shouldn't give you wool. -.- It doesn't really make sense, and it wastes your string. Instead I think it should make cloth. Then more crafts could be made from the cloth. But yeah, you understand what the wheelbarrow is about. I've had several people who are just not getting it. You should add my new banner to your signature. :biggrin.gif:
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MrNomNoms, you are missing the point. This is an incredibly primitive technology. In Minecraft we are able to create explosives, smelt metals, even make paintings, yet remain unable to make a simple wheel. Also, as I have said in several other places. Mine carts require track and a significant amount of iron. The wheelbarrow would be for the pre-I-have-enough-iron-to-build-a-freight-train stage, for trips you do not need to take large amounts of material more many times (like a construction project), or where minecarts would just not work out very well (like large farms). You didn't even comment on the other ideas like the spinning wheel or redstone wire.
But seriously! Are you really going to compare
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There is no comparison! Especially if you only plan to make the trip once or twice so that you can build a building. And that is assuming you only want to go 16 spaces which I really doubt. No one would waste the time or resources to set up tracks to use a minecart for this purpose. The wheelbarrow would be sitting around your house and you would just grab it whenever you needed it and head off.
Also, if you are going to criticize, make it constructive. Your comment did nothing to help Minecraft. :tongue.gif:
fireshredder1, If someone focuses on getting string they would end up with a ton of string really quickly. So perhaps a 1:1 ratio is better. Each wool block can be turned into one string. The key part though, is string would then be used in a lot of new recipes. You would be able to get a lot of string, similarly if someone focuses on getting wood they could get 64+ logs in one day not even working through the night, its the sheer amount you use that makes it necessary for you to get a ton. String should have a lot more uses than to make a bow or a fishing pole. Also, wool is useless. That needs to change.
The_Phantom_Potato, that is just the problem. We don't need another string source, because string is nearly useless. After you have gotten a dozen or so there is really no pressing need to get any more unless you want to make an army of dispenser turrets. I still like the wheel barrow though. The real problem is it takes too long to transfer items. When you are in a screen with the chest or wheelbarrow you should be able to left click on stacks of items to transfer them to the opposite inventory. A wheelbarrow would be very useful in many situations. Certainly not in exploring, but consider a large construction project, or strip mining. Also, perhaps one could combine the string and wheel to make a pulley that would be used with the implementation-in-progress piston mod to create an elevator that would them make the wheelbarrow much more useful as it would be more applicable in a wider variety of mine types. Think about where the game can be expanded. It is fine how it is now, but where can the game grow?
There have been several posts that immediately discarded this idea because wheels are round. Surely this means there are several readers who have done likewise but not commented. I implore you to read the entire post and open this post by saying this: The wheel would only be round in the inventory. Any model showing a wheel would have that wheel be square.
If you still are not convinced, redpine has brought up quite the valid point. Snowballs, slimeballs, ghastballs, and records are all circular! :tongue.gif:
I think Minecraft is missing two important things. A way to carry more items and an alternate source of string. My proposed solution for these problems comes in a circular form.
Yes a wheel! It would not take much resources but would then be used in other crafting recipes, like the following.
I imagine the wheelbarrow would look similar to this:
Ahaha! Yes a square wheel. XD I think it would look both awesome and hilarious, especially when it begins to spin. Anyhow, the wheelbarrow would be a vehicle controlled much like a boat. You would have the option to hold shift to pivot the wheelbarrow about on a fixed axis. While manning the wheelbarrow you would not be able to jump, that means anywhere you want to use a wheelbarrow must be accessible via stairs, half-blocks, or just plain old flat ground.
You would also not be able to craft while using a wheelbarrow, your hands are full. Instead you would see this:
Using the wheel you would also be able to make a Spinning Wheel!
I picture something similar to this being placed like any other block:
This would finally give a use to wool and allow players to make string. The Spinning Wheel would only work while you are interacting with it and would convert one block of wool to nine pieces of string. Right clicking on the Spinning wheel would give you a screen like the next picture. Several people have posted that they feel 9 string is way too many to be receiving from one piece of wool. Many have also posted that they think the player should not be able to make string at all. The number is variable and ultimately would be the choice of Notch. There has been a suggestion I would like to mention however. Mystify has suggested that there be a division made between string and spider silk. Depending on which you used it would alter the quality of the item in the same way that a diamond sword is better than a wooden sword.
Problems?
"I am not comfortable with circles..." Don't worry, its only like that in the inventory. Any model in game would have a square shaped wheel :biggrin.gif:
"This changes the whole value of string. It is supposed to be difficult to get. Players have to hunt down spiders for it. It makes a bow very valuable." Alright lets examine this for a second. Minecraft is based more or less on real life. String is a very very basic commodity. Ancient civilizations made it all the time. You do not have to kill a deer and rip out its tendons to make string, though that is a viable option. People have been making lashings for millenniums. Now for the second part of that. A Spinning Wheel still requires a string to make it, so a player will have had to kill some spiders to get it. String becomes a much more easily obtained resource, but you do still need to have killed a spider or two to get it. Happy?
"Now wait a minute! What is a player to do with all the string that will suddenly become available to him?" This is the part I like. String suddenly becomes as common and an item as wood, and could become as crucial, leaving Notch plenty of room to expand the tech-tree of crafting. I know many players have really been wanting to see ropes. Players could create a loom to convert string into cloth; and from there? Sails, bags, more decor like clothing, curtains, rugs.
"This still leaves the players with a lot of string and not much to do with it. How do you propose to fix that?" Simple, Redstone. Redstone is an endgame item that has incredible uses. If you have the resources to acquire redstone, you are going to have the resources to make string. Now many of you are not going to like this, but hear me out. Redstone in dust form can no longer be used as wire. Instead, players will actually make wire. With increased discussion on this topic, I think having dust and wire coexist would be the preferable choice.
"Are you mad?! Why would you compound the cost of redstone?! It will break all my existing machines too! Burn him!" No no no no, Perhaps we can leave the dust as an option. I do not like that idea as much but its not my call. My suggestion is that all redstone 'wire' that is already placed will become the new redstone wire. "Ha, but that is similar to giving players hundreds of strings." Yes well, they would have had the strings before if the Spinning Wheel had been implemented earlier. "I am still not convinced. Why make redstone more difficult to use?" Ah, now we come to the exciting part. The new redstone wire, would be wire, not dust. In this way you could put wire on walls and ceilings! :biggrin.gif: I love this idea. It means a lot of work for Notch, but hey, its his job isn't it?
"Why would I make a wheelbarrow when I can make a minecart and put a chest in it. Geez! This is already in the game." No its not! I should smack you people! Minecarts take iron, and the tracks take even more. Not only that but if you wish to travel with your goods, it takes another cart and likely another propulsion system... or you could use the glitch to have them propel each other.. but that would take twice as much track, and therefor iron! This is not a minecart copy! Comparing the two is ridiculous. Stop the ridiculousness. Stop it now.
Any more questions? Ridicule? Comments? Concerns?
Also! If we ever want this to reach the eyes of we are going to have to make this thread well known. If you are reading this and like the idea of it, post something! Even if it is as simple as.
"I think this would be a great addition to the game. Please add this Notch!"
Try to keep the thread alive!
Also! ...again. I made a little banner. If you could put it in your signature it would help spread knowledge, and hopefully support, about the wheel in Minecraft.
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The problem I see with this is that unlike Halo you do not simply join a Minecraft server and play. You join a certain server and join that certain server over and over again, because that certain server and only that certain server has your items and projects on it. Minecraft is not an arcade game like Halo. You do not play in rounds. You do not say "Who wants to join my game because this game has stupid options?" You play on your server. You can't do this kind of thing with Minecraft.
Another difference between games with quick hosting and Minecraft is that the only things the server needs to know in Halo is the players and a pre-defined small map. Sure, click that Host Server button. A couple people join, head off in odd directions the map triples in size, congratulations, you suddenly have a 30Mb file from that one click and an hour of gameplay. Tomorrow you click it again, Oh look another 30Mb.
A server running a Minecraft world has to do a whole lot more computations then a server running a game like Halo. In most games if you play in a server that is being hosted by the same computer as someone playing the game you are going to have lag. Minecraft relies on dedicated servers.
Another reason for that is players play on the server at many different times.
For Minecraft multiplayer I am opposed to anything that is not a 24/7 dedicated server.
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Dig Dug Dude, I think putting nine string together shouldn't give you wool. -.- It doesn't really make sense, and it wastes your string. Instead I think it should make cloth. Then more crafts could be made from the cloth. But yeah, you understand what the wheelbarrow is about. I've had several people who are just not getting it. You should add my new banner to your signature. :biggrin.gif:
Rarensu, :biggrin.gif:
spartacuscat, lols
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MrNomNoms, you are missing the point. This is an incredibly primitive technology. In Minecraft we are able to create explosives, smelt metals, even make paintings, yet remain unable to make a simple wheel. Also, as I have said in several other places. Mine carts require track and a significant amount of iron. The wheelbarrow would be for the pre-I-have-enough-iron-to-build-a-freight-train stage, for trips you do not need to take large amounts of material more many times (like a construction project), or where minecarts would just not work out very well (like large farms). You didn't even comment on the other ideas like the spinning wheel or redstone wire.
But seriously! Are you really going to compare
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(log representing wheel)
With
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(Yes I know you add the chest afterwards)
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There is no comparison! Especially if you only plan to make the trip once or twice so that you can build a building. And that is assuming you only want to go 16 spaces which I really doubt. No one would waste the time or resources to set up tracks to use a minecart for this purpose. The wheelbarrow would be sitting around your house and you would just grab it whenever you needed it and head off.
Also, if you are going to criticize, make it constructive. Your comment did nothing to help Minecraft. :tongue.gif:
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The_Phantom_Potato, that is just the problem. We don't need another string source, because string is nearly useless. After you have gotten a dozen or so there is really no pressing need to get any more unless you want to make an army of dispenser turrets. I still like the wheel barrow though. The real problem is it takes too long to transfer items. When you are in a screen with the chest or wheelbarrow you should be able to left click on stacks of items to transfer them to the opposite inventory. A wheelbarrow would be very useful in many situations. Certainly not in exploring, but consider a large construction project, or strip mining. Also, perhaps one could combine the string and wheel to make a pulley that would be used with the implementation-in-progress piston mod to create an elevator that would them make the wheelbarrow much more useful as it would be more applicable in a wider variety of mine types. Think about where the game can be expanded. It is fine how it is now, but where can the game grow?
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If you still are not convinced, redpine has brought up quite the valid point. Snowballs, slimeballs, ghastballs, and records are all circular! :tongue.gif:
I think Minecraft is missing two important things. A way to carry more items and an alternate source of string. My proposed solution for these problems comes in a circular form.
Yes a wheel! It would not take much resources but would then be used in other crafting recipes, like the following.
I imagine the wheelbarrow would look similar to this:
Ahaha! Yes a square wheel. XD I think it would look both awesome and hilarious, especially when it begins to spin. Anyhow, the wheelbarrow would be a vehicle controlled much like a boat. You would have the option to hold shift to pivot the wheelbarrow about on a fixed axis. While manning the wheelbarrow you would not be able to jump, that means anywhere you want to use a wheelbarrow must be accessible via stairs, half-blocks, or just plain old flat ground.
You would also not be able to craft while using a wheelbarrow, your hands are full. Instead you would see this:
Using the wheel you would also be able to make a Spinning Wheel!
I picture something similar to this being placed like any other block:
This would finally give a use to wool and allow players to make string. The Spinning Wheel would only work while you are interacting with it and would convert one block of wool to nine pieces of string. Right clicking on the Spinning wheel would give you a screen like the next picture. Several people have posted that they feel 9 string is way too many to be receiving from one piece of wool. Many have also posted that they think the player should not be able to make string at all. The number is variable and ultimately would be the choice of Notch. There has been a suggestion I would like to mention however. Mystify has suggested that there be a division made between string and spider silk. Depending on which you used it would alter the quality of the item in the same way that a diamond sword is better than a wooden sword.
Problems?
"I am not comfortable with circles..." Don't worry, its only like that in the inventory. Any model in game would have a square shaped wheel :biggrin.gif:
"This changes the whole value of string. It is supposed to be difficult to get. Players have to hunt down spiders for it. It makes a bow very valuable." Alright lets examine this for a second. Minecraft is based more or less on real life. String is a very very basic commodity. Ancient civilizations made it all the time. You do not have to kill a deer and rip out its tendons to make string, though that is a viable option. People have been making lashings for millenniums. Now for the second part of that. A Spinning Wheel still requires a string to make it, so a player will have had to kill some spiders to get it. String becomes a much more easily obtained resource, but you do still need to have killed a spider or two to get it. Happy?
"Now wait a minute! What is a player to do with all the string that will suddenly become available to him?" This is the part I like. String suddenly becomes as common and an item as wood, and could become as crucial, leaving Notch plenty of room to expand the tech-tree of crafting. I know many players have really been wanting to see ropes. Players could create a loom to convert string into cloth; and from there? Sails, bags, more decor like clothing, curtains, rugs.
"This still leaves the players with a lot of string and not much to do with it. How do you propose to fix that?" Simple, Redstone. Redstone is an endgame item that has incredible uses. If you have the resources to acquire redstone, you are going to have the resources to make string. Now many of you are not going to like this, but hear me out. Redstone in dust form can no longer be used as wire. Instead, players will actually make wire. With increased discussion on this topic, I think having dust and wire coexist would be the preferable choice.
"Are you mad?! Why would you compound the cost of redstone?! It will break all my existing machines too! Burn him!" No no no no, Perhaps we can leave the dust as an option. I do not like that idea as much but its not my call. My suggestion is that all redstone 'wire' that is already placed will become the new redstone wire. "Ha, but that is similar to giving players hundreds of strings." Yes well, they would have had the strings before if the Spinning Wheel had been implemented earlier. "I am still not convinced. Why make redstone more difficult to use?" Ah, now we come to the exciting part. The new redstone wire, would be wire, not dust. In this way you could put wire on walls and ceilings! :biggrin.gif: I love this idea. It means a lot of work for Notch, but hey, its his job isn't it?
"Why would I make a wheelbarrow when I can make a minecart and put a chest in it. Geez! This is already in the game." No its not! I should smack you people! Minecarts take iron, and the tracks take even more. Not only that but if you wish to travel with your goods, it takes another cart and likely another propulsion system... or you could use the glitch to have them propel each other.. but that would take twice as much track, and therefor iron! This is not a minecart copy! Comparing the two is ridiculous. Stop the ridiculousness. Stop it now.
Any more questions? Ridicule? Comments? Concerns?
Also! If we ever want this to reach the eyes of
"I think this would be a great addition to the game. Please add this Notch!"
Try to keep the thread alive!
Also! ...again. I made a little banner. If you could put it in your signature it would help spread knowledge, and hopefully support, about the wheel in Minecraft.