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    May 24, 2016
    Marcus101RR posted a message on EULA Enforcement
    Quote from TheMinecraftNerd1»

    They are stopping it now because parents were complaining to Mojang about their kids stealing credit cards and using them on these P2W servers.

    So we blame Mojang for bad parenting? Good example!
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    Jun 12, 2014
    Marcus101RR posted a message on Mojang Announcement: EULA, and Servers
    Quote from Sabinno

    You'll charge your players for whatever you think is unique and special about your server, huh?
    Reported for endorsing illegal activity.


    Reporting me for what? Running my server the way I want to run it? Mojang has no control over anyone's server. End of story.

    Quote from SabbyKat

    I would argue that this entire thing is to give them a legal leverage to go after the big-boy offenders, rather than the small-to-medium offenders. Trying to offline 30,000+ servers who are 'breaking these rules, but not in a ridiculous manner' would be a DRASTIC waste of money and resources. But those giant servers who are charging thousands for benefits would be very, VERY prime targets to go after legally. Hiding their identity too, would be extremely difficult due to the contract with server hosts and the legal avenues that would force such info to be given to the law if it came to that extent.

    Over-all I don't agree with these 'rules' in many facts.

    #1 Allowed to charge access to your server, but NOT various ranks is a horrible idea. So instead of allowing free players, and 6 tiers of donators with VERY MILD and non-game breaking perks to co-exist - we have to force people to 'pay or not play'. It means instead of a fair balance allowing players to choose if they wish to donate or not, we have to push it to a system where you pay or don't play, since we can't use a more moderate, fair method.

    #2 Generally speaking, as the poster I quoted said - really, trying to tell me what I can do or can't do on my server I pay for, on the custom plugins I've had created for my server is simply silly. Mojang doesn't own the functions/features of the addons. By rights, it should be my choice alone if a player group gets to use those plugins or nots, because I do not need to put them in the server unless I choose to do so. Players have no power over it. Don't get me wrong - not trying to come off aggressive here (text sucks for this) - merely stating it's just silly to try and control my server, which isn't paid or run by Mojang.

    #3 No capes? Really? Again, silly rules. 'Please don't use this equipment slot, because we want to use it only, k, thanks!' - why not make it so minecon or similar 'special' capes ALWAYS over ride any server-side capes that exist, and make it 'illegal' to create copies of those capes into plugins for use? No stepping on toes, and restricts the intended function of the rule to the rule, instead of a blanket-ban which is silly and lazy.

    #4 Charging for currency. this is bit of a pecker, as I see the validity of both sides. On one side, it's a nice feature of 'time vs effort' - pay to save your time to get ahead in the server (or more likely, to catch up somewhat to veteran players if a new player). Yet the other side, it can completely ruin a servers economy/balance if someone can literally buy everything they ever want by real life money, and really kicks the normal players in the ass, forcing them to 'donate' to even compete.

    I myself use a dual system for my server. There is a normal in game currency that is used for most economy purposes, and a secondary 'donator' currency that is not spent on shops - but spent to buy 'perks' like a donator rank or similar. However, even non-donators CAN earn this special currency without paying a single dime. It's simply balanced around time vs effort (and I don't mean spending 300 hours to get a single benefit, it's balanced around a typical 1-2 hour a day player).

    Why should a server who is fair with 'currency donations' be blocked? Why is it not the exploitive, unfair servers that are punished?




    Over-all the entire rule system is a joke, and a giant, lazy blanket-ban without any indepth thought or true effort put into making it fair for LEGIT server owners, while punishing EXPLOITIVE owners who are taking the out of people.


    And yes, in the end - I will ignore these rules. Not because I'm a 'rebel' - because I know what is fair for my server, for my players, because I care about my players as friends and players - not a paycheck, and ensure every single system I add that would breach these rules, is accepted and wanted by my player base.

    And in the end, the problem is not per say the servers - it's the players. Don't pay these prices, don't play into these exploits, and these servers will be forced to change their tones or they will die. Players hold the power. Use it. :)


    SPOT ON Sir.

    I think these are the points that matter:
    1. You payed for the minecraft client.
    2. You did not pay for the server client, i believe its free to download and use by anyone?
    3. How the server is run is non of mojangs business, as stated in 2., its free...
    4. How the server is setup, payed/free, ranks, tiers, doesn't matter. Over 100,000 servers exist, is one player gonna be a ***** about it and stay on it? No, he has 99,000 servesr to choose from.

    Servers can charge for anything, whenever, however they want. I do not see this working out for mojang...not one bit. I would love to hear some input from the mojang team, but I am pretty sure their lawyers have advised them to be hush-hush about it.

    Quote from Habanero

    So you're going to intentionally engage in illegal activities and potentially get your server taken down just because you don't like the rules?


    How is it illegal my friend? Bukkit at the moment is the only way to make freelancing java script coding and if you create a plugin that makes ranks for paid services, are you really gonna throw your +3 weeks of hardcoded work in the trash because mojang says NO? Nope.

    My effort, my work, my rules.
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    Jun 12, 2014
    Marcus101RR posted a message on Mojang Announcement: EULA, and Servers
    Quote from mrcooldude232

    Wait, so we are no longer allowed to sell things like kits, and other stuff legally... so half the servers in mine craft are gone...
    Let me give you some examples of people that are no longer following the EULA:
    Mineplex
    Hypixel
    Skydoesminecraft's Server
    And pretty much mostly every other server in the universe, including mine. This is very disappointing.


    Think about it, what is mojang gonna do exactly? They can't spend their money to create cease and desists and lawsuits...its not possible. They would be losing money, didn't they post a thread 6 months ago about mojang "IF" not making enough money, minecraft would still be developing for about another 10 years before they have to close down?

    I can see that this is absolute fail. I will charge my players for whatever I feel is unique and special about my server, they can't do anything about it. With all the mods/plugins out there, so what If I use special capes? Special items that we normally do not have? We payed for the game to run a server and play it.

    GG Mojang, you won't win this round, starting to sound just like the rest of the companies.
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    Jun 12, 2014
    Marcus101RR posted a message on Mojang Announcement: EULA, and Servers
    This is an interesting subject, but, we all know minecraft games alike have done this many times. What will they do to enforce this rule? Shut down your server? Can they even find out who runs/owns it?

    1. I have run a server under an alias with fake information before, and even on a private machine, which means they wouldn't be able to contact the host, because the host would be me, and the email would be unresponsive.

    2. How I run a server, what ranks/tiers are payed for, or content I decide to run via plugins is non of their business...

    Sounds to be like a fail by mojang to be honest. You cannot control how servers are being run...

    I would love to see the reactions and discussions on this matter, this is sure to fail. I can't see anything bad happening if someone ignores these rules...

    *ignores them*
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    Jun 12, 2014
    Marcus101RR posted a message on Mojang Announcement: EULA, and Servers
    Quote from The_Fool76

    You are already dancing over that Piracy line by running your server in offline mode. It lets anyone connect even those who have pirated the game.

    Another thought to consider is that server hosts will probably update their own terms to reflect Mojang's. So all Mojang might need to do is send a note to the host and have them take your server down. (Obviously this is only an issue if you don't self-host.)

    So there are a number of things they can do to discourage most people.


    Offline mode does not verify or prove its piracy. I'm talking literally about downloading and using minecraft without paying. The whole, torrenting business. Which offline does not prove, it can be used, but does not prove.

    My point is, and with that, I leave the minecraft community because If this succeeds, minecraft will be dead in heartbeat. ( it won't, people will still charge you for what they believe in), that the server you host, where ever you host, is fully under your control. If you chose a public host, yes they will follow mojang like lapdogs, if you host it with your own money, your own dedi box, and service, mojang has no chance except to file a cease and desist order directly against you (this would hurt them more than it hurts you).

    Fact is, servers will continue to use ranks, kits, mods, plugins, to charge players to keep themselves alive, is it unfair? Maybe, is it wrong? maybe, is it unethical maybe? You are forgetting one thing, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PLAY ON THAT SERVER. You are still in control of FREE WILL, "Choice". To choose or not to choose to play...

    100k servers, you cannot tell me that atleast one server in the world is to your liking...

    Alas, I await for my C&D letter from Mojang, Good luck fellow hosters!
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    Jun 12, 2014
    Marcus101RR posted a message on Mojang Announcement: EULA, and Servers
    Quote from Mr_Pint

    Report you for illegally acquiering money through someone else's property. They have control over the Minecraft copy you base your server off of.


    What property? The server? Last I checked, they do not OWN my server, this is why I do not USE REALMS. My own server box, my own hardware, my own internet connection, my own network. The only thing I am using is minecraft server.exe or java. Which is free to download on their site, on top of that, bukkit, also free...

    the rest is configurations, plugins, etc...

    No violations here, just hard coded work, I can charge for anything I want on my server, even if its a wooden sword (stupid example), I cannot however, SELL minecraft or a server...that is against the rules. It, that is like me controlling you to breath. Every time you take a breath, you have to pay me $50. I am in control here, not you.
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    Jun 12, 2014
    Marcus101RR posted a message on Mojang Announcement: EULA, and Servers
    Quote from Habanero

    What? Are you serious?



    You are given the right to run a server...for a game made by Mojang. They made the game, they make the rules, and breaking them violates the Minecraft EULA. Owning a server doesn't automatically give you the right to do whatever you want with no consequences.


    FACT: Owning "a Server" is not a crime. FACT: A server is a machine that runs on a cpu, psu, etc hardware. FACT: a server is not minecraft. FACT: Minecraft server is a software that runs on hardware, software can be changed to run to your choosing the way you intend it to run.

    If I don't want windows to save my files in my documents, by god, I will make windows do what I want, not microsoft. The same applies to minecraft with mojang. I have a LICENSE, I repeat, a LICENSE to use the software, to and however I wish.

    AFAIK, I cannot sell the license, hence THAT would violate the rules.

    And they are more than welcome to take the right away from me to run and host a server. Good luck hacking into the server box and shutting it down. I welcome their attempt. The ONLY thing i see wrong and is against the rules. I selling minecraft, or a server without the license to do so...

    That's like selling alcohol without a license. However, if I am running a server, which is a service of my own terms and permissions, is fully under my control...

    again, if MOJANG wants to control servers, let them add a login to system to the server client. Is that so hard? Let's see how long it takes for you to ragequit when you try to run a server but it says:

    Please entire login information...

    *Enters login information*

    checking...

    Sorry, you are not allowed to host a server online, you have violated EULA. Server is set to LAN MODE only.

    GG.
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    Jun 12, 2014
    Marcus101RR posted a message on Mojang Announcement: EULA, and Servers
    Quote from SabbyKat

    Ehh... I'd argue not entirely laziness. The key issue with servers, is FINDING the good servers. There's so many damn servers out there, it's hard to get the good servers noticed and off the ground. It's far from cheap in time or finances to get a server up and into a successful field, even as a decent, fair, unique server simply due to the start up logistics and the burn out you experience attempting to do so. Though, i have no real idea how to offer a way to get around this in a simple way.

    But again, it's really down to the players. Don't pay for the bad, the bad goes away. Really simple 101 of economics.


    I totally agree, if people ignore the crappy servers, they will die. However, too many people have bad IQ levels, so the economy gets inflated...

    Also, my theory on this subject is. Mojang noticed that MineCraft realms was a success since basically mojang provides a minecraft server for you, but they have COMPLETE control over it.

    Now they want to do the same with those that are not using realms, good luck with that.
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    Jun 12, 2014
    Marcus101RR posted a message on Mojang Announcement: EULA, and Servers
    Quote from Retic

    I will laugh if it actually succeeds. Seriously, it isn't fair having items people can spend tons of money on to instantly win.


    The only way this will succeed, is if mojang recodes minecraft with a master-server. This would mean that if your account gets flagged for abusing these rules, they will suspend your ability from hosting a minecraft server on your account. This also means in order to run a server on any machine you need to login to your account.

    So basically it will be just like minecraft client.

    1. Login, to host server.
    2. Check if account is flagged for violations.
    3. If not violation, host server.
    4. Profit.

    ELSE
    3. Account flagged for violations.
    4. Server disabled for online play, only LAN players can join.
    5. YOU LOSE, GOOD DAY SIR.

    That is the only way mojang can control servers, which i doubt their team will program. So 100,000 servers will continue to operate and abuse the EULA, which means absolutely crap. I don't see how this will be beneficial to anyone.
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    Mar 28, 2014
    Marcus101RR posted a message on Minecraft Convention Scams - What You Need to Know
    Quote from cooldude1128

    Hooooleeey ­. One heck of a nightmare. They can probably find a good reason to sue this *******.


    Doubt it, I live near that location. Matter of fact I attended a Anime/Game Convention that is also poorly organized and had to pay 10 bucks to enter. Kids running, no security, and mostly volunteers on no pay. Various people attacked the facebook of that group.

    SITE: http://cgashows.com/home.php

    They still exist today, repeating the same mistake over and over again. Nothing can be done, various people got blocked from their facebook so they cannot post complaints. Police was once called, nothing was done. This is the same thing being explained here. Honestly, the news video and Bebox Video is just meh info, I didn't even need to finish watch either videos to see what was wrong with that picture.

    I am gonna be honest with you, that was the last time I ever will attend a convention of any sort unless its an official high-end convention that's gonna cost you 50-80 bucks and is located in places like Orlando/Tampa, and well known. If it is not, you best just stay at home. So, the people at fault here are those that went. They should have done research before attending this place, matter of fact, the group to blame is the parents for falling for kids who love this highly-entertaining game. It's popular and people are not gonna question its social groups.

    I smell no lawsuit or anything, this is gonna blow over, its like you bought a crappy 50 dollar video game and it turns out to be crap cause you did not Demo the thing first.

    I guarantee you, whoever was in charge of that event, didn't do anything illegal. He bought a site, designed the images, and offered a place. No one is getting sued. Good luck.

    Quote from Benjamin5349

    Surely there has to be some sort of class action lawsuit or something? Please tell me he isn't going to get away with this!


    Get away with what? Parents not driving to the location before the event, asking the owners of the building if the event is legit? If the person involved has a phone number? Ask the event hoster details? Events are required to post addresses as well as phone number for contact? I see no info in the news nor in bebox that people tried to call, or tried to get information. I don't want to hear "I emailed, but no reply" BS.

    The people are at fault.

    Quote from Puredarkness

    My total agreement with Bebop is total. What is, in my opinion, the most despicable thing was the fake famous youtube channel thing. I'm no youtuber, but advertisement is NOT how you get famous. At least Mojang can sue the organisers for using Mojang registered images.


    Photoshopping an image and changing it slightly will make it near impossible to really get a lawsuit for that. Besides, the site doesn't exist still does it? No evidence, you pretty much have to reply on someone having a full screenshot/download archive of the site.

    SITE: http://www.motmfl.com/
    ORIGINAL SITE: motm2k13.com

    Appears down, but running. So yeah, NO ONE did ANY research before attending this. Funny, its a GO DADDY SITE

    Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
    Posted in: Minecraft News
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