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    posted a message on What the heck?
    That sounds like a hardware issue on your end, then.

    Check your mouse settings, and make sure that your double-click speed is set low enough so that you're not doing it by accident.

    If you do inadvertently make a second thread, report one of them, and we'll remove it for you.
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    posted a message on mods, could you answer some questions for me ?
    The explanation is here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=323745#p4472774, fourth paragraph. True, it's not in the thread, but oh well.

    It's a thread. Move on. You don't have to agree with the closure, you just have to accept it. Some users act like closing a thread is like killing a puppy. It's only a thread. That particular discussion started with a flame, had some good discussion points, and was devolving into a debate on whether spiney's avatar and sig were porn. citric decided it was due to end. End of line. Shrug, sigh, move on with your life.

    Personally, I afford as much respect for a user's post/threads as doesn't interfere with the running of this site and the ability for the staff to do their jobs. This means that I don't care how indignant a user might be over an issue: If you're going to make it public and if your one little issue that hurt your pride is going to damage the authority of staff to run the massive site as needed, that's not going to fly with me. It's one of many reasons we request that any issue you have with an action be taken up IN PRIVATE to an Admin.

    As for powerhungry/zealous mods, we know, some of you don't like some of them. We get it. They kill "puppies" and gladly issue Warnings and Bans to you and your friends. I'll say it again; perhaps instead of blaming the cop writing you the speeding ticket, how about not speeding in the first place? Looking down on moderators for doing the job they are tasked with, and resenting Admins for enforcing a "police state" won't get you anywhere. This is a private forum, you are guests, and that's not going to change. As long as, you, our guests, behave yourselves, we do as best as we can to make your stay a pleasant one.

    If you DO see actions or statements by moderators that are out of line, once again, PM an ADMIN about it. Not another Moderator. citric can handle it quickest, but the rest of us will get to them in short order. We'll handle it internally, and have done so on quite a number of occasions, even in the short time I've been an Admin.
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    posted a message on mods, could you answer some questions for me ?
    Quote from Beltir »
    Uh, mods? Admin? Hellooooo?

    Can I at least get a response to this? Even, "Shut up Beltir, you're an idiot." [/sarcasm]
    Quote from theicychameleon »
    @Beltir: I've dealt with the remainder of those links (except for one that wasn't breaking any rules). But seriously, theres over a third of a million users here. You shouldn't expect these things to get picked up on instantly. If you want something dealt with, report it. We'll get to it eventually.


    My apologies, I said I'd get to it, but I haven't been online since. Thanks, icy, for responding!
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    posted a message on mods, could you answer some questions for me ?
    Quote from ArnoldPalmer »

    okay, i realize i shouldnt have attacked all of the forum with that thread, but dude, i was PISSED. for real. i mean, look at the account i made for it. i'm sorry.
    later i did rewrite it, also not perfectly but it was better. and then there was good discussion!

    so in its current state i didnt see anything wrong. just because of things that happened in past it had to be locked ? why not just remove questionable content.

    1 more thing, users tend to gang up on mods because, think about it, mods have a lot of power. users feel like they have to be a larger force than the power to make a point, so they gang up. think about it. real life riots start when a large group of people get together and start taking over power.

    one person doesnt make a riot.

    so how do you expect us to believe that we can get through to mods when the community thinks they are oppressive and have all the power ? users gang up to feel powerful. that is just how life works.

    EDIT: okay, i'm going to be called retarded for this, but people are actually payed to be admins on this site ? i thought it was all simple volunteer work ! jeeze !
    & LWK, i am just so sorry about me ruining your nice return. in this post i speak of how we know we have no power. (i personally think the official forum should be community-run, but whatevs) and yeah, i was evading a ban i suppose and looking to start a big stir. im sorry. ban me again if you feel like im still hurting this board so much.


    Apology accepted, and I'm sorry for being pissed for my part.

    Threads are typically closed instead of cleaned when the whole thread would have to be cleaned. If the OP is going to still generate problems, it's sometimes just better to finish it.

    The problem with riots in a place like this is that it hurts the community more than it helps the problem. I can't speak for every forum on the internet, but our staff is MUCH more likely to listen to polite conversation than a thread like that one.
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    posted a message on mods, could you answer some questions for me ?
    Quote from DaBiggman »
    Quote from LightWarriorK »
    There are ways to voice legitimate concerns. That thread was not it.


    I see. Well, from what I've seen over the last few months, every thread that DID voice legitimate concerns has been locked and ignored from Admins and Moderators such as yourself. Opinions have not gotten better, they have gotten worse due to inaction on you Admins parts at reigning in bad moderators. Furthermore, you make excuses that legitimate threads are not legitimate and you pass of the complaints of the users as nothing. Then, what is worse, these same poor moderators actually get PROMOTED in the face of the users while the administrative staff rejoices.

    There is no outlet for the users, only ignorance.

    If you would like, please make us a checklist at what you consider to be a GOOD model for voicing concerns. Something like:

    1. Name
    2. Complaint
    3. Etc...

    At least this way, we could voice our concerns and who knows, maybe not get ignored, warned, or banned for simply stating we have a problem.


    First and foremost, it is not for you to know what goes behind the scenes between the Admins and the Moderators.

    Any issues with moderators are dealt with privately, and NOT in full view of other users. That said, if they are still moderators they have full support of the Admins, so you might as well get used to that. You're not going to get a public flogging or apology letter followed by a moderator getting removed simply because a VERY few users (relatively) take issue with some actions.

    We encourage feedback, and there are many threads in this forum that aren't locked that provide such. If you want a model, look at any of the ones not locked.

    What we won't tolerate is attitudes that you have some authority over how this forum is run. Curse owns the forums. The Admins run it. The Moderators enforce the rules. Users operate within those bounds. If you can't accept that, you should probably find a forum where you're going to be happier, because this one isn't going to satisfy what you're looking for.

    Personally, what I look for is thus:

    1) Polite: Even if you don't agree with the action or problem, don't act like a 10 year old with a temper-tantrum. Even if you are one.
    2) Don't break the rules and then complain about the punishment. Just don't break the rules in the first place. You agreed to follow the rules when you signed up.
    3) Don't publicly call out staff decisions. It's right in the rules: if you have an issue with an action taken against you bring it to an Admin privately. I don't care how indignant you are, nor how much you want a "torch and pitchfork" riot to depose the moderator in question.
    4) Don't try to cause a riot in any case. It negates your argument more than anything else.


    Quote from Beltir »
    Not only that, but the staff is horribly biased. I've reported many posts, that were obviously flaming the OP, that should have received a warning, but did not. The only conclusion I can come to, is since the OP was voicing a complaint about Minecraft/Mojang. They didn't get warned... In fact, the only warning issued was for "spam" because someone 1 word posted.


    If you send me a link to those, I'll look into it. That's not supposed to happen. Flaming is flaming, no matter who or what the subject of it is.

    Quote from ArnoldPalmer »
    but lightwarrior, you seem really pissed dude. I don't see how it was a "***** and moan" thread as there were many valuable points made. sure it got a little heated at times but it has still remained civil.
    things like this frustrate the community more and more at the loss of good threads. I'm really just wondering why a discussion about the rules should be locked with no official reason.


    I am. I come back from vacation to see this? A thread started by ban-evasion for the expressed purpose (even in the evasion user name) to draw a flames. msmit71 summed it up perfectly.

    Quote from DaBiggman »
    No, we won't figure it out eventually. I've been here for months and things are still run the same now as they were back in December.

    Namely: We are going to run things how we want, ignore user criticism, and lock any thread that dares discuss change. The users out of fear will shrink back into the shadows and keep quiet, just the way they like it.

    I'm sure this thread won't last long either but whatever, I've got my questions answered and won't be getting into anymore pointless discussions about or with any staff from here again.

    Bottom line: Mods and Admin can do what they want, when they want, and will not be held accountable to any standard save for their own internet power.


    Welcome to a big forum. Mods are accountable to the Admins, and we Admins are accountable to each other and Curse. I certainly don't see anyone shrinking into the shadows or staying quiet, but we sure could use a little more of it from the rulebreakers.
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    posted a message on mods, could you answer some questions for me ?
    There are ways to voice legitimate concerns. That thread was not it.
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    posted a message on mods, could you answer some questions for me ?
    The answer for all of these is "read the Disclaimer." We ask you to abide by the SPIRIT of the law, not just the letter. The Disclaimer closes the loopholes that rule-breakers and poor users LOVE to exploit. But since I know that's not a sufficient answer for some, I'll go into detail.

    Quote from ArnoldPalmer »
    hi!

    as everyone knows, these are the forum rules.
    i just have a few questions about clarification. i was recently banned and i would really like to be informed on some vague points so i dont get in trouble again.
    Bump Threads - Do not bump your own threads to get more replies or older threads that have dropped off unless there is significant new information to add. Necrothreadia is preventable disease: let the dead lie.


    okay, so how long does it have to be without any replies before you can bump your own thread ? and is there actually a rule that says you cant add to an old conversation ?


    Common sense. If your server thread or suggestion or point doesn't get any replies, and it "dies," reviving it just bumps active conversations down. If it died, it was for a reason, notably that no one wanted to reply. It's survival of the fittest. We just don't have enough room for all threads on the front page. If your thread dies, DON'T bump it, especially not with:
    Bump!


    Adding to an old conversation, it's, again, a judgement call and common sense. If you bump an old topic, and do it with more information AND there's not a newer thread on the same topic that took it's place after it died, then that's ok, usually. If you bump an old thread with "That's cool!" or "+1," that's pointless spam.


    Quote from ArnoldPalmer »
    Warnings - Infractions which warrant action against a member will earn you a Warning Point:
    1st Warning - The only actual warning-only consequence.
    2nd Warning - Banned (three days).
    3rd Warning - Banned (seven days).
    4th Warning - Warning in name only. If you have three warn points and you break a rule, you are permanently banned.


    so this account has had 4 warnings on it at one time. i wasnt banned. i got a 5th and was.
    so what are the new warning punishments ?


    Again, these aren't HARD rules. We take every situation as it comes. You had your 3-day Ban for your 2nd Warning. ez chose not to Ban you for your 3rd. Your fourth was shortened after you spoke with Swingerzetta about it. I'm not sure about the 5th one you talk about, I only see 4, ever.

    The point is, if we see a distinct pattern of behavior we'll stick closer to the schedule. If there are mitigating circumstances, we may choose to forego, lessen, or extend the bans, based on the situation at hand.


    Quote from ArnoldPalmer »
    why was this:
    http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=316799
    locked ? im just curious.

    but then, someone did this:
    http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=323716

    where in the rules does it say its illegal to repost a closed thread ? also just curious.

    thanks!


    No reason was given for the first closure, and I'll try to find out why not, but I can easily guess the reason. It was really nothing more than a "***** and moan at staff" thread. If you have an issue with an action by staff, take it to them PRIVATELY. If you have a problem with the forum in general, keep the discussion civil.

    As to the second thread, I don't care why the first one was closed. It's not an invitation to start a clone of it.
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    posted a message on How long do forum warnings stay on your account for?
    You have 3 active Warnings. Jan 30, 2011, Feb 28, 2011, and April 5, 2011. They will expire accordingly.
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    posted a message on Group status "Pending"
    Just iKaleb. It has to be done individually. If I'm alerted to it, then I can take care of it, but I don't have the time to go through everyone individually who may or may not have been approved yet.

    But Em0srawk, you're good to go now.
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    posted a message on Group status "Pending"
    Check it now. Does that work?
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    posted a message on Do the Minecraft Forum staff actually care?
    Search being down is not about staff caring. It's about keeping this site online until the move.

    Now, before this turns into a staff flame-fest,

    Thread Closed.
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    posted a message on these forums... i might leave them
    Quote from miauw62 »
    i say we merge the screenshots forum whit the beta- survival mode forum, and remove the official image thread(s).
    this will make more decent users come to the beta- survival mode forum and fix the forums.


    After the ridiculous amount of complaining and lobbying FOR the screenshots and videos subforums, now we're supposed to take it away? We went through in detail, particularly myself and Trunksbomb, about the risks of more subforums like that. You all wanted them anyways, so now you have them.

    When we tell you "no" you all get up in arms that we don't listen to you and that we're not serving the users needs. When we do what you want, you don't like the result, and blame the moderators and admins instead of the users causing the problems.

    We can't ban everyone, and we don't want to. We have tried in the past to guide users to posting better. We have stickies. We have rules. There's only so much we can to do force users to read them right now. In the end it's the community, NOT the staff, that will determine whether this forum lives (and how well it will live) or dies. We can only do so much before we become "oppressive."

    If people keep replying to the crap threads, and turn them into discussion, OF COURSE people are going to keep posting them. And every time we crack down on forums, particularly during updates, users revolt that they "have a right to post" and fume that we're being too harsh.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Minecraft is geared towards kids. Kids are bad posters. They think spam is fun, and that swearing blue is cool. They want attention and recognition for crap that doesn't belong on their mommy's refrigerator, and they think that everything they do is the coolest thing we've ever seen. Their ideas are "smarter" than Notch's are, and they're entitled to voice them.

    It's the way things are. We can mitigate them, with what limited resources we have right now, but it's NOT going to go away. Certainly not without making things oppressive around here. And believe me, if we have to make things oppressive, it won't just be the idiot kids that feel the pinch, everyone will fare alike. We don't want to be that way, it's time consuming and we already don't have enough staff.

    Quote from Pattoe »
    No. You should change more experienced sectional moderators to beta survival which is a very difficult section to moderate and put new moderators in the easier sections to moderate.

    Isn't that common sense?

    Experienced staff get the more difficult jobs, inexperienced staff should get the easier jobs.


    Who would you suggest? In case you haven't noticed, we're pretty tapped out around here for responsible, mature users.
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    posted a message on Hey, citricsquid
    Bring it to citric in private.

    Thread Closed.
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    posted a message on Would it be possible if...
    Your spell-checker is due to your browser, NOT this website, or any website. Right-click on Minecraft when it's got the red underline, and hit "Add to Dictionary."
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