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    posted a message on Lets put this Minecraft vs Terraira crap to rest right now.
    If you want to talk about Terraria, please visit their forums: http://www.terrariaonline.com/forum/

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    posted a message on Minecraft vs. Terraria: The Pros and Cons
    This is a Minecraft forum, and the "Minecraft vs. Terraria" conversations are really just back and forths on which a user likes better. If you want to talk about Terraria, please go to their forums: http://www.terrariaonline.com/forum/

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    posted a message on Steam
    Moved to Other Games.
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    posted a message on More Snips
    We typically don't leave the links lying around to be clicked on.

    One of two things are supposed to happen when advertising spammers are found:
    1) Their threads are moved promptly off the visible part of the forum by the moderators who find them, or better yet

    2) Their accounts are deleted (along with all their posts) by an Administrator.
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    posted a message on Poll Problems
    The best way, that I have found, to fix a buggy poll, is rather than try to edit it, just delete the poll, and then edit a brand new one in, from scratch.
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    posted a message on Ban appeal tickets
    I have a meeting and can't get too deep into this....

    Quote from KarkasmolenKlok »
    by that logic,
    394,167 members x 0.01 amount of them fit to be admins = 3,941 administrators.

    It's really a really weak excuse for not fixing the problem. You and I both know that there's no good reason you only have three administrative staff on here considering the workload, no good reason why you couldn't have people specifically assigned to the answering of tickets and investigating contested bans and warnings. I bet if you really looked you could triple the administrative staff by the end of the week, and have them fully trained by the end of the next week (with the exception of the very technical like mySQL coding).

    The Admin Staff (citric, aera, and WebTM) have the most power over the forums, aside from Curse. They can change anything and everything. Having more of them gets exponentially riskier if you don't trust them explicitly. This is why they are the paid positions.

    Now that doesn't mean a group can't be set up to weed through the support tickets, but that's another debate, I think.

    Quote from KarkasmolenKlok »
    What is the likely damage posed by the risk of abuse compared to the problems and frustration caused by the present setup when one considers the potential of adding new staff from the list of applicants taken not too long ago?

    Consider that the problem caused by abuse is that it detracts from the function and enjoyment of the boards. But sacrificing the function of the boards to prevent potential detriment to the function and enjoyment of the boards which, frankly, is probably less than the detriment caused by the present policy is senseless and self-defeating.

    This is a point-of-view issue. From the user's point of view, the risk is worth the reward. From the Admin and Moderator's point of view....in some cases it might even out, and we try to strike a good balance most of the time. However, those who run the forum need to make sure that it continues to run, and this means trusting those who staff it. Yes, I could unilaterally promote everyone in this thread to Global Moderator right now....but if only one of you gets it in your head that "n00bs should all be Banned," that could be devastating, and have long-term consequences for the site. So I won't be doing that.

    Trust is earned, faith is given.

    Quote from KarkasmolenKlok »
    The strictness in policy seems to be very situational. Correct me if I am misled in this regard, but other times you have added relatively new and unknown individuals, have you not? And would it really be so impossible to establish a training regimen for potential moderators and a probationary period where their actions would be closely scrutinized as to prevent abuse? You speak about "I wouldn't trust a gun to a person" but I swear it's far easier to get a real gun than to minecraftforum.net you to accept a few more volunteers to handle reports, lock threads, and answer tickets.

    And seriously, perspective here? It's like not putting out a fire in your house because you're worried about water damage. The gridlock in your staff, the failure to grow and adapt to the needs of the forum, and the constant defensive posture taken towards potential improvements or solutions ensures problems in place of the risk of the lesser problems that may or may not arise from accepting it.

    Again, I'm not advocating handing out FTP access to Ygdrasel here, consider what I am saying fairly. I am advocating allowing some regulars who you know aren't here to **** up the place to help with basic tasks and giving the existing staff better training and tools with which to do their jobs. I don't think that's unreasonable, and if I don't know what I am talking about please enlighten me as to the flaw in my reasoning.


    I would chalk a lot of the failures up to "delayed expectation of when the move will happen." We've been waiting, just like everyone. There are problems we could fix, but we've been putting them off since we'll be switching to a whole new system at some point very soon now.

    I would be more than happy to assign basic tasks to some users. We've talked about a "Janitor" position before, users who would be able to close and move threads, but not have Warning and Banning capabilities. It's something we still discuss and may do, once the move happens.


    Ugghhh, damn, I'm out of time, sorry. It's 9:56am, and I have a 10am meeting....and then meetings most of the day. I'll come back to this when I can.
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    posted a message on IPB Discussion, apparently...
    I can say this: It's going to be a much better site than we have right now.
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    posted a message on Mod bias
    I have been thinking about the term "punishment" (one reason why it's taken me so long to reply). On forums, a "punishment" for a mod would come in the form of a Public Apology, a Warning, a Ban, or a Suspension. But those don't seem appropriate to me, for the simple reason that a moderator that is publicly punished, and not just talked to in private by the other staff, loses ALL authority to do their job. Who would respect a moderator who issued a public letter on how they were biased or trolling or whatever? Who would accept a Warning from a moderator who got a warning themselves for the same thing? And what good would a Banned or Suspended moderator do us?

    I feel the same was Swingerzetta on this; if a moderator does something "punishable," meaning something is done and proven to be not just errant but willfully negligent and/or malicious and it has gone past the point of just talking to the mod to readjust their modus operandi, that moderator should be removed.

    But if that happens, it'll be an internal matter, handled in private. No good would come of a public "trial and execution." Problems with staff are dealt with by the Admins alone, so no "mobs" or "riots" can gain momentum. I've seen it happen before, and the fallout tore the community to pieces....and that was on a corporation-run forum, the old RCT3 Atari forums, and it lost over half of its regular posters because of it.


    One of the problems with phpBB (at least what we have installed) that I've found personally annoying is that there is no record tied to posts of "who did what." It's why we list our edits and lock posts we edit, so there's some record of our actions. As with many other problems, this should be fixed when we move.

    However, if a moderator just closes a report and does nothing, it's impossible (as far as I have been made aware) to track down who closed it. Especially with report closure notifications not working. What this means is that it's very hard to build a case against a specific moderator for actions against a specific group, IF bias is occurring. Any clear evidence of such should be brought to an Admin immediately.

    Trolling and Flaming are, well....Trolling and Flaming. No matter who it is directed towards. If Hitler came onto this forum and said, "Hallo! Ich bin Adolf!" and was instantly met with choruses of "**** you!" those flames would still be against the rules.

    So for reporting, I don't think you can do any more than you're already doing, not with the system we currently have, but if you do notice a report closed without action, where action should have taken place, PM an Admin, or better yet mention it on IRC. I would suggest, though, that keeping cool about it, not instantly claiming "mod bias" will get it answered sooner. As Basic showed with some of the above examples, there are sometimes other circumstances at work.

    I hope that helps, some.
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    posted a message on Say NO to [([CHAT])]!!
    Those two threads you linked are old. The second one was closed when Chat threads were disallowed, back in February, and the first one was caught and closed 33 minutes after it was started in March.

    As for "tons more," I ran the search you said: http://www.minecraftforum.net/search.php?keywords=%5Bchat%5D&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=titleonly&sr=topics&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

    In that search, I don't see any chat threads like are being discussed here. I see:
    - this thread
    - titles that use "chat" but are about a specific topic: "Chat about the universe/you're religion's god"
    - problems with IRC
    - talks about chat mods

    If you go back far enough, you do start to see chat threads, but the were closed or died naturally before we started closing them.
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    posted a message on Say NO to [([CHAT])]!!
    And good argument to you as well.

    I also do not see any [Chat] threads in Off-Topic, so they've either been removed already or.....?
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    posted a message on STOP BANNING ME FOR NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!
    PM me with your details. There are no other accounts for your IP, so either you're just getting temp. banned and it's like msmit71 has said, or you have other accounts on other IPs that have been banned. In either cases, threads like this do no good, especially when you flame in it.

    Warning Issued, Thread Closed.
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    posted a message on Question About Accounts
    Quote from caseyds620 »
    Can a mod please lock this topic.


    Done.
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    posted a message on Say NO to [([CHAT])]!!
    But if you're discussing redstone circuits and you start chatting, that's off-topic and spam. Topics are supposed to stay on topic to the OP. If you just want to "shoot the ****," that's what we have IRC for.

    A topic that has a specific topic identified and stays on-topic isn't a chat thread.

    There is, of course, leniency for friendly banter within the topic, of course. But someone chatting "I like turtles!" in a restone thread, and 5 other people taking up the topic....that's the sort of thing you see in a chat thread, but in this case it would be thread derailment and spam.
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    posted a message on Question About Accounts
    There are no "buisness accounts" on this forum, sorry.

    Advertising, even for non-profit, is not allowed. This is a Minecraft discussion forum, and not a venue for free advertisement. If you wish to advertise, you need to get in touch with Curse, who run this forum, and discuss their formal ad policies with them. Their links are at the bottom of the page.

    A permaban is supposed to be permanant. It's not a go-ahead to open another account. If you were removed for advertising, that should have been the hint.

    And triple-posting isn't allowed under any circumstances. If the event arises that an OP needs more space, we can modify the thread to allow it.
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    posted a message on Say NO to [([CHAT])]!!
    Quote from TheRevTastic »
    Say for example: [Chat] What do you think the meaning of life is?


    That wouldn't be a chat thread. In that case it's a mislabled title.
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