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Sigh, I'm disappointed at idiots who complained about Emerald ore being "too rare". Come on, that's classic example of impatient 12 year old kids. If it was to be currency based, they should have kept the emerald ore and kept it as rarity, it's basically economic 101.
Come on, folks! Please take a economic course. In my opinion, you guys don't understand how economy works. Or weight of value based on degree of rarity or limited supply. For instance, a product that only has been made in 1,000 in U.S and in ten to twenty years later, the value is extremely high due to its rarity, same idea as Emerald being rare to find, thus becoming currency (best way to do).
Now, it doesn't make sense why Jeb decided to remove the Emerald ore because of people complaining it was "too rare". I am really disappointed at idiocy of people. Also, Game developers should not have listen to its community (at some occasion, not all of it) and just implemented in what they want and believe it is best for customers instead of community deciding what is best for them.
/rant
Thanks for reading the entire thread and not making me repeat myself a third time:
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What? People complain about everything. Instead of listening to the complaints that actually matter, he cracks and removes harmless ore blocks? There's no way you can blame this on us.
Also your comment of economy is totally out of context. Emeralds are not in limited supply. You can farm assloads of wheat or what have you and sell it to villagers for easy money. AS HE SAID, emerald ore was supposed to be a "nice find," not the only means of obtaining it; people probably just didn't understand his intention there, hence the complaints.
Back to the point though, this is in no way the fault of the community. People complaining? Nothing new. With as many players as Minecraft has, how could you not expect some of those people not to have the same opinion? Or do you seriously think it's reasonable, even realistic, to expect people not to express their opinions? I'd tell you to quit now and stop coming to these forums forever, but the fact is that you won't find any other game where the case is any different than here.
"But Jimbo, if we can't throw every community member who's ever expressed a negative opinion into one group, collectively call them 'whiners,' and blame them whenever something doesn't go our way, who can we direct our hatred to?" Jee, I don't know, but maybe it's not unfair to expect game developers to learn how to deal with feedback (which they will get, always) instead of throwing a fit and punishing people for not sucking their **** whenever they add a new feature. Maybe they could be expected to listen to people and decide for themselves whether or not they think a complaint is warranted and is worth addressing, instead of closing their ears to everything.
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It seems the humble pig, once a staple food source, now a cow/horse hybrid that is inferior to both and more difficult to breed, is doomed to fall into disuse.
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Barring X-rays, there isn't really any risk of burying your valuables 10 blocks underground in the middle of some random field either.
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What the ****? First of all, if you had actually read any of the threads on ender chests, you'd see that the overwhelming majority of people thought they were fine as they were. If you think such a tiny minority of complainers has this much sway, you could reasonably argue that anything is their fault.
Secondly, you're exaggerating. The components of ender chests are only hard to get initially. Once you actually get to the Nether and find a spawner, blaze rods are easy as **** to obtain; furthermore by that point you probably have enough ender pearls to reach The End, an easy and infinite source of even more ender pearls.
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Stone balusters. Yes please. I've been asking for them for a while.
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To the OP: I agree with what most of the others have pretty much said. Something rare to keep the Nether interesting would be nice, but not emeralds. They're fine where they are now.
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Or maybe... maybe a public forum just naturally attracts this kind of attention. Maybe people with strong opinions tend to be more vocal than those who are content. Maybe the **** you read here isn't actually representative of the entire community, and maybe you shouldn't generalize an entire generation based on two or three complaint threads. Maybe, just maybe, game developers could try using their judgement and decide for themselves when a complaint is in the best interest of the community, instead of treating them all indiscriminately as whining and making themselves deaf to the feedback they asked their customers to provide.
Or maybe not. All that "thinking for yourself" sounds pretty hard.
Anyway, I'm glad this whole thing is over. Cue the release of the next snapshot and the complaints that will inevitably follow.
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You clearly don't agree with what I'd said since you still seem to think it's our fault. When I said "legitimately wrong," I meant with the game itself. As in we actually have just cause for complaining. Like when Endermen turned our houses into Swiss cheese. It's irrelevant anyway because that's not what happened here.
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I have no problem admitting that. Like I said, people complain about everything, all the time. In fact I'm pretty sure the Ender Chest has been getting more complaints than emerald ore ever did. The only difference between this and every other update ever is that Jeb actually had a very specific reason for doing something the community found strange, but failed to tell them. I can't say for sure since I was not actually among the people asking for more common ore, but I'd think I would have stopped asking immediately if I understood his intentions.
When complaints become too much to handle -- like, they're actually abnormally persistent -- it's usually a sign that something is genuinely wrong.
Yeah, that's it.
The shower was just an analogy. I'm not making a literal comparison between what Jeb did and not showering, but the principle is the same: how silly it is to blame someone for someone else's irrational behavior.
And while I might not actually go so far as to say Jeb did it out of spite, I think his motives at least pretty questionable. He claims this is the best solution, but he isn't actually doing what anyone wants, and he isn't even saving himself any trouble by inviting even more complaints to have the ore re-added. (I think you should read some of the other posts on this subject though, because there are actually kind of a lot of people that believe this is a way of sticking it to the complainers.)
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Perhaps if he had communicated his intentions before removing it, instead of overreacting and blaming people later, this would never have happened.
/signed and /whined, proudly
(So it gets said, I truly enjoyed the rest of the update, and I thank you for it Jeb. This whole ordeal has not shone a very pleasant light on you, though.)
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Actually, Jeb pretty specifically said he was tired of receiving the "same" complaint, and clarified his intentions regarding its rarity only -- he made no mention of tools or anything else. Regardless, as I and other have pointed out, this is not the first time anyone has complained about anything. Jeb just overreacted.
Also, Redstone, you made a reply to my thread which has since been hidden. Did you catch my response, or do you have anything else to say to what I wrote on page 2? (which my thread was basically a reiteration of)
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Jeb didn't "give in" to anybody, nor did he think he was doing what people wanted. He added something without properly communicating his intent (that emeralds were a nice find, not a main source of wealth), and when people didn't understand he took it away altogether, believing it to be the easier solution compared to releasing a statement and then just ignoring whomever didn't read it.
Complaining is not new. People have wanted things their way since ****ing forever. Now that someone has finally paid attention -- and given people the opposite of what they asked for -- you think it's our fault?
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Thanks for reading the entire thread and not making me repeat myself a third time:
Also your comment of economy is totally out of context. Emeralds are not in limited supply. You can farm assloads of wheat or what have you and sell it to villagers for easy money. AS HE SAID, emerald ore was supposed to be a "nice find," not the only means of obtaining it; people probably just didn't understand his intention there, hence the complaints.
Back to the point though, this is in no way the fault of the community. People complaining? Nothing new. With as many players as Minecraft has, how could you not expect some of those people not to have the same opinion? Or do you seriously think it's reasonable, even realistic, to expect people not to express their opinions? I'd tell you to quit now and stop coming to these forums forever, but the fact is that you won't find any other game where the case is any different than here.
"But Jimbo, if we can't throw every community member who's ever expressed a negative opinion into one group, collectively call them 'whiners,' and blame them whenever something doesn't go our way, who can we direct our hatred to?" Jee, I don't know, but maybe it's not unfair to expect game developers to learn how to deal with feedback (which they will get, always) instead of throwing a fit and punishing people for not sucking their **** whenever they add a new feature. Maybe they could be expected to listen to people and decide for themselves whether or not they think a complaint is warranted and is worth addressing, instead of closing their ears to everything.
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What? People complain about everything. Instead of listening to the complaints that actually matter, he cracks and removes harmless ore blocks? There's no way you can blame this on us.