Its annoying when people agree with your thread, but dont take the time to hit the like button. People, please hit the like button if you agree with me. By hitting the like button, you are not necessarily agreeing with the title of the topic; that was more or less just a way to attract peoples attention, and seeing it now, I regret not being able to think of something else. Its not realistic to limit someones ability to speak out, even if it is stupid, because then it backfires eventually on the people that arent stupid. If anything, short and biased comments should recieve a warning, being judged by smart and impartial moderators and forum admins. This is further elaborated on page 3 of the comments by yoshi9048.
First of all, you need to realize that by not supporting threads that condone space travel/technology, you are SEVERELY limiting what the player can do. Sure, redstone has its uses, but what is actually acheivable with redstone is negligable. Yeah you can build a theoretical computer in minecraft with redstone, but look how much work it took you, and look at how little it actually achieved! Without technology, the player cant do anything with his resources: There can be no automated mineing equipment, no automated building equipment, what the player can do with what he builds is next to nothing, besides making it look pretty. If you visit the my space thread you will find a link to a much more intrigueing thread that details massive warships and huge SMP possibilities that are not achievable with the overly conservative views surrounding the minecraft forum. What about a fantasy equivalent of each scifi object mentioned? What about a magic airship that can travel through space? Its powered by redstone, and redstone is magic really.
Its a very biased and overused critique to other peoples threads. What makes this all more true is that I made a thread detailing how scifi and fantsy could get along, pleasing both parties. An reasonable compromise that was shot down. I do like scifi a bit more than fantasy, but fantasy hasnt thrown me. Why cant they get along in Minecraft; Like in Warhammer 40k, Star Ocean, or Final Fantasy? I want technology because it would multiply the amount of things the player could do. If you still want that peaceful simple village of non machinary, so be it. You still have that choice. Hey guys, dont get me wrong I love games that happen to be fantasy such as Elder Scrolls.
An even better example people would be much more familiar with would be Star Wars. Yes thats right. Not only because The Force is magic by definition, but also because you see alot of ancient traditions and primitive technologies alongside more modern traditions and advanced technology.
This mod is an example of what Minecraft could feature. Its a very prime example and is part 1 of 6 so look for more on youtube if you are interested (there is a nuclear reactor in 4 I think).
So JackTDawson pretty much summed up how I feel. Thank you Jack. Here is his post:
BEFORE I found out that Minecraft was to be running during the time period of medieval times, I often had wanted more out of the game. I wanted the ability to make advanced civilizations. I mean, if you think about it, it's mine CRAFT.. You craft your world. The title to the game is not Medieval Craft. So when it was announced that this game was turning toward medieval setting, I was disappointed and had quit the game. I got bored. But, things have been added lately that brought me back not because of the medieval setting, but because I like seeing the variety of the biomes and animals and what you can CRAFT with it.
But will it last ? Medieval times will only hold people for so long. The reason we like minecraft to begin with is the ability to craft and build our world. NOT a Role Playing Game. Now I'm not saying RPG and medieval should be removed. No not at all. I'm saying, the game should still have the ability to craft even advanced items for those of us who want it. If you take a look at all the mods / plugins for the bukkit server, it will be recognized that people WANT the ability to create cities and towns. And from the videos we have seen lately, like the Vector YouTube videos, that's exactly what some have done.
Which brings us to another point, RPGs. Role Playing Games are a cool idea, but a lot of us feel it should not be the focus of the game. I'm on the fence about it because I'm using the "Wait and See" method to see which direction this is all going before saying "I love it" or "I hate it".
If one does a search for MMOs out there, FANTASY ( medieval themes ) have been done to DEATH in a ton of the games out there. So having a CRAFTING game stop at medieval technology, is just a shame and very disappointing. Again, I repeat, its a crafting game, its why we play it. There is already a ton of MMO RPG medieval type of games out there. Take WURM online for example, also started by Notch and has not gone any further then the medieval time period. And as much as its a cool game, its player base is small relative to Minecraft. So why the appeal to Minecraft ? Because your not forced to play this game in one specific way. I mean, whats the point of being creative when you run out of things to build because the game has a stopping point in the medieval times. People will get bored. I know I will.
Some will say "Well then you don't have to play it". Well if you think about it, the reason we are playing it is because of the freedom to BUILD WHATEVER we want. That is being taken away from us, and its a #1 reason others have been programming their own version of Minecraft. Its why we have so many different clones out there. Not to mention the plugins that give us the ability to make things like a computer inside of Minecraft. Which has NOTHING to do with Medieval times.
You see, keep in mind, other game companies are watching MoJang. They are watching the mistakes that are being made because they will scoop up on this whole crafting idea if Minecraft fails. And Its why I support this thread, I am using the "wait and see where this is going" method before making my final decision on weather or not this game is worth my time. And yes, other companies want to make a game that IS worth your time so you'll keep buying their games / updates / Expansions.
DARKMAGIC101 also does a fine job of explaining how we spacers/techies feel:
I feel the more you play the easier things should get, start with wood get stone, then iron then diamond. Being able to build big mining machines(like the ones in BuildCraft) would be next in my list. Now to the point. I feel the setting of minecraft is much like the game "Age of Empires", you start primitive, living in mud hunts, then you build up to medieval and so forth. I feel that in minecraft you are constantly progressing.
Why not progress pass medieval and go to industrial? You can still have fantasy. Being able to go to space in the future doesn't seem all ridiculous to me. I think (although many may disagree), the theme of the game not Fantasy, but progression, and progression to me has no setting set in stone.
On a smaller note, the example video above is not implying that "exactly that" should be applied directly to vanilla. Im suggesting that most or all of it should be included in Minecraft, but not necessarily the same way. One such thing that would not be the same if it was included in minecraft would be the ease of making automated equiptment. Automated equiptment should be something of an investment the player should only be able to make way down the road in the game, so as to preserve the survival element in Minecraft more. This thread is not about including said elements into Minecraft; it is about whether or not technology at all as a whole should be included ever.
So Ive included another poll question which is slightly off topic. Should game difficulty increase as you progress beyond your original spawn point (meaning more monsters/different monsters/etc)? And if not, there needs to be an increasing difficulty as you progress through the game, so how else? Please elaborate.
So share your thoughts and lets argue about it until the end of time.
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