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Quote from tazdar_v6

Because you used your money to start it at first.

If it doesn't work then don't force it. Stop relying on minecraft to make money for you. Mojang made it clear that the only money you will be making is to maintain servers at most.

Quote from tazdar_v6

Do you have proof that anyone's friends are more than willing to give you money?

They don't want to donate? Then why keep the server going? You simply stop the server or use your own computer for a free and low quality server. Is it that hard to think of the solution?

Quote from Netpatham

Except, except, except. Most people like a more well-crafted experience than running a server off of someone's laptop or something. And those better servers need to be able to support themselves. Alas, with this new system, you either have a paywall people really won't want to pay for, or cosmetics that will be epically useless on a majority of servers.

Which people? Strangers? I doubt your friends would mind if they are playing on a not so optimized server. This only brings back minecraft to its original intention of playing with friends and friends are more than willing to give you money to support the server if they want to keep playing. You can't anymore rely on the masses of strangers that wants power to keep the server going. What this means is that large scale servers will most likely be dead and small scale servers will be the norm. There is nothing wrong with a smaller server.

Quote from Da_Docta

If your only argument is 'get over it' then... I really can't value anything you say on this.

You still think Mojang doesn't know the effect of enforcing the EULA? At worst, people will go back to creating private servers and playing with their friends which does not affect sales at all considering that is how Minecraft started that way. I rarely play on public server myself because I enjoy playing minecraft with a few of my friends and not having to deal with pay to win servers.

Quote from DannySan626

I quote you as a WORKING ADULT, you are full of crap. Why should I pay out of pocket when players can keep it up for you with donations. Yes I have money, but does that mean all of my money has to go to a server? No. What you do NOT seem to get is there are server owners out there who use donations as a way to prevent various things happening such as grief, if a player donates money, they are less likely to grief. If you do not get the concept, you are one thick skulled individual.

So why force a public server with the current EULA? Are you still trying to convince yourself your are entitled to make money out of minecraft when Mojang wants to limit it? If mojang wants to make minecraft a full time job, they would do so and support it but they won't.

Quote from Da_Docta

so does mojang, they have no problem with people monetizing videos, and servers
The EULA is saying sure go ahead charge people to access your server.
The problem is they are trying to be the internet police and make sure everyone plays fairly.
I understand it is meant to stop from servers who take advantage of kids, but realistically, there are a bunch more servers who have true balance in their donor/non donor kits and they are being punished for the stupidity of the few.

I don't see a problem with that other than you have to scale down servers. Is there a hidden reward by reaching a certain amount of players online? Mojang did not take your ability to charge money but they simply limit it. Adapt to it and move on.

Quote from Da_Docta

youtube wasn't created for people to make a job off of it, so your argument is invalid.

The difference is youtube embraced the concept of having their customers make money off of it. Youtube earns money as well so they are more than happy to let people do that. The point is the owner can do what they want with their product and Mojang choose to restrict money making by forbidding pay to win servers and we have to comply with it.

Quoting myself again to remind people what is their place in Minecraft.

Quote from GoldK

I have to shake my head to people who treats minecraft like a business. I host a small server myself for a small group of friends and I don't charge anything for it because I use my own computer as a server. Multiplayer, for me, is just a way to play with my friends. Minecraft started multiplayer with that intention but some people realized the money making potential of it because of building your own world in your own server and now people are too comfortable on their money making scheme to adjust accordingly. If you want to earn real money, get a real job instead of making money out of someone else's game. Minecraft was not created for people to make a job out of it.

Quote from UncleChester

Oh my bad. I forgot to address the typical internet assumption that I am a bum with no job. I have one of those.....40 hours a week, 2nd assistant manager at a restaurant. I just don't think you realize how much the EULA is going to affect the ability to keep servers up, not just making a profit. I have a connection with a server host and only pay 120 a month for a 32GB E3 server that one single server eats almost half of. It's pretty naive to think that players are just going to donate out of appreciation. That trait died in people a while ago.

So why are you whining since you do have a job? Scale down the servers like I have suggested since there is no award for having 1000 players online compare to the one with only 10. A simple solution to a simple problem instead of whining endlessly.

I have to shake my head to people who treats minecraft like a business. I host a small server myself for a small group of friends and I don't charge anything for it because I use my own computer as a server. Multiplayer, for me, is just a way to play with my friends. Minecraft started multiplayer with that intention but some people realized the money making potential of it because of building your own world in your own server and now people are too comfortable on their money making scheme to adjust accordingly.

Quote from UncleChester

No it's not raging at all. If you had half a clue about what a server owner goes through, the ignorant kids they have to deal with to maintain a reputable server, and the ridiculous amount of maintenance that goes into maintaining these servers maybe you would then qualify as having a clue. Obviously most of you guys think we all do this and it's so easy and we just get rich just like that. Why don't you come on down bud. You can pay my over $700 U.S.D. in server bills, and then maybe go fix a corrupted chunk or two. Maybe when you are done with that you can chase an issue and figure out what the crash reports are telling you. You guys are horribly inept to what it takes to host servers, especially if you are doing it with any of the mods that are out there for MC.

Then why don't you accept the fact Minecraft was never meant to be used to make money by anyone other than Mojang? Scale down the servers now that your projected income will be less than before and only increase if the paying members are enough. Get a real job if you want steady income instead of relying it on a game you technically do not own.

People opposed to the EULA are just raging how their easy money making scheme took a huge hit with Mojang enforcing equality on everyone in servers. Server owners just have to deal with the fact they won't be making as much as money as before and should adjust accordingly. I won't be surprise seeing servers secretly doing illegal power selling after the EULA is implemented just like drug dealers will secretly sell illegal drugs to addicts despite being forbidden by the government.

I think people should be reminded that Minecraft was made to be played and enjoyed and was never intended as a tool of profit for anyone other than Mojang. Mojang are generous enough to even allow people to profit off their game and they have full control on how people make money off of it because it is their game.

Quote from Bigdog1787

How many are going to donate for nothing that's the thing server owners have even put up voting to see how many would be willing to donate to the server for nothing he got 1/4 of the people that pay for stuff willing to keep paying that's not going to be able to upkeep his server he still needs the full 100% in order to keep the server.

Why would you pay for nothing when other servers provide you with something for money? This is different because there will be no servers allowed to sell power. You either donate to keep your favorite server alive or quit multiplayer MC altogether. If Mojang expands customization options like custom block skins, I'm sure people would be willing to spend money on servers. They could even make it so only paying customers can see their custom skins while the rest have the default skin. This have 0 gameplay effects but I'm sure people will spend some cash just to show everyone their cool skin.

Quote from BestMinerGavin

Still, my server was innovative and now everyone would pay to play on Mineplex or something if they wanted.

I really don't think the intention is much good any more. They're letting certain server avoid the EULA change, never talked to even the mature community about it or anything. Dinnerbone himself buys donation ranks on servers, as you can see in past tweets.

Innovation is nothing when there is power to buy somewhere else. When there is no power to buy, only the most interesting servers will survive.

We should be telling them to do something about it so that everyone plays a fair game. I think it is only recently that they wanted to enforce it so Dinnerbone buying donation ranks would only count against them if he does it after their announcement. The overall effect of the enforcement would be fewer servers but more quality because you can't anymore rely on selling power to make up for your low quality server content. I am willing to bet that servers that actually has good content will still make money with their patrons donating money to them to keep the server up.

Quote from BestMinerGavin

Actually, I've run very innovative servers and giving off decent stuff and I still don't get many donations, and only once did someone do it not for rewards, since he was an admin.

That was before the enforcement of EULA when there are more servers giving out power for donations. Maybe you should try it out again now that you can't buy power in minecraft.

I think server owners should suggest to Mojang more on how to monetize minecraft w/o selling power instead of whining. Mojang's intention is good but it clashes on the easy money gain with the current system of selling power the the players. This is no different from being forbidden to sell addicting illegal drugs that makes millions of dollars to a more healthy alternative that makes less money.

Quote from MistaHardkill

This effectively cripples any new servers ability to get started. It'd be like a quadriplegic trying to run a race.

If I don't see servers like The Walls and Woodycraft shut down, like immediately, I'll be calling shenanigans.

New servers have to be innovative on what their server offers and not just copy paste the bigger servers. I also suggested a couple of pages back about Mojang expanding the amount of customization that can be done with the game. Different tinted blocks or custom looking chests that only applies if the player placing it is a paying player. Restricting horse colors could also work since colors do not affect on how effective a horse is and dog breeds as well.

Server owners just have to think of a different way to monetize their server now. If a server is really that good in quality then patrons will support it by donating. The only difference is people who are less attached to the server won't pay anymore because of no game benefits.