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Quote from Xrazr28shootrX

No hunger bar(I know this was Beta 1.7 and before) and better terrain generation.

ABSOLUTELY! +1

I miss my sand and gravel beaches, I miss not having to have a ****-ton of food when I travel, I miss my easy-to-build hills, and I sure-as-hell miss those rainless days!

ALSO: The current "beaches" look comlpetely awful.


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Quote from Cubia

One thought occurs to me though: Why not just add a "retro" biome to the game? Surely this wouldnt be too hard to mod into the game or something. I think it'd be pretty cool, too, without taking away from the feel of the game.

****ING BRILLIANT. ABSOLUTELY ****ING BRILLIANT.

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Wait a moment, that is USELESS!

Mainly becasue it will only work in creative mode, if you try to use it in survival it will not work. This glitch is low priority and won't be patched anytime soon though.

Quote from asferot

SINCE WHEN THE FLYING F*** DID MINECRAFT CHANGE?

WHAT THE HELL YOU ALL WHINE KIDDIES ARE PLAYING?

JUST PLAYED MINECRAFT AND I STILL HAD TO MINE MY COBBLE AND BUILD THAT PLATFORM WHILE PUNCHING CREEPERS IN THE FACE!


WHAT ARE YOU ALL PLAYING?

Were playing the same game. The core mecanics are nothing but **** and grind. It's how the game looks, sounds, and feels that make the game appealing. MineCraft is beginning to lose it's appeal.

The only thing I hate are the sounds, overall the new changes just make me not want to play MineCraft all that much. It's gotten less and less fun!

Yes, we need the original beach look. At the very least there should be a significant decrease in anything other in sand in beaches + more sand around the edges.

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Quote from terok00001

TNT is strong enough, gunpowder just needs to be more abundant.

Quote from Pandy_C

You get a much bigger blast around other materials (like dirt, sand, wood etc).

What are you trying to use it for?

/thread

I just want to get other players' opinions, as this new sound is VERY annoying to me. I don't want to hear his bones break every single time he takes damage.

Remember when you first started MineCraft? Well now you have a chance to play the game again similar to that. Seriously.

So, with Release 1.0 there is going to be a lot of currently undisclosed features. Notch has mentioned them on occasion and they could be revealed at any time. Those features could easily be any of the changes/fixes that the game has needed for a long time or new, unknown, features. There will also probably be changes to some of the features in the prereleases and more than likely more prereleases.

I strongly recommend going dark, no wiki, no forums, no Notch's twitter feed, and no Word of Notch. I will be doing it my self so I can enjoy MineCraft again, as it has gotten rather boring lately now that I know everything about the game and have built everything I want to.

So, who's with me? Who wants to go dark as well in order to experience a great game again?

I made this already, if I knew it would get THIS MANY reputation points I would have posted it.

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Quote from DaBiggman

I could bury you in a wall of text with direct quotes and links to promises, but I was trying to avoid it.

HOWEVER, since many of you young and new members want to ***** about things that are old, PROVEN facts, here you go:

-snip-

Some of these things have been added, A LOT haven't.

This is a great example on why the game should not be released yet. The reviews should come after the game is in it's finished state.

Updated OP: 9/3/12 (Modified OP explanations, thanks to getpoopedonkid // Fixed Poll)
Updated OP: 3/8/12 (Fixed Poll)

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NOTICE (As of Snapshot 12w01a):



This is an screenshot of the beach gen that was re-added in Snapshot 12w01a. Please note that this is not representative of the new beaches in general, but instead an example of what the new generation can create!

Jeb appears to have simply changed the blocks which form the transition between land and the ocean biome from dirt to sand. This forms ugly clumps of sand hardly resembling beaches on hilly terrain. This DOES NOT resemble actual beaches or beaches as they once were in Beta 1.7.3! Or reality for that matter.

What should be done to correct this:

• Simply limit the max height of sand that can generate to two to three blocks above sea level, which would be identical to beach generation prior to Beta 1.8. With beaches essentially being their own biome, such a change should feasibly be easy since it shouldn't conflict with other biomes. If you believe otherwise, please state so and why!

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OP:

With the inclusion of the new terrain generation in recent releases, I've read about many major topics and comments having to do with terrible biome transitions involving the swamp biome and the such. However I have not seen any real topics concerning the exclusion of beaches and the issues concerning underwater bedding. So here is the point of this topic:

Summary:

1.) Beaches was a widely-liked feature of the previous terrain generator and it needs to be restored.

This should be simple enough. Just add back beaches into the terrain generator. Also gravel beaches should be returned as well. More on that later in the topic.

2.) Although a less important issue, underwater bedding, lacks the uniformity and overall realism that it used to have. Currently, lakes and oceans are covered in splotchy patches of dirt, sand, and clay.

The main argument against the current underwater bedding generation is that allows for easy access to large amounts of clay, and that clay was supposedly more rare in the previous generator. However, it was abundant, since the x=z clay generator bug that previously plagued the game was patched in 1.7.

However, to further address this issue, clay density and frequency can be increased to satisfy those who believe that more clay truly is necessary.[/indent]

The poor state of these aspects of the terrain generator has proven to be both an annoyance and an eyesore to me and the community as well. Beach gen prior to 1.8 paralleled realistic beaches and was more aesthetically pleasing in general. To further elaborate what I mean:

Beaches, prior 1.8

"Beaches" (along lakeside), 1.8 and later

Beaches, real life

As you can see, beaches do not actually generate in 1.8 and later, the "beaches" you see are actually not beaches at all; they are simply the outcroppings of the underwater sand bedding crossing onto the shore. This brings me to the next point: underwater bedding.

Underwater bedding (same pic as before, view the underwater portion), prior 1.8

Underwater bedding, 1.8 and later

Underwater bedding, comparison with 1.8 vs. 1.7, and real life (Borrowed from Dragonid's Terrain Generation Changes Remaining)

As you can see, in 1.8 and later, underwater bedding consists of ugly patches of circular splotches, whether it be in a lake or an ocean. Previously, it was both aesthetically appealing and realistic. Clay would still be fairly abundant if the patch from 1.7 were also incorporated into clay generation. If that is not enough, we can simply have clay generated in the same manner as depicted in the picture below in higher frequencies or larger quantities:

Lastly, gravel beaches should be added back. It was a realistic feature of the old terrain generator and also broke up the monotony with the constant sand beaches. It is not a necessary feature to be re-added, though it would be nice.

Gravel Beaches, 1.7 and before

Gravel Beaches, real life

To reiterate:

1.) Beaches was a widely-liked feature of the previous terrain generator and so, needs to be fixed.

2.) Although a less important issue, underwater bedding, lacks the uniformity and overall realism that it used to have. Currently, lakes and oceans are covered in splotchy patches of dirt, sand, and clay.

With this said and done, I ask that these issues be addressed as soon as it is possible. If you can, please twitter or e-mail Jeb. This is technically not meant to be a petition or anything like the very popular Dear Mojang: The Swamps are Still Ugly topic, just a reminder to show that these issues must be addressed. However, you can show your support by twittering Jeb (+ link to here) or just acknowledging it here.

Tweet Jeb at: https://twitter.com/#!/jeb_

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Get Satisfaction Topic: http://www.getsatisf..._gravel_beaches

Also check out Dragonid's Terrain Generation Changes Remaining topic for an in-depth look at issues concerning current terrain generation!

Try out a mod that adds beach generation back into the game! http://www.minecraft...0-biome-mod-v1/

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Here you go.

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This topic will contain the answers to most problems with minecraft, including mod problems.

[center][EDIT] Will be taking a break for a little time, since I have tons of physics and comp. science tests. I hope to come back and help you soon![/center]

[center] If i do not answer within a few days, the answer to your problem is in my original post.

[center] Part 1 - General info [/center]

Problem: Where is the force update button?
Solution: here:

Problem: I dont have this launcher. how can i get it?
Solution: click the first download link here: Minecraft.net download page


[center]Part 2 - Connection problems[/center]

Problem: Can't connect to minecrcraft.net
Solution: The servers are either currently down, overloaded, or your internet connection was off whn trying to connect. try again a couple of times and if it doesnt work just wait.

Problem: User not premium.
Solution: you either did not buy the game (duh), but if you bought the game and this is still happening, this is probably a bug, which i do not know as much as other problems. but my advice is to restart minecraft, and try again a few times. also, check if minecraft.net knows you bought the game by going to this link: Minecraft has paid check and in the site URL insert at the username= your username.

Problem: When connecting to a server, i get this error: "server outdated!"
Solution: The server you are trying to connect to is running a different version then your client, and basicly you can not connect to it until it updates or you downgrade.


[center] part 3 - Game errors/crashes [/center]

Problem: When i launch minecraft i get a black screen!
Solution: If you installed a mod, you probably missed one needed mod (mod loader, audio mod etc..) and now it does not work. To fix this, open the minecraft launcher, press options, and click on force upadte. then start the game, and minecraft will download a fresh copy. next install the mods correctly.

Problem: You installed the mods correctly, but you still get a crash/blackscreen.
Solution: Did you delete the META-INF folder inside minecraft.jar when installing? if not, again, force update, install the mods, and delete META-INF found inside the minecraft.jar file.

Problem: I installed X mods, deleted meta-inf, installed the must have mods, but i still get blackscreens! HELP!
Solution 1: There are mods that must be installed before others, i.e modloader+audio mod+GUI API. you MUST first install mod loader, after that audio mod, and only then GUI API, or else it wont work.
Solution 2: Some mods are not compatible with other mods. this in-compatibility may come from using the same item ID's, modding the same .class file, etc... if the X mods you installed do not work with each other, and you followed the instuctions, they are probably in-compatible. sorry, no solution here. you should point out the mod that does not work with the other one to its creator, so he can try and fix it.

Problem: I play minecraft, and when i open a chest, the game crashes!
Possible solution: If you had mods that add items to the game, this probably is the cause. you have an item in the chest, that does not exist in the game, you can not open the chest until you re-install the mod.
Easy solution: If the chest is not near wood, what I usually do, is put lava over the chest, and destroy the chest. the game will crash, but when you get back into the game, the chest and the item will be gone. WARNING! back up your world before doing this, since there is a very small chance the item will not burn. in that case, download MCedit and edit the chest+item out of the game.

Problem: I get massive lag. what can i do?
Solution 1: The simplest solution is to set your video settings to:

Graphics: Fast
Smooth lighting: OFF
3danaglyph: OFF
GUI Scale: auto
Render distance: start with normal. move down if lag continues.
Performence: MAX FPS / BALANCED
View bobbing: does not matter
Advanced openGL: OFF!!!

Solution 2: If the above does not work, close other programs running in the background.
Solution 3: If the above does not work, download optimine+optifog.
Solution 4: If the above does not work, Upgrade your PC/MAC. it can not handle the game.
Solution 5 (Best solution): Open notepad, type:

java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar

or for more RAM:

java -Xmx2048M -Xms2048M -jar minecraft_server.jar

Problem: I cant open my world! WHAT THE?
Solution: The world is probably corrupt. some reasons for this are:

1. Modded blocks
2. A power surge.
3. Minecraft crashing while playing a world
4. Java crashing
5. and others.

There is a corrupt world recovery thread here:world recovery thread.

Problem: I did everything you said, but i still get lots of lag!
Solution: If you have a mod that adds mobs to the game, generates the land differently, or changes game mechanics, it is probably the reason. the more laggy mod combinations are:

• Mo' creatures + More creeps and weirdos
• Industrial craft + Mo' something mods
• Nuke tnt mod + any physics mods
• etc...

The solution here is to get rid of some mods, which will usually help.
[IMPORTANT] Do not delete the .class files the mod adds or anything like that. force update, and re-install the mods without the laggy mod.

Minecraft Windows XP folder locations:


Problem: When launching the game i get an error! what can i do?
Solution: Force update. If does not work, upadte java @ java website


[center] Part 4 - Server problems! [/center]

Problem: No one can connect to my server!
Solution: You need to port forward your router. You can find a tut on how to do this here:Portforward.com.
You need to port forward the following port: 25565 TCP/UDP.

Problem: I connect to my own server, and its laggy.
Solution 1: Instead of typing your own IP adress, type: 'localhost' (without the ' ').
Solution 2:Your PC may not be strong enough to support a server, client etc...

Problem: How can people connect to my server?
Solution: You must give them your external IP adress found here: IP Chicken. WARNING! do not give away your IP adress to everyone! This is a very important piece of info, and hackers may hack you! carefull!

Problem: I dont want to use port 25565! what can i do?
Solution: In the server.properties file, change server-port:25565 to anything you want. but make sure that when people connect to you, they type this: [Your IP]:[PORT] or else they wont connect.


[center] Part 5 - Seeds [/center]

Problem: I want to find out the numeric seed of my world! how can i do that?
Solution: Go to: seed scope and upload your saves level.dat which is located here:


Problem: I entered a seed someone used, but it doesnt work!
Solution: Seeds are case-sensitive (Seed ≠ seed). be sure you entered exactly the same seed.

Problem: I entered a seed someone used exactly like he typed, and i am not where he was!
Solution: While seeds generate the same land, Spawns are random, so you may spawn far from the other players spawn.

Feel free to correct me, add new problems, ask for help, and basicly do anything you want.

Also, to mods reading, Can you sticky this? I think this is important! and secondly, how can i request sticky? lol.

Minecraft Isometric Head Avatars

I'm making Minecraft Isometric Head Avatars for you guys to use on the forums.
They look like these:


I can either make one from your skin that your Minecraft Profile is using or you can post another skin and I can make one from that.

Dont forget to press (+) and check out MinecraftSkins.net.ms

Here what I did today. Takes way less digging and planning. Clean 9x9x3 around spawner( can add an extra height of 2 if desired). Dig into opposite edges another 4 blocks to put water so that it stops at the center. Dig 1 block deep channel in the middle and add water (added a back wall since water travels 7 spaces + original) At the end of the center channel, add a drop of 23 blocks or so.







Hope images make sense. Took me about an hour to make.

Quote from Xrazr28shootrX

Personally, I hate the swamp borders(1.0.0)and the bare mountains. I also liked less caves because that made it more challenging. Now you just have to wander around in a cave and you will eventually find diamond.

Actually, you could do that back then as well. This has not changed.

I am WAY too impatient for strip-mining most of the time, so I've *always* gotten my diamonds out of caves. I generally have plenty. This fact hasnt changed since I started playing the game all that time ago.

Frankly, the caves and such are BETTER now. The addition of the abandoned mines was a very welcome thing, I thought. It isnt JUST the same old grey tunnels everywhere like it used to be. Same with ravines; a very different type of underground terrain. When these three get put together randomly by the generator... it can get very interesting.

Basically, we play older versions for the same reason people still play ASCII dungeon crawlers. Complexity is cool, but simplicity is quick and fun.

Actually, that's usually NOT the reason why those games are in ASCII. Go and actually play one of the "major" Roguelikes. The variants of Hack, Crawl, and similar ones. These games are about as far from "simple" as you can get. Or something like Dwarf Fortress, which is also rendered in ASCII, and is the absolute peak of complexity. The reason these games are rendered in ASCII is twofold. 1: They're MUCH easier to make this way. Much, much, much easier. Alot of programmers... such as myself... are NOT artists. And trying to come up with art assets for a game is a monstrous pain in the ass. ASCII keeps it less aggravating. But more important is number 2: ASCII graphics in these games allows for a MASSIVE amount of information on the screen all at the same time. Dwarf Fortress is the ultimate example of this. There's an absolutely stupid amount of "things" on screen all at once, and yet you never lose track of WHAT they are. You can often see a massive section of your fort all onscreen at once. Wheras, you go and try to render that graphically... and you'd be lucky to fit a couple of rooms onscreen at once. Even the "graphical view" programs for DF simply cannot show anywhere near the amount of info all at once that the game itself can. This concept carries over into any Roguelike or ASCII game.

In all honesty, for those that prefer simplicity, the "ASCII dungeon crawlers" are probably NOT the answer. Except for some of the REALLY small ones.

Besides, the "simplicity" of Minecraft.... hasnt gone away. It just perplexes me that people think it has. Go back to an earlier version, and you are LITERALLY doing one thing, and ONLY one thing: Removing features. ....that's it. JUST removing things. It doesnt add back in anything that was taken out, because.... nothing's ever BEEN taken out. However you used to approach the game back in Alpha? ...just approach it that way now! It's really not rocket science. Potions got added, for example... that dont mean you HAVE to use them. The game never forces stuff like that on you. The terrain generation is the ONLY thing that really "changed" instead of being added to, and really, it's better now than it was back then. Back then, EVERY area, and I mean *EVERY* area, looked the same. A jumbled, bright green mess of screwball hills and oddly placed trees. It could be kinda cool, until you realized... absolutely everywhere you go looks just like that. It got old, fast.



Aaaaaanyway, I agree with the OP. I dont see why some people want to revert. I mean, to each their own, but still. It's worth keeping in mind though, that they do not represent the players as a whole... I've found that ALOT of people prefer the game as it is now than as it was back then. The difference is that the ones that complain about it are FAR more vocal. The ones that are pleased with it... Well, it seems alot of them just avoid the forums. That's no surprise though, this is how things are on many gaming forums. The players that dont like something or other or are angry about something or have some complaint are WAY more vocal than those that are fine with it all. Worth keeping in mind.


One thought occurs to me though: Why not just add a "retro" biome to the game? You could then have EVERY type of generation all at once. Surely this wouldnt be too hard to mod into the game or something. I think it'd be pretty cool, too, without taking away from the feel of the game.

No hunger bar(I know this was Beta 1.7 and before) and better terrain generation.

Do you remember when we had beaches?
Do you remember when there was a quirky world we could explore with inviting forests?
Do you remember when you built your little cobblestone shack, with no crevasses or caves nearby?
...Do you remember MINECRAFT?


I miss the old forests, the pine trees in forests completely ruin the aesthetics for me, it doesn't feel right at all. I haven't seen a beach in so long...

There are also too many caves and ravines now, I just want a normal, basic landscape!

Who's with me?