I'm proud of Notch for attempting to take a stand against the Yog guys. Hes knows to be respectful and mature in public. If you want to swear then do it with your friends or others in a private place.
I guess twitter and youtube somehow count as "private" now? Because Notch has been far more vulgar than Simon or Lewis on them.
What I'm saying is that being a Youtube celebrity is not like being an actual celebrity. You have a limited audience, your content tends not to be of the best quality, and usually Youtube is used simply to get one off the ground towards getting some sort of other job (like making ads and such). Take Tobuscus, for example; he makes multiple videos a day, and because of his popularity he is being used in advertisements. Has there ever been a scandal with him that we know of, of him being a douche and requesting payment for something? No. He takes what he can get because he gets plenty from Youtube.
Ok, so you agree a "real" celebrity should be paid? Do you agree that a professional should get paid for work in their field?
As for Tobuscus, honestly I am not familiar with him, so I can't comment. I CAN comment on another Youtube video maker who is quite popular. Totalbiscuit, and he DOES get paid to do conventions and events. Has there ever been a fuss about that? No. Why? Because these events are run by professionals who know that other professionals should be paid, and don't rail about how outrageous it is if someone expects to be paid for their time as a professional.
Now we have the Yogscast. They make plenty off of their videos, stemming from two separate channels, in addition to any advertising money they get from their website. Will they miss out on any of that money because they are away at Minecon? No! In fact, they were still uploading videos while at Minecon, and still getting money from their website. You see my point NOW? The Yogscast requesting to be paid to go to Minecon is selfish because they were still making the same amount of money as normal going there; they weren't losing profits or anything like some REAL celebrities might for doing an ad or going to a special event. Asking for money is just an example of over-inflated ego.
Hopefully that clears up what I was trying to say.
They didn't request to get paid to GO to Minecon. They requested to get paid because they were asked to PROVIDE CONTENT for Minecon. Again, how is being asked to be paid for work unreasonable?
Ok well I have never seen it stated anywhere they asked to be paid before Minecon. Nobody else was getting paid to do this so why should they. As someone stated before me just because they are paid for making videos doesn't mean they get paid for coming to Minecon. As far as I can tell, they were all volunteering their time to come there and talk to the community that made them famous.
Notch's statement implies they asked before they came, ergo, before Minecon. If it ends up they asked after they arrived, then that is indeed extremely bad form, but that's not my understand from reading what people have said.
I say you're wrong, actually. Yeah, they get paid for their videos, but that's for their VIDEOS. Not for just being there; the difference is that ANYONE can make videos and get popular and be paid for it; there are plenty of people (myself included) who make a small bit of money off of our videos. True, we don't make a living off of it, but the Yogscast shouldn't expect to get paid just because they're popular. It's more of a privelage to be there.
Robin Williams is a bad choice for a celebrity; he does more stuff for free than you'd think; he's done a bunch of Legend of Zelda ads recently, and he actually did those for free.
Yes, Notch handled this poorly, but there's a good probability that there's some truth in the matter. We won't know until the Yogscast decide to come out and defend themselves.
That's right, you DON'T make a living off it. Whose the one with the go problem here? The people that realize that they make enough to get a living off something and evaluate that given they have the largest fanbase for such videos BY FAR. Or the person who says he's "just like them only makes a bit less money" (paraphrasing).
You are acting like just because you make some jokes with friends, you are just like a professional comedian. How DARE any of those people get paid to go to an event, right?
Right and people like "Seananners" is a nobody, fyi yogscast wasn't the only "famous" people there. Why should the yogscast get higher priority over the PAYING fans of minecraft?
I am not familiar with Seananners. I know he used to be a bigger deal and something happened. If that's his full-time job and he was asked to run or be part of some panels or other presentations, then yeah, he should get paid too. Same with anyone else in that position.
Ok, I just don't understand why they thought they were going to get paid. If Mojang never said they were going to be paid then they weren't getting paid lol. If they didn't like that they could have declined the invite to attend. its the fact that they had to act like little pricks about not getting paid that makes me mad.
They didn't think they were going to get paid.
Ugh, why are there so many people who fail at reading comprehension here?
All that's been said is that they asked to be paid well before Minecon happened, and they made some jokes about not getting paid. Professionals asking to get paid for something they do to make a living is perfectly reasonable.
Nobody else got paid when they were invited at minecon, why should the yogscast be any different?
"In addition, the entire team acted like a group of self-entitled pricks the entire weekend. I worked as one of the volunteer staff that weekend and they demanded to be let in to the Scrolls/Cobalt play test area before the rest of the crowd was. We allowed them to enter for 5 minutes, as we were trying to keep to a schedule, but they created a big stink when they were asked to leave so the people who paid good money to come to MineCon could play the games too. They acted like they were the Kings of Minecraft simply because they are minor celebrities in the Youtube world."
Again, because the Yogscast are professionals who make their living doing that.
Let's say you had a comedy convention and you invited Robin Williams, but everyone else was just so nobody who does stuff in their spare time. Should Robin Williams not get paid? Of course not.
The fact is that Yogscast is categorically different than pretty much everyone else out there. It's THEIR JOB. That's why they are different than the people that just have youtube videos and the like as hobbies.
Again, wanting to make some demo videos for Cobalt and Scrolls is sensible for them to want to do as well. It's also good publicity for Mojang -- something Mojang doesn't seem to understand well, I have to say. Making a big deal out of it is insane when they are doing something of great benefit to Mojang. If anything, that whole messup speaks to just how poor Mojang is at handling PR, because they should have set up separate time for the Yogscast here.
"In Short: The Yogscast team didn't appreciate the gesture that was given to them to be invited as a special panel to MineCon and they treated it with almost indifference. They acted like it was Mojang that should be appreciative of them gracing MineCon with their presence.
Notch may have blamed the fallout between Mojang and Yogscast on an "f-bomb" in front of kids, but I think it was more than just that. I think that Yogscast wasn't what they were hoping they would be. Mojang should probably have reviewed what Yogscast was going to be like more than they did, but MineCon had many issues like that. It wasn't perfect, and it was a bit sloppy, but I don't think Mojang should suffer all the blame for issues with Yogscast.
Just my two cents."
Seems to me they acting like they should get paid for doing something that they make their living doing. Perfectly reasonable for them to crack some jokes about not getting paid at all. It also seems like Mojang doesn't have the faintest inkling of how helpful publicity is, which probably annoyed them.
This!! I have this crazy feeling minecraft chick didn't feel yogscast staff gave her enough attention/credit etc.. but her directly, and she started this whole thing in motion by exaggerating events to notch who in turn believed her and just started tweeting about it.
Right now I'm thinking Notch and Yogscast are innocent, and all of this is minecraftchick's fault. I think alot of people already know she's a self centered *****.
What's this about Minecraft Chick? Who is she even? I'm not familiar with her or her side in things.
It was probably a JOKE made after the falling out between the Notch and the Yogscast. It isn't a great joke, but it's understandable. That or a continuation of them ribbing each other. Notch did joke about sleeping with Simon's mother (even though it rather clearly made the Yogscast a bit uncomfortable).
people are still taking the yogscast's side because there is a massive one sided-ness in the direction the information we've been given is coming from. Without hearing both sides of the story it's impossible to make an adequate decision about what is really going on here. I've tried to stay as neutral as possible in this thing (hey like Sweden) and from where I'm standing we can't say **** (sorry Notch JKJK) about what's going on yet. If people wanna make rash decisions let them, but for anyone who conciders themselves a rational human being needs to take a step back and wait until more is known before they start flamming twitter, facebook and wherever the hell else this stupid drawn out affair is going on!
This debate is getting more and more pointless! We are not going to change anyones mind here! They are either on one side, the other, or are being smart and deciding what to think when they know they can decided in the most objective way possible!!!
Quite. If anything it is disheartening (though sadly not surprising) that people see a big blowup, get ONE side of the story and then decide that side must be correct. Because famous/rich people never lie, exaggerate, or do anything like that, right?
Damn, I love your posts! Fricking hilarious! And yes I completely agree, there is a big chance this is them trolling.
This has created waaaay to big of a stink to be trolling, imho. It's not like joking about ducks or the like in Minecraft. Minor, silly jokes. This is a major rift between people, so I don't see how this is like the minor jokes that have been past trolls. That seems like wishful thinking to me, and it is like thinking Minecraft's prose after you beat the dragon was a troll, which some thought.
do the yogscast have any other members except simon lewis and hannah who went?
Im under the impression that theres more members who may have caused this stir, but since xephos and honeydew are known widely on the yogscast theyre getting the stick.
That's possible. If so it should have been brought to their attention and handled privately. It doesn't help that Notch went off and blamed ALL of the Yogscast for a lot of things.
That said, it is pretty easy to see how reasonable behavior and a couple bad jokes could be misinterpreted into the posts Notch made. Given anger and drink, overreacting is also to be expected.
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I guess twitter and youtube somehow count as "private" now? Because Notch has been far more vulgar than Simon or Lewis on them.
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Ok, so you agree a "real" celebrity should be paid? Do you agree that a professional should get paid for work in their field?
As for Tobuscus, honestly I am not familiar with him, so I can't comment. I CAN comment on another Youtube video maker who is quite popular. Totalbiscuit, and he DOES get paid to do conventions and events. Has there ever been a fuss about that? No. Why? Because these events are run by professionals who know that other professionals should be paid, and don't rail about how outrageous it is if someone expects to be paid for their time as a professional.
They didn't request to get paid to GO to Minecon. They requested to get paid because they were asked to PROVIDE CONTENT for Minecon. Again, how is being asked to be paid for work unreasonable?
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Notch's statement implies they asked before they came, ergo, before Minecon. If it ends up they asked after they arrived, then that is indeed extremely bad form, but that's not my understand from reading what people have said.
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That's right, you DON'T make a living off it. Whose the one with the go problem here? The people that realize that they make enough to get a living off something and evaluate that given they have the largest fanbase for such videos BY FAR. Or the person who says he's "just like them only makes a bit less money" (paraphrasing).
You are acting like just because you make some jokes with friends, you are just like a professional comedian. How DARE any of those people get paid to go to an event, right?
Wow. Just wow.
I am not familiar with Seananners. I know he used to be a bigger deal and something happened. If that's his full-time job and he was asked to run or be part of some panels or other presentations, then yeah, he should get paid too. Same with anyone else in that position.
That's how conventions WORK.
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They didn't think they were going to get paid.
Ugh, why are there so many people who fail at reading comprehension here?
All that's been said is that they asked to be paid well before Minecon happened, and they made some jokes about not getting paid. Professionals asking to get paid for something they do to make a living is perfectly reasonable.
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Honestly I thought he was pretty funny and spot on. His comments are true about the fans for almost anything, which I am sure he'd readily admit.
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Again, because the Yogscast are professionals who make their living doing that.
Let's say you had a comedy convention and you invited Robin Williams, but everyone else was just so nobody who does stuff in their spare time. Should Robin Williams not get paid? Of course not.
The fact is that Yogscast is categorically different than pretty much everyone else out there. It's THEIR JOB. That's why they are different than the people that just have youtube videos and the like as hobbies.
Again, wanting to make some demo videos for Cobalt and Scrolls is sensible for them to want to do as well. It's also good publicity for Mojang -- something Mojang doesn't seem to understand well, I have to say. Making a big deal out of it is insane when they are doing something of great benefit to Mojang. If anything, that whole messup speaks to just how poor Mojang is at handling PR, because they should have set up separate time for the Yogscast here.
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Ahh, is it just some running joke on this thread then? I wasn't sure.
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Seems to me they acting like they should get paid for doing something that they make their living doing. Perfectly reasonable for them to crack some jokes about not getting paid at all. It also seems like Mojang doesn't have the faintest inkling of how helpful publicity is, which probably annoyed them.
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What's this about Minecraft Chick? Who is she even? I'm not familiar with her or her side in things.
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It was probably a JOKE made after the falling out between the Notch and the Yogscast. It isn't a great joke, but it's understandable. That or a continuation of them ribbing each other. Notch did joke about sleeping with Simon's mother (even though it rather clearly made the Yogscast a bit uncomfortable).
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Oh come on, no one said they did that. Why don't you read Notch's tweets again?
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Quite. If anything it is disheartening (though sadly not surprising) that people see a big blowup, get ONE side of the story and then decide that side must be correct. Because famous/rich people never lie, exaggerate, or do anything like that, right?
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This has created waaaay to big of a stink to be trolling, imho. It's not like joking about ducks or the like in Minecraft. Minor, silly jokes. This is a major rift between people, so I don't see how this is like the minor jokes that have been past trolls. That seems like wishful thinking to me, and it is like thinking Minecraft's prose after you beat the dragon was a troll, which some thought.
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That's possible. If so it should have been brought to their attention and handled privately. It doesn't help that Notch went off and blamed ALL of the Yogscast for a lot of things.
That said, it is pretty easy to see how reasonable behavior and a couple bad jokes could be misinterpreted into the posts Notch made. Given anger and drink, overreacting is also to be expected.