There are a huge number of promises Notch made about what the release would have that haven't panned out. Maybe the game will have them eventually...maybe not. It would help a ton if he'd bother to hire more than ONE GUY to work full time on Minecraft. Instead he hired a bunch of people to work on other games.
If he had hired 4 or 5 guys to work on the game, then we'd probably have all of those features he had promised. And make no mistake, he easily could have afforded that.
The review has some good points. The game really doesn't justify being a full release. It's unchallenging, the AI sucks, etc, etc. It IS intended to have an adventure component, but that part isn't any good. The final boss is a snorefest, since it does no damage and just takes a long time to kill. Overall, the vast majority of the gameplay doesn't have much depth.
He clearly understates how cool it is to be able to make things with blocks. That's the main draw of the game.
I have to agree with the review that anyone giving Minecraft a 10/10 or even a 9/10 is clearly being overly generous. The game does have some significant flaws and a severe lack of content. That's to be expected when it has only ever had one full-time programmer at a time (once Jeb was hired Notch stopped being a full-time programmer on Minecraft). The game just hasn't gotten the attention it deserves from Mojang in terms of resources to develop it. They really should have hired several people to work on it...certainly they could have afforded that.
Anyone who disagrees with me should merely note how we have a bunch of mods that add more content to the game than Mojang has added in the last year. That's just how bad the official development has been. It is an embarrassment that they are now charging 28 bucks for a game that's so clearly needs a lot more work. Again, it just isn't ready to be considered a full release.
I have no video evidence, nor have there been found Yogscast DNA on the kid in question. I therefor yield to the impeccable Yogscast. Congratulations.
If i may add, in scandinavia it's common with word-compounding, combining words to make new words. For example an engine made for a car would be named a carengine. In addition to this the word naut is common among all the scandinavian languages as it have its roots in old norse. It means bull or fool depending on use. Meaning in scandinavia the name Yognaut literaly means Yogbull or Yogfool. I must say i find the coice of name rather fitting right about now, and im sure im not the only one.
In Scandinavia I believe it is common for them to not assume the accused is guilty. Certainly their scientists believe the burden of proof is on someone making a claim.
He said it MAY have been a misunderstanding then later STATED that he did not lie. I know which statement sounds more sure
Right, in other words he doesn't believe it is a misunderstanding at all. He is not telling the truth there. He's just trying to make it LOOK like he's apologizing without doing so.
This is like your kid getting up in the middle of school and yelling about how classmate Bob is a jerk, stole their stuff, spit in people's food, etc, etc. When everyone else is surprised and Bob's friends and teachers say he's a well-behaved student, your kid decides to apologize. He then says "I guess I misunderstood things, but Bob did all that stuff".
That's NOT an apology. We shouldn't act like it is.
If you want to continue to believe Notch told the truth, despite having zero evidence in his favor, then that's your call. But I am not going to pretend he apologized. At BEST he apologized for saying anything, then immediately went and said that everything he said was true, which completely undermines the tiny apology he did make.
I would never expect my child to apologise for telling the truth (Something notch still believes he has done) Yes he shouldnt have said it in public and for this he has apologised. But why should he apologise for telling the truth? I am aware there is no proof, but you don't seem to realise that the only reason he would need proof is to convince the lot of you, something which he doesn't need to do.
Ahh, but your child has already said he misunderstood what happened. At that point he's basically said he wasn't saying the truth. Notch is trying to have it both ways. "I was wrong and misunderstood" and "but what I said was totally true." Those two statements are NOT consistent with each other.
He said he wasn't lieing, not that "no, the yogscast still did it."
He clearly stated that it was out of stress/fatigue and misunderstandings and that he wants to settle things with them personally.
Ok, full CONTEXT:
Notch: It's likely the entire Yogscast scenario is just stress related misunderstanding. I apologize for bringing it online before talking to them.
Clockworkfaerie: @notch ...Stress misunderstanding? Dude, you outright ****ing *lied* about what they said. Don't you dare pull that BS.
Notch: @clockworkfaerie I did not lie.
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Notch: Hey, @yogscast! I'm sorry about being a ****.
_AdmanX: @notch woah woah woah! they swore at kids!
Notch: @_AdmanX sure, but what I did wasn't nice.
Yes, and said he should have settled it in private. He has also said that everything he said was true...and there is still zero evidence for it.
It's a crap "apology." He's only apologizing for people seeing what he said, while maintaining that all he said was true (again, without evidence).
Seriously, if you have kids, would you accept this kind of apology for something they did? If you don't, when you were a kid would your parents have accepted it?
All this just makes Notch look worse, especially after selling the rights to the Yogscast's show behind their backs and only informing them a couple weeks before Minecon.
I fully agree, what i don't see is how people can claim that Yogscast must have handeled Minecon perfectly without doing anything wrong at any point whatsoever. Even when they did apologize for dropping f-bombs on the show.
Everyone makes mistakes, mojang sure made many related to minecon, the minecon organizers seems to have done their fair share too. So why can't people admit that also the Yogscast can make mistakes? Honestly i couldn't care less if the yogscast did swear in front of a kid or not as they defenetly wouldn't do it on purpose. But swearing is natural to them (after all they ARE British :tongue.gif: ) so why are people so determined on that they can't possibly have accidentaly sweared in front of a kid while signing something. It's not like it suddenly make them bad people or anything, it just makes them human...
I am just saying there's no evidence they made any mistakes of note. Well, I guess you could count some profanity in the hastily cobbled together video they made (which Mojang approved for what it is worth). That's about it.
That's very different from the fact that there's evidence that Mojang and Notch have handled things horribly.
I just want to avoid a false equivalence between the two sides.
Before I get flamed, let me ask you all something.
Why would Notch go public with this, and risk ruining his reputation, and knowing all their fans he knew he would get flamed if he mentioned it, but then in one of his Twitter posts, he posted he'd stop biting his tongue and go out with it.
You are assuming he's perfectly rational, when he's demonstrated multiple times that he isn't. He tends to go off on things and twitter without thinking things through. He's done it before and he'll most likely do it again.
Your question here is absurd, because there are plenty of people far more famous and with far more to lose who have done far stupider things in public than Notch.
I've taken it exactly as it appears in the headline ...
Except even you acknowledge the context is probably wrong there. Long videos of them talking about the game and community show they love and appreciate everyone in it. That's stuff that is IN CONTEXT.
All we have are a bunch of crappy accusations by Notch that have zero support from anyone. So unless you think that all this stuff somehow happened with no witnesses except Notch (which is largely impossible since some require other witnesses), then there's nothing here but Notch misunderstanding things and being a jerk.
And there's plenty of reason to think this. Notch has overreacted to people before and "been done" with tons of things before for seemingly little reason. Mojang sold the rights to the Yogscast's livestream and convention coverage without permission whilst expecting the Yogscast to pay for all their rooms, flights, etc on their own. Mojang's response? The Yogscast was "difficult to work with" -- they don't deny anything.
Frankly, there really is no reason to think the Yogscast did anything wrong, while there is clearly plenty wrong with how Mojang handled running the convention. Further evidence could show up to change things, but given that it has been several days and nothing has appeared, that seems a bit unlikely.
As for the playtest bit, one of the people there said there were no problems at all and no one was upset, so it doesn't even seem clear there was any fuss. You are just assuming one person was right and another person must be wrong there when they disagree -- note this is different then what I am doing above because we've had a lot of people comment on this, including Mojang and Notch responding to comments that have been made and not denying certain heinous actions on their part or the fact they reviewed and approved video they later complained about.
I just don't see how anyone can look at the evidence and not conclude Mojang handled Minecon horribly.
If Mojang did attempt to sell their intellectual property without permission or agreed payment they are in the wrong and should apologise.
From what I've heard Minecon was organised pretty poorly, granted it was the first time and hopefully it'll be better next time (if there is a next time).
We were also unhappy and surprised that a week before Minecon, Mojang informed us that they had sold the rights to livestream our show and content to IGN – they hadn’t asked us, they hadn’t spoken to us – they just sold it. Because of this, we nearly cancelled the trip, but decided to say “balls to it” and come anyway, because we felt we owed it to the fans. Hannah actually spoke with IGN directly earlier, and they agreed to take their video down and let us put the videos up on our channel, so a big thanks to them for that.
We were not paid, and never demanded to be paid. We asked for some support, and Mojang said they could offer us two hotel rooms for the duration of the stay and a small boardroom to rest in. We spent a huge amount of money on flights, rooms, food and equipment for the 10 people that we brought along to support us, act as security, make videos/posts and generally help out. We also gave away 100 special t-shirts for free.
Yeah...so wow. In exchange from Mojang we get that the Yogscast were "difficult to work with."
Notch has apologised but his fans keep DDoSing the Yogiverse.
It's over, both sides are going to put this behind them now stop it and act like adults...
Except Notch is still claiming what he said was true, and Mojang has now officially said working with the Yogscast was "difficult" after it has been revealed that Mojang sold the rights to the Yogscast's work without permission (IGN of course realized the illegality of that and dropped it).
Exept for yogscast themself saying they requested support, fully legit claim that they should have gotten but one that easily could be missunderstood as a demand for pay if the circumstances allowed for it.
Also the claim that they think they are to thank for minecrafts success have been on newssites before minecon, but is most likely a misquote and taken out of context.
In addition two volunteers AND a yogscast crew member (peva) have confirmed parts of their reported "bad behavior" (demanding access to the playtest area before others).es having different perspective on how things were.
Ok, what I meant was there's nothing that indicates there was any kind of actual bad behavior the way Notch suggested. Nothing that indicates Notch simply wasn't terribly mistaken or just plain wrong with everything.
You are taking their comments on their relationship to Minecraft completely out of context. They've said they've played a role in its success, that's it. It's certainly true if you know anything about advertising. Also, given that they are essentially press for Mojang, they have every reason to have access to the playtest area separately. That's just good business. The only reason they wouldn't is if Minecon was horribly managed...oh wait, IT WAS HORRIBLY MANAGED (we have several reports on this, and no one denies it).
So yeah, "things are confirmed" if you mean "some events that Notch could have wildly misinterpreted in a bad way have been confirmed." But there's certainly no evidence that the Yogscast did anything wrong.
Again, Notch haven't said he was mistaken at all. So if you saw notch punch a pragnent woman and it turned out to beeing mispercieved somehow you would still have seen notch punch someone. Lets say for example the pregnant woman really were a desguised man trying to assasinate deadmau5. You would still be correct to say that you saw notch punch what seemd to be a pregnant woman. Or maybe it really were a pregnand woman but notch somehow had good reason to believe it was an dressed up assasin. Point is that your claim would be based on a missunderstanding, but still it wouldn't be wrong.
Saying your claim comes from a misunderstanding is saying you were mistaken in one form or another. And no, if you claim you saw Notch punch a pregnant women, that doesn't necessarily mean you saw him punch anyone -- false perceptions about physical conflict are easy enough.
There's simply no reason to think Notch was anything but horribly wrong and mistaken with his accusations. He has zero evidence that backs what he said up. There may be basis for the idea he completely misinterpreted things, but that's it. It also means that it is wildly inappropriate of him to act like what he said was true, as it just adds fuel to the fire.
Notch is simply acting very poorly, even after his "apology."
I'm not saying you can't say bad things, i'm saying it's sad that we do and **** on the people that make this community possible.
I call a spade a spade. I see no reason to pretend that Notch is acting in a good way when he isn't. Just because he made Minecraft is no reason to ignore his bad behavior.
Indeed, and its your right to point that out to every one in the world so you can feel so much better about yourself.
For someone who is saying we shouldn't say bad things about people, you are being rather hypocritical. Also, I'm not posting anything to feel better about myself. I just care about the facts.
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If he had hired 4 or 5 guys to work on the game, then we'd probably have all of those features he had promised. And make no mistake, he easily could have afforded that.
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He clearly understates how cool it is to be able to make things with blocks. That's the main draw of the game.
I have to agree with the review that anyone giving Minecraft a 10/10 or even a 9/10 is clearly being overly generous. The game does have some significant flaws and a severe lack of content. That's to be expected when it has only ever had one full-time programmer at a time (once Jeb was hired Notch stopped being a full-time programmer on Minecraft). The game just hasn't gotten the attention it deserves from Mojang in terms of resources to develop it. They really should have hired several people to work on it...certainly they could have afforded that.
Anyone who disagrees with me should merely note how we have a bunch of mods that add more content to the game than Mojang has added in the last year. That's just how bad the official development has been. It is an embarrassment that they are now charging 28 bucks for a game that's so clearly needs a lot more work. Again, it just isn't ready to be considered a full release.
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In Scandinavia I believe it is common for them to not assume the accused is guilty. Certainly their scientists believe the burden of proof is on someone making a claim.
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Right, in other words he doesn't believe it is a misunderstanding at all. He is not telling the truth there. He's just trying to make it LOOK like he's apologizing without doing so.
This is like your kid getting up in the middle of school and yelling about how classmate Bob is a jerk, stole their stuff, spit in people's food, etc, etc. When everyone else is surprised and Bob's friends and teachers say he's a well-behaved student, your kid decides to apologize. He then says "I guess I misunderstood things, but Bob did all that stuff".
That's NOT an apology. We shouldn't act like it is.
If you want to continue to believe Notch told the truth, despite having zero evidence in his favor, then that's your call. But I am not going to pretend he apologized. At BEST he apologized for saying anything, then immediately went and said that everything he said was true, which completely undermines the tiny apology he did make.
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Ahh, but your child has already said he misunderstood what happened. At that point he's basically said he wasn't saying the truth. Notch is trying to have it both ways. "I was wrong and misunderstood" and "but what I said was totally true." Those two statements are NOT consistent with each other.
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Ok, full CONTEXT:
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Yes, and said he should have settled it in private. He has also said that everything he said was true...and there is still zero evidence for it.
It's a crap "apology." He's only apologizing for people seeing what he said, while maintaining that all he said was true (again, without evidence).
Seriously, if you have kids, would you accept this kind of apology for something they did? If you don't, when you were a kid would your parents have accepted it?
All this just makes Notch look worse, especially after selling the rights to the Yogscast's show behind their backs and only informing them a couple weeks before Minecon.
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So...yeah. Still no proof for his accusations and a half-assed apology.
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I am just saying there's no evidence they made any mistakes of note. Well, I guess you could count some profanity in the hastily cobbled together video they made (which Mojang approved for what it is worth). That's about it.
That's very different from the fact that there's evidence that Mojang and Notch have handled things horribly.
I just want to avoid a false equivalence between the two sides.
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You are assuming he's perfectly rational, when he's demonstrated multiple times that he isn't. He tends to go off on things and twitter without thinking things through. He's done it before and he'll most likely do it again.
Your question here is absurd, because there are plenty of people far more famous and with far more to lose who have done far stupider things in public than Notch.
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Except even you acknowledge the context is probably wrong there. Long videos of them talking about the game and community show they love and appreciate everyone in it. That's stuff that is IN CONTEXT.
All we have are a bunch of crappy accusations by Notch that have zero support from anyone. So unless you think that all this stuff somehow happened with no witnesses except Notch (which is largely impossible since some require other witnesses), then there's nothing here but Notch misunderstanding things and being a jerk.
And there's plenty of reason to think this. Notch has overreacted to people before and "been done" with tons of things before for seemingly little reason. Mojang sold the rights to the Yogscast's livestream and convention coverage without permission whilst expecting the Yogscast to pay for all their rooms, flights, etc on their own. Mojang's response? The Yogscast was "difficult to work with" -- they don't deny anything.
Frankly, there really is no reason to think the Yogscast did anything wrong, while there is clearly plenty wrong with how Mojang handled running the convention. Further evidence could show up to change things, but given that it has been several days and nothing has appeared, that seems a bit unlikely.
As for the playtest bit, one of the people there said there were no problems at all and no one was upset, so it doesn't even seem clear there was any fuss. You are just assuming one person was right and another person must be wrong there when they disagree -- note this is different then what I am doing above because we've had a lot of people comment on this, including Mojang and Notch responding to comments that have been made and not denying certain heinous actions on their part or the fact they reviewed and approved video they later complained about.
I just don't see how anyone can look at the evidence and not conclude Mojang handled Minecon horribly.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/mnau9/yogscast_response_to_notchs_twitterings/
Yeah...so wow. In exchange from Mojang we get that the Yogscast were "difficult to work with."
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Except Notch is still claiming what he said was true, and Mojang has now officially said working with the Yogscast was "difficult" after it has been revealed that Mojang sold the rights to the Yogscast's work without permission (IGN of course realized the illegality of that and dropped it).
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Ok, what I meant was there's nothing that indicates there was any kind of actual bad behavior the way Notch suggested. Nothing that indicates Notch simply wasn't terribly mistaken or just plain wrong with everything.
You are taking their comments on their relationship to Minecraft completely out of context. They've said they've played a role in its success, that's it. It's certainly true if you know anything about advertising. Also, given that they are essentially press for Mojang, they have every reason to have access to the playtest area separately. That's just good business. The only reason they wouldn't is if Minecon was horribly managed...oh wait, IT WAS HORRIBLY MANAGED (we have several reports on this, and no one denies it).
So yeah, "things are confirmed" if you mean "some events that Notch could have wildly misinterpreted in a bad way have been confirmed." But there's certainly no evidence that the Yogscast did anything wrong.
Saying your claim comes from a misunderstanding is saying you were mistaken in one form or another. And no, if you claim you saw Notch punch a pregnant women, that doesn't necessarily mean you saw him punch anyone -- false perceptions about physical conflict are easy enough.
There's simply no reason to think Notch was anything but horribly wrong and mistaken with his accusations. He has zero evidence that backs what he said up. There may be basis for the idea he completely misinterpreted things, but that's it. It also means that it is wildly inappropriate of him to act like what he said was true, as it just adds fuel to the fire.
Notch is simply acting very poorly, even after his "apology."
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I call a spade a spade. I see no reason to pretend that Notch is acting in a good way when he isn't. Just because he made Minecraft is no reason to ignore his bad behavior.
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For someone who is saying we shouldn't say bad things about people, you are being rather hypocritical. Also, I'm not posting anything to feel better about myself. I just care about the facts.