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Quote from ChadGarion25

Redo how dyes are handled all together by giving cauldrons a purpose; making dye into a liquid form

• Cauldrons containing water can be right clicked with powdered dye to color the water (a tint of water won't require new block types)
• 3 objects can be dyed by right clicking the cauldron of dye whilst holding them. In this case, wool blocks, glass blocks, and glass panes (you can still take stained glass blocks of the same color and craft panes)

This solves the realistic problem with dying glass with a powder. It also gives Cauldrons a useful role. You can take the process further by being able to bottle dye from the cauldron but that would require potions to be stack-able and even though it's more efficient it's cumbersome to mass produce.

Here are some images that better explain the proccess:

Quote from neraphim

If i were to make any suggestions, i would recommend a simple refraction system. Like redstone only carries current 13 blocks or so, the glass panels could, if encased in non-opaque blocks, carry the light further than it would normally travel (like optic fibers). Additionally i would suggest colored redstone lamps, so that the color could be turned on and of at the switch of a button.

Common Questions:
I have received a lot of comments about glass blocks and changing light color causing too much lag or requiring an entire overhaul of the light engine MC currently has implemented. What people don’t fully understand is how MC lights work and where in-game lag actually comes from in videogames. I can't say I completely understand how exactly the MC lighting engine works as I have not seen the code, however it is briefly explained here: http://www.minecraft....net/wiki/Light if you have any better knowledge or sources that explains these points better, feel free to critique my points and share your insight on the topic.

"Why did you label the topic as 'original'? This isn't the first colored glass topic, you know..."
You are correct, this is not the first topic on colored glass, nor am I saying it is. The 'Original' tag in the title is referring to this topic and it's contents specifically. On several occasions, I came across my topic copied directly into Redit and other online blogs; without any sort of credit to the images and content. As the images in this topic were created from scratch by me, copying this topic would be considered art theft.
So to answer your question, the Colored Glass! topic is labeled as original because it is, the original.

Is it possible to change the color of the light?
Yes. Difficult, but possible. It used to be quite easy to light blocks with individual colors in early versions of Minecraft, but with the current light system this is no longer the case. It would require additions to the light system, the renderer, the map file format, and the network protocol. (A technical proposal can be found here, behind the cut.)
(question aswered by Nocte)

Will it cause lag?
Yes, unfortunately the addition of colored light will lower your frame rate. How much? This is hard to predict until someone actually tries it on a variety of hardware, but there's no reason to believe it will be anything drastic. It will also have an impact on memory use -- 64 KB per unpacked chunk to be precise. And of course the color information will have to go over the network somehow. If necessary, it would be possible to add an option to simply ignore the color information, and keep the current system where all block lights have the same yellowish color.
(question aswered by Nocte)

"Are there any Mods with Colored glass or colored light?":
Yes, there are some mods for colored glass and there are older mods that have colored light implemented into MC. Here are just a few of these projects:

• Kovu, a follower of this topic has been working on a colored light prototype. wheather he is doing it with the current minecraft engine or not is unclear but if it is, this proves that colored light is indeed possible with the current lighting engine. it may just need some performance updates. -_^

Discussion found here:
http://www.minecraft.../page__st__1900

• Nocte, one of the followers of this topic is very knowledgeable of what is going on behind all the gears and pendulums of Minecraft and has been working on this project. He may even tackle colored light. -_^

• CptSpaceToaster, one of the followers of this topic is currently working on a colored glass mod inspired by this topic and he is making big progress on colored light; proving that it is Indeed possible to do. You can watch his progress on his colored glass and light mod topics here:
http://www.minecraft...-colored-glass/
http://www.minecraft.../#entry24515141

• Here is a cool mod by Georqq that uses the same system suggested here; smelting colored sands to create colored glass, check it out!:
Colored sands into colored glass

• Here is an outstanding colored light mod that was in the works by theoneandonlyflexo check out his videos and his channel!
Video 1
Video 2

"I don't like colored sand because it would add too many new blocks to MC":
I added colored sand as an option for crafting colored glass because it would kills 2 birds with one stone. It would solve problems for people wanting colored glass and people wanting more color variations in standard blocks such as non-burnable, gravity, and stairs/slabs. The colored sand idea actually wouldn't require any new blocks or textures at all. The reason why, is because of how it could be programed. Much like how the biomes change the color of grass and leaves, both can wool and sand. Thus all blocks or future blocks that are craft able from sand or wool could be done in the same way; being colored entirely in code and decreasing the textures needed for the blocks. This solution would obviously require a change to how entities work but it would make way for limitless amount of colored items much like how leather armor works.

Now you may still be thinking, "well, that still doesn't fix the items being displayed in the inventory" actually it wouldn't be much of a problem since all of these items are just as hard to craft, having an inventory full of different colored sandstone blocks and the like, is only the fruits of your labors; having to collect dies, making cored sand and crafting them into stone. If what you are worrying about is the creative menu being overly crowded; this also wouldn't be a problem since the 1.3.1 update that added an improved creative mode inventory with
categorized tabs for various items/blocks and a search menu. If more colored blocks are added, they could simply just be added into to their own tab with would be extremely useful for pixel art artists and the like.

If you are still unsatisfied with colored sand being a step in creating of colored glass, we have discussed other options as colored sand is only a suggestion. Please look at "Cool Ideas by you guys" above for more information.

"Wouldn't it be easier to make colored glass by just combining it with dye like how you make wool?"
Easier yes, but wouldn't make much sense. Colored sand would mimic how real colored glass is created and it would open up more opportunities for new blocks using colored sand; including colored sandstone steps. Also, considering the "special properties" of colored glass, I believe it should be slightly harder to craft instead of simply adding color. with that said, I do not intend to say my crafting proposition is the best solution. In fact there have been many great alternative suggestions that have been made here. So keep thinking critically, innovate on existing ideas and give us some great suggestions!

"Has Mojang seen this?"
Yes, in fact we even heard back from Mojang on the topic; Nathan Adams also known as Dinnerbone from Mojang stressed that they have indeed been noticing the feedback on colored glass from the community. He also stated that colored glass is indeed possible and hinted that implementation of colored glass is not a "no"; which is exciting news.
Unfortunately, he also informed us that colored light is impossible on a large scale with the current lighting engine. However he also stated: "The lighting system is extremely broken and needs rewriting" this could mean that there is still a chance, if re-written, a new lighting engine may be able to support colored light. But this is uncertain.

The whole conversation can be found here:
https://twitter.com/...219652471980032

ChadGarion25 informed me of a tweet made by Dinnerbone on 25 Sep at 6:14 AM eastern time where dinner bone posted a comment that could be very promising for colored glass and colored light to be implemented into Minecraft!

Check it out!
https://twitter.com/...583946977497088

So basically what we can assume from all this is:

1) colored glass is very much possible in the current version of Minecraft; except it wouldn't allow other transparent textures to be seen through the glass (much how ice and water works in MC) and it would be difficult to ad a Z-buffer without having performance issues on slow platforms. This may not be much of an issue as most people will not have a reason to blend the colors of glass by stacking and though not completely transparent, it may look ok anyway. however I feel if a z buffer were added, perhaps there could be a toggle in video settings to turn off z-buffering for those who are playing on slower computers. Dinnerbone also hinted that the implementation of colored glass into vanilla is neither a yes or a no... so, I wouldn't give up on it just yet, guys. -_^

2) There are mods that have colored light implemented in versions of Minecraft before the adventure update. Check out theoneandonlyflexo for more info!

3) Yes Mojang has noticed this topic so there is no need to keep tweeting it to them as if they have never seen it.

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Edit: 7/5/2013: I hit the bandwidth limit on my photobucket. here is a link directly to it so yo can see the pictures.

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Edit: 6/23/2013: I just put ideas from my "Lets Talk About How We Can Improve Swamp Biomes. " thread at the Bottom of this thread. Im adding these This thread because I feel these Topics are similar enough to each other to not warrant two threads. If people don't like his Idea i will change it back, but until that happens please Discuss both Ocean and Spawn BIomes in this thread.


New edit: just added the thread " lets talk about how we can improve Swamp biomes" it is found here http://www.minecraft...e-swamp-biomes/ . please take a look if your would like.

Edit: please don't comment with Ideas from mods or other suggestion thread( unless the Op does it himself/ Herself or says its ok.)


Lets talk about how we can improve Ocean Biomes.

Minecraft Oceans are one of the many great wonders of minecraft. One of my favorite things in minecraft is a sunset on the open ocean, but once you start to explore the oceans you quickly find out that oceans are very boring and empty. I mean very rarely you will get a underwater ravine and inside they maybe a abandon mineshaft, but this is the extent of that can be found in this vast empty space.

Now don't get me wrong. I understand that Ocean are in real life very vast and open, but right now they are so barren that they feel lifeless. i mean all we get are the random Squid and mushroom Biomes.

So here is what I want to do. Lets discuss what we as a player base what we want to see in the Oceans. What you like about them. What your hate about them. Ideas for changes. After we get a lot of Ideas I'll make a thread in the suggestion forum with all the input and new Ideas.


My ideas will be in the post below this to start things off


Let the discussion begin!




Well I will start this thread off I guess.


1. Changes to Squid by:firesflame4

One of the easiest things I think should be changed is that unlike most other passive mobs Squid are not persistent( are able to despawn) and can not breed. If any of your were around for 1.5, you remember that Squid were one of the first mobs that were persistent. Since they did not despawn they were limited to 5 squid per chunk. In 1.6 this was changed to make squid like all other mobs at the time and also because people complained that squids were "hard to find". But now since All passive Mobs are persistent we should change Squid back to this. Next since Squid persistent I would like to be able to breed Squid, maybe using fish as its food to breed. Last i would like to add more uses for Ink. maybe Ink could be used in a sort of blindless Potion.


2. Addition of Shipwrecks and lighthouses by:firesflame4 and Others

Next I would like to see Ocean Biomes get their own unique Structure. I think the easiest Idea( and most thought of) would be a Ship Wreck. These could generate in Two places. On beaches / in water next to beaches and completely underwater. Ship wrecks on and near beaches would be only partially under water. these would also be partially buried in sand( run aground). Ones completely under water would be flooded inside and not buried as much. Inside the Ship Would be a Chest with loot inside of it. also maybe dispensers ( cannons) with fire charges inside of them. This would give a reason for the player to look for Islands and explore the bottom of the Ocean.



also people have also started they want abandon lighthouses as a structure

New lighthouse design

Light off


light on



here is a photobucket gallery of a beached ship and also a lighthouse

http://s269.photobuc...!cpZZ2QQtppZZ24


3. Addition of Coral and Seaweed by:firesflame4

Coral has been something that has been talked about many times since minecraft has been around, but it has had many problems. The main problem Jeb has had with implementing it is that he isn't able to get one block to look like how diverse coral can be. The only solution i can think of to make Coral diverse is to a "Rock Entity"( Bases on ether Limestone or Smooth Stone) that Coral will Spawn and be able to grow on. This will allow for many type of Coral to be created in the game and not having to use a block to make all Coral. Also this will let Coral seem alive as since the Coral is " part of the entity" they could move "with the water". Also one of the Coral "Plants" could become the potion Ingredient for underwater breathing.

seaweed should also be added to all bodys of water


4. More water Mobs by:firesflame4

It has been Said many times they we need more water Mobs. We all know that fish are still wanted greatly, but I want to talk about other water mobs. Mobs that would Not only make the Ocean a easier Biome to start a world in( on a Island), but also add a feeling of life to the ocean.

A. Walrus

Just a Mob I feel would fit into the minecraft world and the Ocean Biome. This Passive Mob would be like the Pig/ Cow of the Ocean Biome. These mobs would spawn on Beaches or in 1 block high water neer beaches. They would enter and leave the water during the day randomly, but always leave the water at night. On land they would be slow and kinda clumsy. In water they would be much faster and more agile. This Mob would drop meat of some kind and its equivalent of leather. This mob would be persistent and Breed and lured only on land and by using raw fish.



added the difference between male walrus and female/ baby walrus


B. Kronosaurus

Edit: This idea has become every unpopular, but I'm still going to leave it here for funs sake.

Next on my List is a blast from the past. If your don't know that a Kronosaurus is take at look at its wiki here--> http://en.wikipedia....iki/Kronosaurus. I think that this would be a great neutral Persistent Mob for the Ocean. I feel like this should spawn by coral and ship wrecks and be limited to one- three naturally spawned per chunk. Like all neutral mabs if attacks they will attack you back, but it has other behaviors too. The first thing it will do is if you cast a fishing pole by were one is and you start to caught a fish it will "attack the fish" taking the fish and making the pole lose 25-50% of its durability. next, if you are in a boat ( moving or not moving) it swim up to the boat. If your are moving it will Swim alongside the Boat till you stop or it "gets bored". If you are not moving it will lift its head out of the water. If you don't have raw fish on you it will Swim away. if you do have fish on you it will want one. you can give it a fish my Right clicking it. This will stop it form attacking your fishing pole for a set amount of time. if you don't feed it a fish it will get mad( maybe on hard breaking your boat and attacking you). they can be lured with raw fish.



C. Whale
Sure this is not the most Original Idea, but I feel that this would make a great addition to Oceans. Whales Would be a Persistent passive Mob that would spawn in the open ocean. They would Spawn in groups of 2-6 and are limited to 6 a chunk. Whales stay together with there group( "pod"). Never going too far away from each other. overtime if there is less then 6 Whales in its Pod they will Breed until the Max amount of 6 is met. Whales only breed every 4-6 minecraft days and after they have eaten a Squid. A Pod of Whales consists of 4 adult whales and 2 babies. If there are already 4 adult whales in a Pod the baby whales will not grow up. Baby whales will only grow up if they are needed to for breeding. Whales have large amounts of health and take a long time to kill, but don't attack the player( they run). Whales drop 3-12 Meat( whale version of meat) and 3-12 Bones. the combined total will never go over 20 items.



D. Fish

Final I'm going to add how i think fish should be to the Op.

Fish have always been in minecraft as a item but never as a Mob. i feel that fish would Greatly improve Oceans by making them feel even more alive, but i want fish to not be one single mob.

my solution to this is to not only make 2 fish models but also make the models have multiple sizes and textures. The models( seen below) are 2 common styles of fish. The top one is the a more streamline fish body( pike, bass, koi, Ect,) while the bottom one is more Square shaped( angelfish, some goldfish, many tropocal fish). If we take these 2 models and not only change the sizes but also the textures, we can make a very diverse fish population.



Next I'm doing to address how fishing changes with the addition of fish. unlike how fishing works now. you will be catching the fish more itself instead of just getting the item. when you throw your bobber, Fish in the area will be attracted to it. Eventually the fish will take the bait. if you pull it our of the water then you will get un item called a "live fish" . If u do nothing to the fish for 1 minute it will turn into a Raw fish, but if you put a bucket of water and a "live fish" into your crafting table you will get a "fish in a Bucket". This is how you can keep fish Alive after you caught them. If you use the "fish in a Bucket on a water block it will place the fish that you caught into the water( and let it live as long as there is enough water for it to fit into). This fish will no longer Despawn and no longer go after bobbers. It can be picked back up if clicked with a bucket of water. If you place a "fish in a Bucket" into your crafting table it will get a "live fish" back along with a Empty bucket. If you kill a fish my bringing its health to 0 it will drop raw fish.

Models that could be made with small changed to Current models





also aded ideas for ray models



E. Snails. Many people. (model by me)

People have been saying that want snails so i made a model



They will be about the size of the bats of not a little smaller. found underwater/ on beaches. drop shells that can be made inso shell blocks

F.Sea Turtles: by me

Currently no uses ideas. please feel free to give me some



G.penguins: by me

only spawn in snow biomes that border Oceans

source of eggs in snowbiomes



H. Seagulls: model by me, idea by many people.

People would like to see a seagull as an aesthetic mob like bats.

so I made a model. if we really need to add a use. they ( like penguins) could be a source of eggs.



I.New Mob Size Charts.





J. Ocean Mob Interactions.

Like some of the land Mobs (Wolves & Sheep, Cats & Chickens. Villagers and Iron golems) Ocean mobs will have interactions with each other.

First I wil Explain the Mob food Chain.

Fish ---Eaten By----> Walrus
Fish ---Eaten By----> Squid ---Eaten By---->Whale
Fish ---Eaten By----> Kronosarus

Kronosaurs, Squid and Walruses( while in water) will hunt fish when that are able to bread. after "catching" a fish that will be put into "breeding mode". then they will bread with other mobs that that are in "breeding mode".

If a whale is able to bread it will Hunt Squid. After "catching" a Squid it will enter Breeding Mode and will breed with other Whales that are in "breeding Mode"

Squid, Walruses and Kronosaurus will not approach whales, but will now flee when one approaches them.

Fish will be drawn to Whales as they scare away the Mobs that eat them.

5. Underwater Terrein generation by: Metalwario, ghost_warlock, Spitzer, Sefirah and more.

From what I have been seeing people want changes in underwater Terrain generation. The first problem people are having a problem with is what the Ocean floor is made out of. It is very splotchy. and feel very patched together. also besides the random underwater ravines, underwater terrain itself is very boring. Things could be added here.

6. Volcano / tropical Island Biome by:Buzeebuzeesmap

But I think that waht should be added is Volcanic/ tropical Islands!

These would be humungous mountains of stone with lava spewing out the top, and the area sorrounding it would be much like the jungle biome. They contain tropical, which are a new tree with leaves that spread way out in spikes. There would be a new type of leaf, wich would appear to be made of spikes. The logs would look like jungle logs, but with bands of a slightly lighter color at the top and bottom. Palm trees would have a 20% chance of spawning with Bananas.

Bananas spawn in bunches which can drop 2-5 bananas on the side of tropical trees. Bananas would restore one hunger, with zero saturation.

I also think that there should be more islands. The islands would be made of sand and clay, and would be slightly dome-shaped. The islands would be covered in tropical.


7. kelp forests in Oceans By; Vermillion

Quote from Vermillion_44

my main idea, a seaweed, or more specifically kelp. Kelp would sort of be like underwater vines, only growing upwards. There would be two kinds of kelp- the common green kelp, which would do nothing other then block line of sight and occasionally release an air bubble, and red kelp, which would behave more like an underwater cobweb. Kelp would normally only grow four-six blocks from the sea floor, but within the kelp forest biome it would spawn in large quantities and be able to grow infinitely tall.