Minecraft Forums

This is so necessary for adventure maps. And I'm not being ironic. So far we cannot even play the records, I believe.

It's a shame that there are some limitations, that, unless some mapmaker or mindcracker speaks to Dinnerbone, will never be changed.
If someone has a twitter account, would be great to tweet him this.

The major limitation is the rain sound.
It is not a single file on repeat... it's actually four separate "rain drop" sounds that are hardcoded to be randomly played.
So if you wanted resource packs to play something like "rainy mood" when it starts rain ingame, too bad... the game will only play the first second of the complete audio over and over again.

We cannot escape the annoying rain... the only option is to replace the drop sounds with a lower volume copy, or with a mute one.
:/

It's a shame that there are some limitations, that, unless some mapmaker or mindcracker speaks to Dinnerbone, will never be changed.
If someone has a twitter account, would be great to tweet him this.

The major limitation is the rain sound.
It is not a single file on repeat... it's actually four separate "rain drop" sounds that are hardcored to be randomly played.
So if you wanted resource packs to play something like "rainy mood" when it starts rain ingame, too bad... the game will only play the first second of the complete audio over and over again.

We cannot escape the annoyingn rain... the only option is to replace the drop sounds with a lower volume copy, or with a mute one.
:/

To me it will only make sense (the nerf, now rebalanced) if a disperser does not use a bonemeal on a grown crop/tree.
The dispenser bonemealing insertion in the game was for automation purpose (just like hoppers).
You cannot reliably automate something that is random.

Because otherwise this simple mechanic is void, as a single use does not guarantee a full growth, and a multiple use will inevitably lose tons of bonemeal for already grown crop.

Ask youself: why would you use a mechanic that will make you waste tons of bonemeal? Answer is: YOU WONT.

This is not the same as enchanting being random, or generation being random, as they have nothing to do with an automation mechanic.

Make the cactus on a flower pot deal damage without destroying itens.
You can already place flower pots in adjacent blocks.

But a spike block would be better. Specially if it were like a piston where if extended, instead of the piston arm you get spikes, that would be great for adventure maps.

I agree that the terrain generation could be vastly improved. But I also don't think that pre-1.8 terrain was better in any way. The randomness it presented was nice in a first glance, but it was also the factor that made everything "the same", after all the number of variables used in it's randomness was very limited.

The presence of biomes was a step in the right direction IMO. But again the randomness within every biome, and between biomes itself is also very limited. So after beta we ended up with (a few) small different islands of "the same" stuff.
Why it's randomness must be so limited? That is what should be worked on (after the bugfixes of course).
All the variables used in the random factor inside each biome should also be extended (with a chance) to be applied to all other biomes, with the only limitations being the logical aspects like temperature and height.

With the current biome generation we cannot have forests in extreme hills (x-hills). We cannot have x-hills overhanging/crossing other biomes. No x-hilly taigas or deserts. (maybe I'm mistaken on one of these, but my point stands).

Anyone who watches a video of Biomes O' Plenty will understand what I'm talking about. Now add to all those biomes an increased chance of randomness (taking features of other biomes) and you will have a genuinely interesting world.

It amuses me how people can think that the way they play a sandbox game is the "right way".

Oh wait, the locking does keep the original state of the output signal. So I guess it is indeed a d-flip-flop!

I was thinking that the controller/locking repeater would pass it's signal to the output/locked repeater, but I was wrong.

I agree that renaming should not cost xp, or at least cost 1 level or less.

The "book renaming" argument is flawless.

I saw this album of the Biomes mod and wished I had the same on Minecraft vanilla... the joy of discovery new and exciting land, of my mind working on new possibilities of buildings that I could make in those different enviroments...

Biomes O' Plenty - Imgur

So yeah, I think Minecraft should have as many biomes as possible. This is to me the best way of making the game doesn't feel like every scenario you see is the same as you saw 10 min ago.
Maybe even random biomes, like based on a set of characteristics that we already have, they are randomly mixed together. Some results would be similar of that on the Imgur algum I posted.

Of course adding changes to the world generator would cause the wrath of the community, like always. But I'd go for it.

Quote from SethBlue

There were some complaints I didn't say specifically what I didnt like about the new updates. Well heres a list of things that ruined Minecraft for me:

Hardcore Mode - Don't play or create a hardcore mode world
The End - Don't go to the End
Enderdragons - Don't fight it / Don't go to the End
XP - Ignore it
Enchantments - Don't enchant
Beacons - Don't craft it??
Witches - Don't search for one, and if you stumble upon, kill it and move on
Potions - Don't brew

Except for hunger, everything you mentioned is optional and/or can be ignored. So you really would want for these features to never be in the game, even though you can, if you choose to, be completely oblivious of their existence without it changing in any shape or form the sandbox and survival aspects of Minecraft that you love so much? ¬¬

Now, I know that you may bring this up, so I'll already respond to it. Everything I mentioned as optional is optional only on a strict personal gameplay. I'm not saying SP or individual because you could ask your friend to join (using the NEW lan feature, btw) your world, and both could agree to ignore said things, and that would be multiplayer. But yeah, on a SERVER you may not be able to ignore potions and enchantments, as other players may use them against you, but guess what, it's YOUR CHOICE which server you play on. Again, if YOU decide to play on a pvp server, it's YOUR choice to face other players that use potions and enchantments.

TL;DR: Your attitude is similar to that of a child that thinks that if he is not happy nobody should be able to.

And I find completely unnecessary the creation of a second thread to say EXACTLY the same thing.... but what can I do.

Edit: It took to long for me to wrote this, so I was ninja;d several times.

/playsound was a command requested for the map tech-demo, "Jeffrey's Chamber". He had an idea for a "Sound Block" which could play a sound from a folder.

Dinnerbone did this, though through a command, not a new block.

/playsound <sound> <player> [x] [y] [z] [volume] [pitch] [minimumVolume]

Is the main way it is set up.
"playsound" is the command used, for the command block, or console.
The <sound> part is how it emits what sound, and goes through the game's code-names for the sounds it has to play at certain parts.

/playsound ambient.weather.thunder

This would play the in-game Thunder sound effect.
<player> determines who hears it, so in a map only certain people can hear it.

/playsound ambient.weather.thunder @a[team=Red]

This would make only the people on the Red team of a Mini-Game map would hear thunder.
[x] [y] [z] Helps check where the center of the noise is, like how the center of a Pig-Oinking sound effect is the Pig.

/playsound ambient.weather.thunder @a[team=red] 1642 85 -625

This would make the center of the Red team only thunder noise come from those coords.
[volume] checks how loud the noise is, or how quite. The volume can be set from 0.0-2.0.

/playsound ambient.weather.thunder @a[team=red] 1642 85 -625 1.6

This would make it quite a bit more than the medium amount of noise that can be emitted.
[pitch] is how high-pitched or low-pitched it is. Can be from 0.0-2.0.

/playsound ambient.weather.thunder @a[team=red] 1642 85 -625 1.6 1.9

This would make a very high-pitched noise, which could sound almost like an alarm noise, in some sort of Race style mini-map.
[minimumVolume] is how low the volume can be, in the case it having randomized volume.

/playsound ambient.weather.thunder @a[team=red] 1642 85 -625 1.6 1.9 0.2

This would make the thunder noise sound farther away, in the case of one command block as a replica for actual thunder.

This is all the perimeters for the command, to create an alarm noise for the Red Team.
The finished product:

/playsound ambient.weather.thunder @a[team=red] 1642 85 -625 1.6 1.9 0.2

With the new "Resource Packs" able to change sounds, creating a map with actual sounds, and an actual Narrator is quite easy. Hope this helped!

Also, if you don't know the sound effect names, then here is how to figure out.
go into .minecraft (or minecraft in iMac), and go into the "assets" folder.
go into the "sound" folder, and you should see a bunch of folders. I am going into "mob".
then you should see a list of folders, each one should be named after the mob, I am going into the "creeper" folder. Then, you will see all the .ogg files, named after the effect, and if you went into certain folders, such as "fireworks", you will see the .ogg files straight away, instead of more folders, since I went into creeper, I saw the "death" sound effect.
So, you will figure out by doing this, and in the end, the sound effect I figured out is "mob.creeper.death", or if you went in to something like firework, then "fireworks.twinkle1", since there is only one folder. As well as for a name that has a "." in it, then you right a "_" instead, "random.anvil_use".

Experimenting results in strange things. The community, and I have discovered things that may have not been discovered until this was released.

It would be great for mapmakers to be able to play audio in-game without the player needing to put a record in a jukebox. It would also let the mapmaker leave as many messages as they want in-game without running out of sounds to replace. Full support

Glitter is a series of individual clientside mods that can be installed separately, for various purposes. Most of the mods can be used on any server, and never affect the world composition or game rules (no new items, no new mobs...), and does not affect anything on the server's perspective (no flying, no noclipping...)

This is not a mod pack
Glitter is not a mod pack, it's just that those mods I made are so small they don't deserve their own thread.

Current mods
The descriptions provided here are in a nutshell. More info are available on Info links.

- Minaptics (Info) - Ease-in ease-out Zoom Key. Hold Zoom Key to calibrate the FOV.
- QuickThirdPerson (Info) - Orbit around your character in Third Person.
- Skinning In-Game for Mine Little Pony (Info) - CTRL-SHIFT-P reads .minecraft/skin_edit.png every second and applies it to your character skin. Alt-Tab and edit skin_edit.png, view the changes. QuickThirdPerson is recommended. Compatible with the mod Mine Little Pony.
- FootstepsShortCircuit (Info) - Mutes Footsteps in SMP (not yet SP).
- Bindings Compact (Info) - CTRL-SHIFT-B opens a compact bindings GUI.
- ChatlogToFile (Info) - Saves all chat to a file.

Download links and Information
http://ha3.eu/public...ds/glitter.php

Source code
https://github.com/H...aaane/MC-Client

License
All mods are under WTFPLv2 unless noted otherwise. Redistribute/Modify at will.

Quote from Wanderer

My question is:
"How does this affect you, in which parts of your gameplay, and why are you against it?"
You keep saying how insignificant bonemeal is. So why does it matter to you?

I'll tell you my side.

It doesn't affect my gameplay. I never relied upon it and It was never OP for me because I always survived well enough without it. Plus, the use on crops gives you some food. Big whoop, as I can go over a hill, find an animal, and kill it for better food. The few times I do use it for crops are now going to require seven times the input for something that used to require one use, making it more annoying to use, and discouraging me from using it in the first place. For me, the use of Bonemeal will go from "on occasion" to "rarely if ever", and I feel that Bonemeal, as it was, needed more uses, not reduced capabilities for its lackluster uses.

However, though I am not them, the nerf will leave a very negative impact on the people who do use it, forcing them to switch to more conventional farming. I do not support forcing everyone to play the same way, so, even though I do not use it, I will defend those who do use it because alternative playstyles should be encouraged in a sandbox, not eliminated due to half-assed attempts to make the game "harder" for people with thousands of Bones.

In addition, the few times where I do use Bonemeal for anything will be negatively affected by this nerf. Convenience is ruined early game, PvP servers now are twenty times less fun because I'm rooted to the spot, waiting for Wheat to grow, and Custom maps with intentionally limited resources are now more tedious and less fun to play because I have to risk my life to get the seeds, to get the Bones, and I'm not rewarded with enough food to sustain myself, after all of that risk.

Overall, I hate the change, and hope that Dinnerbone does not listen to these hardcore survival junkies that claim Bonemeal was OP, and makes it useful again.

I doubt that was even the reason he nerfed it. It is significantly more likely that he only nerfed it to make sure that Dispensers filled with Bonemeal wouldn't be broken. Not that I can understand why he even allowed Dispensers to use Bonemeal in the first place...

Quote from Wanderer

Idon't understand the reason for opposing the bonemeal change. Give me a list of your grievances and help me to understand your position.

What is the reason for supporting the change?

We have established food gathering isn't an issue, one can easily set up a farm in the first few days and survive off animals and the like in the interum. So what does it matter that someone near the end game can build a redstone contraption to mass produce wheat?

All the change really does is punish people for not playing the game "how I play the game". Heck I don't even remember anyone really complaining about bonemeal until after the change and then suddenly everyone was all "OMG thank god they nerfed bonemeal it was destroying the game"....

I personally have better things to do with my redstone than build a wheat farm because running a normal farm with stome cattle and growing mushrooms in my basement (all without bonemeal) is just easier. So how exactly does it effect me if someone somewhere builds an automated wheat farm? Why should my prefered method of sandboxing be forced on them?

The only thing more troubling about the bonemeal nerf is the whole attitude surrounding the change, it's nearly miasmic.

As far as general changes to bonemeal I'm fairly receptive when it comes to some tweaking it a bit and from the sound of it they are still working on the ballance. Hopefully they come to a decent, I don't even want to say comprimise because it's an artificial issue in the first place.... but comprimise.

Quote from redstonevet90

So, how does any of this mean that the bonemeal nerf wasn't because of it undermined the food restoration and hunger bar system? None of the things you just mentioned would work without it. Bonemeal makes everything you just said easier.

Because it doesn't undermine the food restoration and hunger bar system.

As I've been saying consistently throughout the week, the overabundance of food regardless of Bonemeals existence and use undermines the threat of starvation. Bonemeal simply expedites the farming process a tad.


Just because you can rely on Bonemeal as your source of food, does not mean that you actually have any advantages over the people who do not rely on Bonemeal as their source of food. Food is plenty abundant without factoring in Bonemeal, and only becomes even more common the longer you stay on a map, voiding any advantages you might have and they were already insignificant.

I'm not going to try to change your ways, but, seriously, having some extra food is far from a game-breaking issue.

Quote from TTFractal44

The OP clearly shows the addiction to instant gratification that afflicts a growing number of people. It is so evident in the Minecraft. Faster mining. Faster pickaxes. Instant crops. Quicker furnaces. More storage. I think people should slow down and be patient. Crops take time to grow.

Heck, it should take time to place blocks!

Instant gratification over my dead body! It's not that I use bonemeal all the time it's just that when you need it then you need.... Okay I can't really explain but -snip-. Minecraft surely isn't for the impatient but things like this nerf can be fearful for what the future will hold. You say that blocks should take time to be placed but I call that fricken crazy. Minecraft is a sandbox game for crying out loud. There is survival but it shouldn't be really really hard( there is hardcore for that ). Maybe they should add extra time to everything! Add few more clicks here and make this and that take longer..... I mean seriously? Also crops on their own will grow fine and if YOU are on single player you WILL have lots of food more than YOU can eat. Just because bonemeal is nerfed doesn't mean you can't supply a surplus of food.

This nerf doesn't add difficulty that would make the game fun what so ever. The nerf was intended for what I believe was for dispencers. IF Mojang that old bonemealing was OP they should have changed that a long time ago. There are numerous compromises that have been posted on these forums. They come in four forms:
Either make crafting bonemeal more complicated or give less bonemeal from bones (1:1)

Only apply the nerf to dispersers and return the old bonemeal back to HAND placed bonemeal.

Reduce nerf to 2 cycles of bonemeal for wheat, carrots, potatoes and 3 cycles for melon/pumpkin stems and 2-4 cycles for trees and 1 for mushrooms.

And finally a new one for all you survival cray cray people. LEAVE the nerf to HARDCORE.

Also if I wanted instant gratification I wouldn't be playing near vanilla SMP and I also hate tekkit/FTB.

Where there is an issue with two sides there should be compromise or a solution.

Quote from cecilhowe

Cecil says stuff...

Cecil, it’s time for you to go back into your box…

Your assertion that the use of bonemeal to grow and harvest a large wheat crop is more efficient than simply allowing a large field of wheat to grow on its own is false.
Anyone who has played Minecraft survival for any length of time will tell you that.

The more advanced player will simply lay out a series of modest wheat fields and leave them to grow (you have unlimited space after all). Every so often they’ll harvest and replant one of the fields and reap an abundance of wheat from it. This activity takes no more than a few minutes and only has to be done once in a while to keep the player stocked. It does not consume any resources and so is repeatable indefinitely.
The only constraining factor is growing time, but if you are pottering around nearby doing something else, then you can guarantee that by the time you need more food it will have grown again.

At some point the player will branch out into meat farming and use the wheat to breed food with more sustenance value, but again, the process is self-sustaining. You don’t have to employ any consumables (like bone meal for instance) to make it work. Indeed having to faff around applying bonemeal to every wheat plant would be a ridiculously tedious task.

So that’s that argument won. Don’t bring it up again.

Regarding the hunger bar and food in general, the need for food in the game is not intended to be a form of persecution. The likes of Mackinz has it right. Hunger is there as a mild background consideration to coerce the player into thinking about how to manage it and hence injecting a variation into the survival game play style. It gives the player something else to do and keeps up the level of interest.
That’s why there are so many different ways of feeding yourself. You are given lots of farming options to try out.
The hunger mechanic can also be exploited by adventure map makers to provide challenge, but that’s a completely separate topic.

Survival is not purely (or even mainly) about subsistence, but actually more about mining with the aim of crafting (food, tools, buildings, cities, etc.) within an interesting, dynamic and, at times, mildly hostile world.
If staying alive was a constant nightmare of desperate foraging and confrontation, then the mining and crafting parts would be forced to take a bit of a backseat and that would spoil things for most players I’d imagine.

Your problem is that you’ve out grown the initial challenge of the game and now that you are in a position of power (being resource and or knowledge rich) you want to be tested further. The fact of the matter is that the challenge as exists is quite challenge enough for new players and is still something to be mindful of for advanced players.

I’d suggest that you go seek your thrills through mods, adventure maps and PvP, rather than trying to foist your ill thought out ideas for difficultly increases on others, who are quite happy with the way things are already.
In any case, changing the bonemeal mechanic as a way of upping difficulty is a pretty lame way of going about it in the first place. There are much more exciting and imaginative ways that could be employed to do that.

Please refer to and cogitate upon my post at 29/01/2013 - 01:31 PM (page 7), as it pretty much describes the way you have conducted yourself in this thread.

Peace out.

Quote from cecilhowe

Please, please, please explain to me why hunger should even be a part of survival mode if it should be something we shouldn't have to worry about?

I maintain that hunger should be worried about in survival, only that it shouldn't be worried about exclusively.
And that's why I feel bonemeal is an acceptable inclusion. Food is still a factor, of course, but it isn't the main factor. You can still go without food, and die, if you aren't careful, but it doesn't smother other gameplay elements. Because when you think about it, bonemeal or not, once you have a farm it sort of stops being a problem, ever again. You're fed forever, so whether you can timeskip with bonemeal or not doesn't really lessen the impact of the hunger mechanic. You're still limited as to how much you can heal yourself, or sprint, based on what is in your pockets and how much you have prepared.

I would point to DayZ as an example of a very different kind of survival game based on the management of resources such as food. It's a larger factor there than in Minecraft.

That's just how I feel, though.