Nah, you have complete control over your server even if you are using a half-decent host.
Considering the amount of hosts that limit the number of players you are allowed on the server (AKA slots), those that only allow one to use either vanilla or recommended builds of bukkit, or those that force the owner to interact with the server via a html based console (no ssh access), I'm going to have disagree and say this not true.
(I've seen this on many of the highly rated providers as well, so it's not just the less-than-half-decent hosts that do it)
Macs typycally have better hardware so in generall it would work better.
Even though Mac's are crap...
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Better hardware but still "crap"... Riiiight....
To each their own I guess (not interested in starting a debate over the merits of one OS or computer design over another, it's off topic for the forum).
Considering the amount of hosts that limit the number of players you are allowed on the server (AKA slots), those that only allow one to use either vanilla or recommended builds of bukkit, or those that force the owner to interact with the server via a html based console (no ssh access), I'm going to have disagree and say this not true.
(I've seen this on many of the highly rated providers as well, so it's not just the less-than-half-decent hosts that do it)
*blink*
Better hardware but still "crap"... Riiiight....
To each their own I guess (not interested in starting a debate over the merits of one OS or computer design over another, it's off topic for the forum).
No really, I simply am disgusted at the mere sight of a mac. To give you an example of my PC dedication, I have 10 in my house that all work, and I still use a lot of them. My oldest was purchased 14 years ago... to you junk, to me reliable. Windows 98 FTW!
Okay, turbo-nerd mode is over. Back to normal.
No really, I simply am disgusted at the mere sight of a mac. To give you an example of my PC dedication, I have 10 in my house that all work, and I still use a lot of them. My oldest was purchased 14 years ago... to you junk, to me reliable. Windows 98 FTW!
Okay, turbo-nerd mode is over. Back to normal.
98? Reliable? Well, more so than 95, I will give it that. Personally, I'd stick a *NIX on it.
10 machines? Well, if I hadn't started moving into virtual machines for a lot of my stuff, I would be at... *counts*... 20 machines, a lot of them would probably be older P3 and P4's (don't need a heck of a lot for an internal DNS, SQL or firewall box).
I'll link to a picture of my rack that sits in my living room if you like.
Oh, BTW, PC = personal computer. Windows, Mac, they are all PC's. And in my experience (not saying you are doing this), but 'being disgusted' at the site of a machine tends to be caused by fanboy-ism and not any real established facts or experience.
For the record, I'm typing this on a windows 7 box, chatting on IRC on my hackintosh, and my servers all run Linux/FreeBSD.
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You clearly know nothing about computers. Macs hardware is the same as a PC's hardware. It's all HARDWARE. Mac and Windows are SOFTWARE. They are both computers running HARDWARE.
Mac uses Dell hardware, Some PCs use Dell Hardware.
Well you kind of just offended me because I have spent a long time dwelling over the mac vs. pc thing. However, in MY experience, all macs I have used have had better hardware. Seriously, I thought that was kind of a fact, but im not going to deny that the main argument is about the OS.
98? Reliable? Well, more so than 95, I will give it that. Personally, I'd stick a *NIX on it.
10 machines? Well, if I hadn't started moving into virtual machines for a lot of my stuff, I would be at... *counts*... 20 machines, a lot of them would probably be older P3 and P4's (don't need a heck of a lot for an internal DNS, SQL or firewall box).
I'll link to a picture of my rack that sits in my living room if you like.
Oh, BTW, PC = personal computer. Windows, Mac, they are all PC's. And in my experience (not saying you are doing this), but 'being disgusted' at the site of a machine tends to be caused by fanboy-ism and not any real established facts or experience.
For the record, I'm typing this on a windows 7 box, chatting on IRC on my hackintosh, and my servers all run Linux/FreeBSD.
Yes IM awarre of PC is peronal computer, and thats always thrown me off. Microsoft calls Windows computers PC's, and Apple never calls there computers PC's, so, yaeh. Anyways... I actually use the '98 computer as an arcade machine. I actually did build a cabinet for it:D And finally, its nice to see another person using more then 2 OS's. My laptop is a tri-boot......
1. Well of course a host is going to limit your player slots, you get the hardware you pay for, or maybe you expect 100 slots for $5 a month? Also hosting on your own computer is "limited" because having too many players online will lag your internet connection, or fry your comp from being overloaded with RAM. You also can't have your server on 24/7 unless you want to pay a lot extra for your electricity bills.
2. Again, kind of a pointless thing to say, when there are zillions of hosts that give you SSH/FTP access, and allow you to upload any server software you want.
It would apear i have started a debate. EXCELLENT.
Yes IM awarre of PC is peronal computer, and thats always thrown me off. Microsoft calls Windows computers PC's, and Apple never calls there computers PC's, so, yaeh. Anyways... I actually use the '98 computer as an arcade machine. I actually did build a cabinet for it:D And finally, its nice to see another person using more then 2 OS's. My laptop is a tri-boot......
Ah, a mame cab? Nice! That's also one of my long term plans is to either build one or referb a gauntlet cab for it.
Once I have the space and spare cash for it, that is.
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1. Well of course a host is going to limit your player slots, you get the hardware you pay for, or maybe you expect 100 slots for $5 a month? Also hosting on your own computer is "limited" because having too many players online will lag your internet connection, or fry your comp from being overloaded with RAM. You also can't have your server on 24/7 unless you want to pay a lot extra for your electricity bills.
2. Again, kind of a pointless thing to say, when there are zillions of hosts that give you SSH/FTP access, and allow you to upload any server software you want.
Nah, you have complete control over your server even if you are using a half-decent host.
I offer up that there are hosts that are "half-decent" that do not give you the same amount of control as running the server on a local machine. Limiting a server to a number of players allowed on a server at the same time is nothing more a money thing, memory is not necessary the limiting factor.
Assume a server that is "30 slots" is allocated 2 gig of RAM (just go with it, I know it's not an accurate figure). What happens when you load that server down with a lot of memory hungry plugins? If 30 players jump on, the system has a much high chance to run out of memory than one that has more efficient, or less, plugins.
Yes, having players on your server will take some of your bandwidth on a self hosted server. Properly set up quality of service rules on the CPE will help, but not fully eliminate it. I don't see me debating this fact in my reply.
And huh?
"fry your comp from being overloaded with RAM" and "You also can't have your server on 24/7 unless you want to pay a lot extra for your electricity bills"? I don't know what kind of hardware you have been dealing with, but my server is running 24/7, consists of non-ancient hardware, and the entire rack uses less power than my old television or my gamer dork machine. I have never seen a machine "fry" from attempting to over-commit it's memory, that's what swap files/partition are for, and OOM process killers.
All I can think of is that your experience with hardware is with bottom of the barrel cheap quality kit. I may be wrong, but making statements like that do not make one sound like they know what they are talking about or have experience with the topic at hand.
2: Not pointless. There may be lots of hosts out there that offer access like that, but there are just as many that limit what you can upload to the server, many of which are highly rated and a "half-decent" decent host (as you put it).
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Ah, a mame cab? Nice! That's also one of my long term plans is to either build one or referb a gauntlet cab for it.
Once I have the space and spare cash for it, that is.
Well its actually not a MAME cab, I havent properly configured the software. There is a n64 emulator set to start on boot right now. the whole project only cost me around 60 bucks! I had a lot of stuff left over from old PC's (Moniter, speakers, etc.)
because u are discussing anything said on this forum, and are wrong +1
(i am now awaiting your offended (or overly serious) reaction to me, because you seem to be offended by any post anyone makes on this forum)
Well you actually didnt really offend me (i was really tired then) and how do i seem offended by anybody else?
I really dont see why you are being like this, but my apologies if I am bugging you. i was actually just trying to be nice and have a discussion. Well anyways, sorry for being that way. (though i dont think i was)
1. Well of course a host is going to limit your player slots, you get the hardware you pay for, or maybe you expect 100 slots for $5 a month? Also hosting on your own computer is "limited" because having too many players online will lag your internet connection, or fry your comp from being overloaded with RAM. You also can't have your server on 24/7 unless you want to pay a lot extra for your electricity bills.
2. Again, kind of a pointless thing to say, when there are zillions of hosts that give you SSH/FTP access, and allow you to upload any server software you want.
1. Well of course a host is going to limit your player slots, you get the hardware you pay for, or maybe you expect 100 slots for $5 a month? Also hosting on your own computer is "limited" because having too many players online will lag your internet connection, or fry your comp from being overloaded with RAM. You also can't have your server on 24/7 unless you want to pay a lot extra for your electricity bills.
2. Again, kind of a pointless thing to say, when there are zillions of hosts that give you SSH/FTP access, and allow you to upload any server software you want.
1. Why do people always bring up the electricity bill argument? Our bill last month was $719 @ 20cents a kilowatthour. My server has a 305 watt PSU. But in reality I doubt it can use more than 120Watts (room for expansion :)). 120*24 = 2880 * 30 = 86400. 86.4kWH = $17.28 a month (half of that if you live in America where power is cheaper).
2. Indeed there are. You have to step out of the norm (which is overpriced hosts like BeastNode) towards real hosts which provide VPSes with SSH, SFTP (FTP is unsecure) and the ability to install what you need (Apache for websites, MySQL for DBs, Vent for voice, etc).
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Better hardware but still "crap"... Riiiight....
To each their own I guess (not interested in starting a debate over the merits of one OS or computer design over another, it's off topic for the forum).
No really, I simply am disgusted at the mere sight of a mac. To give you an example of my PC dedication, I have 10 in my house that all work, and I still use a lot of them. My oldest was purchased 14 years ago... to you junk, to me reliable. Windows 98 FTW!
Okay, turbo-nerd mode is over. Back to normal.
i havent played minecraft in like 4 years lol
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I'll link to a picture of my rack that sits in my living room if you like.
Oh, BTW, PC = personal computer. Windows, Mac, they are all PC's. And in my experience (not saying you are doing this), but 'being disgusted' at the site of a machine tends to be caused by fanboy-ism and not any real established facts or experience.
For the record, I'm typing this on a windows 7 box, chatting on IRC on my hackintosh, and my servers all run Linux/FreeBSD.
Well you kind of just offended me because I have spent a long time dwelling over the mac vs. pc thing. However, in MY experience, all macs I have used have had better hardware. Seriously, I thought that was kind of a fact, but im not going to deny that the main argument is about the OS.
Yes IM awarre of PC is peronal computer, and thats always thrown me off.
i havent played minecraft in like 4 years lol
It would apear i have started a debate. EXCELLENT.
i havent played minecraft in like 4 years lol
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Curse Premium1: You miss the point. Your post:
I offer up that there are hosts that are "half-decent" that do not give you the same amount of control as running the server on a local machine. Limiting a server to a number of players allowed on a server at the same time is nothing more a money thing, memory is not necessary the limiting factor.
Assume a server that is "30 slots" is allocated 2 gig of RAM (just go with it, I know it's not an accurate figure). What happens when you load that server down with a lot of memory hungry plugins? If 30 players jump on, the system has a much high chance to run out of memory than one that has more efficient, or less, plugins.
Yes, having players on your server will take some of your bandwidth on a self hosted server. Properly set up quality of service rules on the CPE will help, but not fully eliminate it. I don't see me debating this fact in my reply.
And huh?
"fry your comp from being overloaded with RAM" and "You also can't have your server on 24/7 unless you want to pay a lot extra for your electricity bills"? I don't know what kind of hardware you have been dealing with, but my server is running 24/7, consists of non-ancient hardware, and the entire rack uses less power than my old television or my gamer dork machine. I have never seen a machine "fry" from attempting to over-commit it's memory, that's what swap files/partition are for, and OOM process killers.
All I can think of is that your experience with hardware is with bottom of the barrel cheap quality kit. I may be wrong, but making statements like that do not make one sound like they know what they are talking about or have experience with the topic at hand.
2: Not pointless. There may be lots of hosts out there that offer access like that, but there are just as many that limit what you can upload to the server, many of which are highly rated and a "half-decent" decent host (as you put it).
I do this stuff
How am I being a b****? I just made a point... I m getting my comp fixed this week.
Well its actually not a MAME cab, I havent properly configured the software. There is a n64 emulator set to start on boot right now. the whole project only cost me around 60 bucks! I had a lot of stuff left over from old PC's (Moniter, speakers, etc.)
i havent played minecraft in like 4 years lol
Well you actually didnt really offend me (i was really tired then) and how do i seem offended by anybody else?
I really dont see why you are being like this, but my apologies if I am bugging you. i was actually just trying to be nice and have a discussion. Well anyways, sorry for being that way. (though i dont think i was)
i havent played minecraft in like 4 years lol
1. Why do people always bring up the electricity bill argument? Our bill last month was $719 @ 20cents a kilowatthour. My server has a 305 watt PSU. But in reality I doubt it can use more than 120Watts (room for expansion :)). 120*24 = 2880 * 30 = 86400. 86.4kWH = $17.28 a month (half of that if you live in America where power is cheaper).
2. Indeed there are. You have to step out of the norm (which is overpriced hosts like BeastNode) towards real hosts which provide VPSes with SSH, SFTP (FTP is unsecure) and the ability to install what you need (Apache for websites, MySQL for DBs, Vent for voice, etc).