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Do you have any idea how to get minecraft to run on your video card if you only have one card?
Minecraft, for whatever reason, will run off your integrated graphics card instead of the Nvidia card. It's easy to fix this Right click on desktop and click "Nvidia control panel" It will literally shoot up from 2 to 200 FPS.
That option only applies to people with 2 video cards. There is no option for it on my computer with only Nvidia card. I'm fairly sure I have non-board GPU, so I think minecraft is only pulling off my CPU. That would explain why I'm getting less fps in minecraft run with nearly nothing in the background while I can run 4 copies of Diablo 3 (muleing) and get better FPS there.
There is a very minimal difference in fps for me between a clean new vanilla install and the heavily modded version. (roughly 30 mods)
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Check either programs and features or all programs depending on your os (not sure what it is in mac, sorry) but you are looking for how many versions of Java you have installed. if it's more than 1 or maybe 2 (one 32 bit and or one 64 bit) get rid of all of them, then go to the java website and get the newest version. Doing this doubled my fps, but I had 11 versions so I think one or more of the older versions was conflicting and slowing down minecraft. I am using only the most current (as of 30 min ago from this post) and it is working beautifully.
Hey sorry guys for being VERY late on responses, but I don't play minecraft nearly as much as I used to, and when I do I play on the Xbox version.
@insomniac_lemon : No idea what could be causing that. Try playing minecraft with task manager open, check if there's any difference between memory size or cpu load of javaw.exe in the processes list.
@xKDx35 : Sorry man, that's all I got. If you have a really old computer your only solution may be to upgrade to a new computer or some new parts.
@Skavies : Check the task manager to see if minecraft is pulling excessive cpu, if it is then minecraft isn't running on your gpu and we'll need to find a way to fix that.
@MasterFenrir : Try what Scavies said, while having 2 javas may be convenient it can really mess up minecraft.
@Skavies : Check the task manager to see if minecraft is pulling excessive cpu, if it is then minecraft isn't running on your gpu and we'll need to find a way to fix that.
Ok... I checked task manager on my mormal ssp world with 29 mods loaded, in the end but with 2 world anchors, one near a 64x64 quarry in the ocean, and one by a roughly 500 redstone engine power plant... Got a whopping 58% average cpu use for java. I wasn't supprised. 45ish fps. View distance far, particles reduced, rest of the video settings fancy for looks. (the advanced open gl has no effect regardless of setting)-yes I have optifine as one of the mods here.
I made a clean install of minecraft leaving it vanilla, started a creative superflat world and spawned near 4 chickens, no villages in sight. 30% cpu use for java, 50ish fps. video settings default for clean install. -no optifine, it was pure vanilla.
both were being run on a 2 gig ram drive (yes ram drive, not the solid state, I know the difference).
The cpu is a Phenom 2 quad core 3.1 ghz amd processor. video card is a nvidia gtx560ti. I have 10 gb total memory between video card and system ram, -2 for the ram drive.
My version of java is the 64 bit newest version as of 30 hours ago, clean install.
Particle effects is the single video setting that affects my fps the most, even more than view distance-tiny vs far is less of an impact than no particles vs full.
@insomniac_lemon : No idea what could be causing that. Try playing minecraft with task manager open, check if there's any difference between memory size or cpu load of javaw.exe in the processes list.
i wouldn't know how to solve it if it did. Little has changed with my computer and windows before this problem has started occurring, and I'm not sure what causes it.
I've found a solution, though. I switched to Linux. On Ubuntu with Minecraft, I get 100-400 FPS in SSP, and higher in SMP, and no mysterious random lag.
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It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
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My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
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EDIT: Updated the driver, FPS skyrocketed to 100 and no more block lag!!
UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS GUYS
Today I opened Minecraft and went into my SSP world, and while building something, only in certain areas, it placed double and sometimes triple the blocks than I right-clicked for. Any block update causes a FPS drop to 3 FPS from 60 FPS. Removing or placing water/blocks in water causes the drop. Any major change in lighting, FPS drop. Running Minecraft 1.3 Pre 1, also had the same problem on 1.2.5. I can run MW2 at a solid 60FPS at Medium settings with no lag spikes at all. Same with TF2 and even Skyrim.
Running on a Gateway NV57H22u laptop.
I have an Intel i3 2nd Gen @ 2.20Ghz, 4GB RAM, Intel Graphics HD 3000 using Java 7 Update 5, latest version LWGJL, but possibly an older graphics driver.
Didn't have this problem until today and I have NO clue as to why.
EDIT: Updated the driver, FPS skyrocketed to 100 and no more block lag!!
UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS GUYS
Today I opened Minecraft and went into my SSP world, and while building something, only in certain areas, it placed double and sometimes triple the blocks than I right-clicked for. Any block update causes a FPS drop to 3 FPS from 60 FPS. Removing or placing water/blocks in water causes the drop. Any major change in lighting, FPS drop. Running Minecraft 1.3 Pre 1, also had the same problem on 1.2.5. I can run MW2 at a solid 60FPS at Medium settings with no lag spikes at all. Same with TF2 and even Skyrim.
Running on a Gateway NV57H22u laptop.
I have an Intel i3 2nd Gen @ 2.20Ghz, 4GB RAM, Intel Graphics HD 3000 using Java 7 Update 5, latest version LWGJL, but possibly an older graphics driver.
Didn't have this problem until today and I have NO clue as to why.
hmm well back before i got minecraft i played the old version and i lagged to like 1-0 fps then i set java to high priority and ran smooth
Hi thanks for the guide, it's really helpful. Unfortunately my problems are not yet solved.
I just bought a brand-new laptop. It's an Asus, it's got an intel i7 processor, 6 Gigs of RAM, windows 7 64-bit, and a GeForce GT630M with 2 GB. I can play Minecraft for about a minute and then it starts lagging extremely and occasionally it freezes as well.
I've got the latest version of Java, I always play on full screen. I apparently don't have a javaw.exe. I haven't tried if it works for Minecraft but I don't want to set windows to best performance, because then it gets all windows 98 on my ass, and ''run with graphics processor'' doesn't do anything for me either.
Please help! How do I get Minecraft to run normally, because I should be able to on this laptop, shouldn't I?
Try getting an error report (yes, I know you are not getting an error, but an error report will give us a general idea of what is going on, regardless of you actually getting an error), please don't post the error report here or you will be going OFF-TOPIC, post it in this thread, or start a new thread in this forum and post it there.
@Skavies : Have you tried updating video drivers? I've been looking into it and many people have had these problems solved by updating drivers.
@insomniac_lemon : While your computer has changed only a little minecraft has changed a lot. Try updating your drivers if you haven't already. Ubuntu uses different drivers (obviously) so it's likely the driver messing with you.
@CraftNinja2011: I do have that it's in... Possible screen size... I should rename that.
@Skavies : Have you tried updating video drivers? I've been looking into it and many people have had these problems solved by updating drivers.
Actually I found my problem, and it's not covered in your very extensive and extreemly helpful guide.
Short answer: I had 11 versions of Java installed.
Long answer:
After doing everything on your list, several of them twice, I started looking around for other problems in fps loss in java games for high end computers. Around the time I found the info That canadian guy from your guide talks about games that get 30+ fps in high end games, but 2 fps in minecraft, I came accrost a responce that said to uninstall the 32 bit version of java if you want to play minecraft with a 64 bit java. So I go to uninstall my 32 bit version and see 11 different builds of java installed, beat my self in the head a few times with what I call "My stupid book" which is typically an unabridged dictionary, or the A from an encyclopedia, or any other large heavy hard back book. I do this when I do something stupid, and over time, it's helped me to reduce the number of stupid things I do. Anyway, I just uninstalled ALL versions of java, forced myself into a 64 bit version of windows explorer and got the newest java (again) but this time without all the previous versions conflicting. That fixed my problem completly.
So for people with older high end computers and this problem, check to see how many versions of java are installed. If it's more than 1, get rid of ALL of them and do a clean install of the newest recommended version.
@Skavies : Have you tried updating video drivers? I've been looking into it and many people have had these problems solved by updating drivers.
@insomniac_lemon : While your computer has changed only a little minecraft has changed a lot. Try updating your drivers if you haven't already. Ubuntu uses different drivers (obviously) so it's likely the driver messing with you.
@CraftNinja2011: I do have that it's in... Possible screen size... I should rename that.
Do you have any advice for me? What could I do to solve my problem?
Just click the link I provided (getting an error report).
Right, I completely missed that link, sorry
Only it won't work because my minecraft only rarely actually crashes, the framerate just gets reduced to <10 fps
Right, I completely missed that link, sorry
Only it won't work because my minecraft only rarely actually crashes, the framerate just gets reduced to <10 fps
btw, I followed that link for updating my graphics card driver from your thread and I downloaded the new driver but when it was downloaded and the setup started it said that it ''could not find compatible graphics hardware'' even though I'm sure I selected the right graphics card from the list. What's this about?
Can someone help me here? I'm trying to get a boost in FPS and maybe make chunks load faster.
I've gone and ran Minecraft through a .bat file that supposedly allows Minecraft to run with more memory. 2 GB, to be exact. So why is it that when I play Minecraft and open the F3 menu, I see that while the game acknowledges that it has 2 GB available to use, it caps out at 600 MB. I've tried tinkering with making Java itself use 2 GB but that's not working, either. I've also tried to make Minecraft run with my GPU, no noticeable difference; I assume that was a non-issue. Why won't Minecraft run with 2 GB like I told it to? Or rather, why isn't it USING the 2 GB, and how can I make it?
Why won't Minecraft run with 2 GB like I told it to? Or rather, why isn't it USING the 2 GB, and how can I make it?
I can't answer the whole thing, but forcing it to use more memory than it's taking will not help at all, infact it will reduce fps. Let me explain.
The memory is holding information, like what blocks to show and where they are, plus thousand of details. This means at your view range and settings, it takes 600 mb of the 2 gig you allocated to hold all that information. Now, you can get it to hold more information by say leaving world anchors all over the place so more chunks are loaded into memory, but that only means there's more for the computer to check each cycle so it takes longer.
Now if you were at or near 100% memory useage, then allocting more memory will help with fps since instead of using the much faster memory, it will have to make do with storing memory on the hard drive.and access time to the hard drive is hundreds of times slower than accesssing stuff in memory.
In your case, more memory is not the answer.
You could try running minecraft from a ram drive. From my experience (and I do use a ram drive myself) this has no effect on fps directly, but chunk loading which is normally done from the hard drive is instead loaded from memory making that part at least nearly instantaneous and eliminating the fps slow down when chunks are being loaded.
Uh, wow. Thank you so much! I never thought of it that way, and I'm running Minecraft inside a ram drive. I do still get the occasional lag spike, but I've noticed that Minecraft can pass 60 FPS now, and rarely ever goes under 30 FPS. That is... absolutely acceptable! The FPS is significantly more stable now, thank you!
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Forgot this part, but if you go into video options and find the settigns for particles and chang it from all to reduced, you won't see any difference, but the rest of the lag spikes should dissappear, outside of multiple explosions....
That option only applies to people with 2 video cards. There is no option for it on my computer with only Nvidia card. I'm fairly sure I have non-board GPU, so I think minecraft is only pulling off my CPU. That would explain why I'm getting less fps in minecraft run with nearly nothing in the background while I can run 4 copies of Diablo 3 (muleing) and get better FPS there.
There is a very minimal difference in fps for me between a clean new vanilla install and the heavily modded version. (roughly 30 mods)
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Retired Staff@insomniac_lemon : No idea what could be causing that. Try playing minecraft with task manager open, check if there's any difference between memory size or cpu load of javaw.exe in the processes list.
@xKDx35 : Sorry man, that's all I got. If you have a really old computer your only solution may be to upgrade to a new computer or some new parts.
@Skavies : Check the task manager to see if minecraft is pulling excessive cpu, if it is then minecraft isn't running on your gpu and we'll need to find a way to fix that.
@MasterFenrir : Try what Scavies said, while having 2 javas may be convenient it can really mess up minecraft.
Ok... I checked task manager on my mormal ssp world with 29 mods loaded, in the end but with 2 world anchors, one near a 64x64 quarry in the ocean, and one by a roughly 500 redstone engine power plant... Got a whopping 58% average cpu use for java. I wasn't supprised. 45ish fps. View distance far, particles reduced, rest of the video settings fancy for looks. (the advanced open gl has no effect regardless of setting)-yes I have optifine as one of the mods here.
I made a clean install of minecraft leaving it vanilla, started a creative superflat world and spawned near 4 chickens, no villages in sight. 30% cpu use for java, 50ish fps. video settings default for clean install. -no optifine, it was pure vanilla.
both were being run on a 2 gig ram drive (yes ram drive, not the solid state, I know the difference).
The cpu is a Phenom 2 quad core 3.1 ghz amd processor. video card is a nvidia gtx560ti. I have 10 gb total memory between video card and system ram, -2 for the ram drive.
My version of java is the 64 bit newest version as of 30 hours ago, clean install.
Particle effects is the single video setting that affects my fps the most, even more than view distance-tiny vs far is less of an impact than no particles vs full.
I am running minecraft 1.2.5
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Retired Staffi wouldn't know how to solve it if it did. Little has changed with my computer and windows before this problem has started occurring, and I'm not sure what causes it.
I've found a solution, though. I switched to Linux. On Ubuntu with Minecraft, I get 100-400 FPS in SSP, and higher in SMP, and no mysterious random lag.
So, problem solved, sort of.
"I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly.
It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin
UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS GUYS
Today I opened Minecraft and went into my SSP world, and while building something, only in certain areas, it placed double and sometimes triple the blocks than I right-clicked for. Any block update causes a FPS drop to 3 FPS from 60 FPS. Removing or placing water/blocks in water causes the drop. Any major change in lighting, FPS drop. Running Minecraft 1.3 Pre 1, also had the same problem on 1.2.5. I can run MW2 at a solid 60FPS at Medium settings with no lag spikes at all. Same with TF2 and even Skyrim.
Running on a Gateway NV57H22u laptop.
I have an Intel i3 2nd Gen @ 2.20Ghz, 4GB RAM, Intel Graphics HD 3000 using Java 7 Update 5, latest version LWGJL, but possibly an older graphics driver.
Didn't have this problem until today and I have NO clue as to why.
hmm well back before i got minecraft i played the old version and i lagged to like 1-0 fps then i set java to high priority and ran smooth
I just bought a brand-new laptop. It's an Asus, it's got an intel i7 processor, 6 Gigs of RAM, windows 7 64-bit, and a GeForce GT630M with 2 GB. I can play Minecraft for about a minute and then it starts lagging extremely and occasionally it freezes as well.
I've got the latest version of Java, I always play on full screen. I apparently don't have a javaw.exe. I haven't tried if it works for Minecraft but I don't want to set windows to best performance, because then it gets all windows 98 on my ass, and ''run with graphics processor'' doesn't do anything for me either.
Please help! How do I get Minecraft to run normally, because I should be able to on this laptop, shouldn't I?
How do I get an error report then? :S
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Retired Staff@insomniac_lemon : While your computer has changed only a little minecraft has changed a lot. Try updating your drivers if you haven't already. Ubuntu uses different drivers (obviously) so it's likely the driver messing with you.
@CraftNinja2011: I do have that it's in... Possible screen size... I should rename that.
Actually I found my problem, and it's not covered in your very extensive and extreemly helpful guide.
Short answer: I had 11 versions of Java installed.
Long answer:
So for people with older high end computers and this problem, check to see how many versions of java are installed. If it's more than 1, get rid of ALL of them and do a clean install of the newest recommended version.
Do you have any advice for me? What could I do to solve my problem?
Right, I completely missed that link, sorry
Only it won't work because my minecraft only rarely actually crashes, the framerate just gets reduced to <10 fps
btw, I followed that link for updating my graphics card driver from your thread and I downloaded the new driver but when it was downloaded and the setup started it said that it ''could not find compatible graphics hardware'' even though I'm sure I selected the right graphics card from the list. What's this about?
I've gone and ran Minecraft through a .bat file that supposedly allows Minecraft to run with more memory. 2 GB, to be exact. So why is it that when I play Minecraft and open the F3 menu, I see that while the game acknowledges that it has 2 GB available to use, it caps out at 600 MB. I've tried tinkering with making Java itself use 2 GB but that's not working, either. I've also tried to make Minecraft run with my GPU, no noticeable difference; I assume that was a non-issue. Why won't Minecraft run with 2 GB like I told it to? Or rather, why isn't it USING the 2 GB, and how can I make it?
Anyone with any insight as to how I can fix this?
I can't answer the whole thing, but forcing it to use more memory than it's taking will not help at all, infact it will reduce fps. Let me explain.
The memory is holding information, like what blocks to show and where they are, plus thousand of details. This means at your view range and settings, it takes 600 mb of the 2 gig you allocated to hold all that information. Now, you can get it to hold more information by say leaving world anchors all over the place so more chunks are loaded into memory, but that only means there's more for the computer to check each cycle so it takes longer.
Now if you were at or near 100% memory useage, then allocting more memory will help with fps since instead of using the much faster memory, it will have to make do with storing memory on the hard drive.and access time to the hard drive is hundreds of times slower than accesssing stuff in memory.
In your case, more memory is not the answer.
You could try running minecraft from a ram drive. From my experience (and I do use a ram drive myself) this has no effect on fps directly, but chunk loading which is normally done from the hard drive is instead loaded from memory making that part at least nearly instantaneous and eliminating the fps slow down when chunks are being loaded.
Here's the link to the directions I followed when setting up my ram drive. http://www.bwana.tv/forums/index.php?threads/minecraft-running-slow-try-ramdisk.41183/
what? how am I doomed? What's OEM?