Think about this: Notch is a MILLIONAIRE right now, all because he knew some java and coded minecraft. Sure you can go to college and learn java and all that, but really, you can learn as much java as you need to make something right from the internet. ****, I learned how to do some basic modding (i.e., making a block, crafting/furnace recipes, making a toolset, making a new ore, making a block generate) in less than a week, all from online tutorials.
Notch also already knew how to use java, and had years of experience working for others before starting minecraft. Where will the money come from while you're learning?
Please tell me what you think. Do you think it's highly unlikely to make a living off of youtube?
That one guy you talk about made $100k? How many users on youtube aren't making that much? Don't expect to get enough out of it to make that full time. Even if you somehow made this your full time job, what would you do when you run out of videos to make? Who would accept someone who only has 'youtube video maker guy' on his resume/CV?
I agree that college isn't absolutely required for everything, but it could be better than learning by yourself(depending on who your instructor is for example). But I'd even say that in some cases, learning something by yourself would be better than getting a degree; you're not spending time and money on unrelated courses, and there's no bureaucratic crap that goes with going to a large school. You can learn at your own pace, and find out what your really need to know for the job you're trying to get.(anyone want to hire a FORTRAN developer? I think not :laugh.gif: )
The only problem with learning by yourself is proving to others that you know what you're doing. It'll take more work to get hired somewhere than if you could just show a degree from somewhere, so it kinda evens out with college I guess. :sad.gif:
In today's world with the job market flooded with degrees its hard to say...
Most companies want a degree, but if you go and spend the fortune to get one you're likely to end up flipping burgers at a fast food joint.
Notch also already knew how to use java, and had years of experience working for others before starting minecraft. Where will the money come from while you're learning?
That one guy you talk about made $100k? How many users on youtube aren't making that much? Don't expect to get enough out of it to make that full time. Even if you somehow made this your full time job, what would you do when you run out of videos to make? Who would accept someone who only has 'youtube video maker guy' on his resume/CV?
I agree that college isn't absolutely required for everything, but it could be better than learning by yourself(depending on who your instructor is for example). But I'd even say that in some cases, learning something by yourself would be better than getting a degree; you're not spending time and money on unrelated courses, and there's no bureaucratic crap that goes with going to a large school. You can learn at your own pace, and find out what your really need to know for the job you're trying to get.(anyone want to hire a FORTRAN developer? I think not :laugh.gif: )
The only problem with learning by yourself is proving to others that you know what you're doing. It'll take more work to get hired somewhere than if you could just show a degree from somewhere, so it kinda evens out with college I guess. :sad.gif:
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this... :laugh.gif:
Yes I know notch has years of experience, but it doesn't require a college education. It's not like I'm getting kicked out of the house at 18, I have a few years to gain experience like that. Now I'm not saying I'd ever make the next minecraft or anything, but learning java doesn't require college by any means, and to make money from it only requires a creative idea.
As for the youtube, I said he had 100k subscribers and it was now his full time job, not that he was making $100k. And as for the things I'm interested in (primarily computer related things) college just doesn't feel necessary for me. I don't want to be a doctor or an engineer or something that requires that much college anyway. I'm planning to go into animation or something more on the "creative side" of careers. You can't go to college to learn creativity, therefore I feel like careers in the creative field just need an understanding of what you're doing (i.e., know how to use 3DS Max so you can animate) but taking a course teaching me how to use some programs isn't worth the loads of money being thrown away on college.
And yeah, like I said, I feel like with the internet and even online college courses, really going to a university would just seem like a waste of money to do, considering just about anything can be learned from the internet. Some may consider it harder without a physical instructor, but I'm not that type of person. I'm the type of person who reads the examples in the math book and learns how to do the homework than listen to the teacher explain it to me.
But here's the thing. When somebody is looking to hire somebody, they don't have a heart to heart conversation with them. They basically want a quick way to determine whether they meet the qualifications they are looking for. That is what degrees certificates are for. a Computer Science degree, for example, proves that "this person finished this course". It doesn't prove they know the subject, but it shows something.
Personally, I think they are kind of valueless, but at the same time I think I'm biassed against them both because I don't have one and also because I know a lot of stupid people who have one. A lot of job positions have hundreds, if not thousands of applicants; as I noted, the employer simply doesn't have time to go poring over their life history or how they have a passion for what they do or any of that. And truly, they probably spend more time looking at what has been done than they do to any certifications or degrees, so complaints to that accord are somewhat misguided.
Myself, I manage to make a living doing freelance software development, and I don't have a degree. My certifications come on the form of satisfied former customers who are so impressed with my product that they will actually go out of their way to give me a distribution framework to sell the product to others who might be interested.
Also, regarding, in particular, Computer Science degrees.
Let's just say that professors that Teach Computer Science only do so because they couldn't get a job elsewhere, or because they are "academic"; in that sense, a lot of what you learn in Computer Science is purely irrelevant to creating applications. of course you will learn a lot of things and if you retain it you might think one day about a problem and go "I know, I'll use a Red-Black tree to store that data structure" but, to be absolutely fair, you can learn all this stuff without going to college/university. Education doesn't require you to go to a particular building anymore than being religious does, it just "formalizes" it.
College isnt worth it if you're gonna build up tons and tons of debt, if you're gonna get debt, make sure you're getting a degree that at least has the potential to get you a job were you could pay back those loans, dont build up lots of debt for an English major.
Notch also already knew how to use java, and had years of experience working for others before starting minecraft. Where will the money come from while you're learning?
That one guy you talk about made $100k? How many users on youtube aren't making that much? Don't expect to get enough out of it to make that full time. Even if you somehow made this your full time job, what would you do when you run out of videos to make? Who would accept someone who only has 'youtube video maker guy' on his resume/CV?
I agree that college isn't absolutely required for everything, but it could be better than learning by yourself(depending on who your instructor is for example). But I'd even say that in some cases, learning something by yourself would be better than getting a degree; you're not spending time and money on unrelated courses, and there's no bureaucratic crap that goes with going to a large school. You can learn at your own pace, and find out what your really need to know for the job you're trying to get.(anyone want to hire a FORTRAN developer? I think not :laugh.gif: )
The only problem with learning by yourself is proving to others that you know what you're doing. It'll take more work to get hired somewhere than if you could just show a degree from somewhere, so it kinda evens out with college I guess. :sad.gif:
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this... :laugh.gif:
Yes I know notch has years of experience, but it doesn't require a college education. It's not like I'm getting kicked out of the house at 18, I have a few years to gain experience like that. Now I'm not saying I'd ever make the next minecraft or anything, but learning java doesn't require college by any means, and to make money from it only requires a creative idea.
As for the youtube, I said he had 100k subscribers and it was now his full time job, not that he was making $100k. And as for the things I'm interested in (primarily computer related things) college just doesn't feel necessary for me. I don't want to be a doctor or an engineer or something that requires that much college anyway. I'm planning to go into animation or something more on the "creative side" of careers. You can't go to college to learn creativity, therefore I feel like careers in the creative field just need an understanding of what you're doing (i.e., know how to use 3DS Max so you can animate) but taking a course teaching me how to use some programs isn't worth the loads of money being thrown away on college.
And yeah, like I said, I feel like with the internet and even online college courses, really going to a university would just seem like a waste of money to do, considering just about anything can be learned from the internet. Some may consider it harder without a physical instructor, but I'm not that type of person. I'm the type of person who reads the examples in the math book and learns how to do the homework than listen to the teacher explain it to me.
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Curse PremiumBut here's the thing. When somebody is looking to hire somebody, they don't have a heart to heart conversation with them. They basically want a quick way to determine whether they meet the qualifications they are looking for. That is what degrees certificates are for. a Computer Science degree, for example, proves that "this person finished this course". It doesn't prove they know the subject, but it shows something.
Personally, I think they are kind of valueless, but at the same time I think I'm biassed against them both because I don't have one and also because I know a lot of stupid people who have one. A lot of job positions have hundreds, if not thousands of applicants; as I noted, the employer simply doesn't have time to go poring over their life history or how they have a passion for what they do or any of that. And truly, they probably spend more time looking at what has been done than they do to any certifications or degrees, so complaints to that accord are somewhat misguided.
Myself, I manage to make a living doing freelance software development, and I don't have a degree. My certifications come on the form of satisfied former customers who are so impressed with my product that they will actually go out of their way to give me a distribution framework to sell the product to others who might be interested.
Also, regarding, in particular, Computer Science degrees.
Let's just say that professors that Teach Computer Science only do so because they couldn't get a job elsewhere, or because they are "academic"; in that sense, a lot of what you learn in Computer Science is purely irrelevant to creating applications. of course you will learn a lot of things and if you retain it you might think one day about a problem and go "I know, I'll use a Red-Black tree to store that data structure" but, to be absolutely fair, you can learn all this stuff without going to college/university. Education doesn't require you to go to a particular building anymore than being religious does, it just "formalizes" it.
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Curse PremiumAs someone going for a CS degree. ****.
College isnt worth it if you're gonna build up tons and tons of debt, if you're gonna get debt, make sure you're getting a degree that at least has the potential to get you a job were you could pay back those loans, dont build up lots of debt for an English major.
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