This is a very common subject on these forums, I come here about once a month, and there always seems to be a thread on this... Anyway, I'll attempt to clear up some misconceptions.
This is basicly the question of life. How do you think you got on this world you are on today?
It kinda makes you feel pointless if you think you were formed or something...doesn't it?
So, please comment on what you think. are we a chance?
The Big Bang has no connections to the creation of life, or life at all. Nor does Evolution. The current theory for the 'creation' of life is called Abiogenesis
Also, how is there no proof of the big bang theory? There's plenty of proof, you just don't see it right in front of you. Did you almost the entire 'universe' is moving away from one certain point? If I remember correctly, I think there's also a enormous black hole there, too. I'm not sure if I got a minor detail off on explaining this or that, but I have a better understanding then most.
I hope you don't mind my using some shameless copying from a past post. But I'm far too lazy to write up an entirely new response.
There isn't a center of the Universe. My favorite analogy is Raisin bread. When you roll the dough, it is compact with all the raisins close together. When you put it in the oven, and it rises, they all move apart. But there isn't a single point of expansion. You can pick any of the raisins and the bread itself seems to be expanding from that one point. Pick another one, same thing. Any point you choose is the center. This is the same with the Universe. If you pick any point, everything seems to be moving away from it.
We know that it's moving by its 'Redshift.' When something is moving toward you, it appears blue because the wavelength is being shortened. When something is moving away from you, it appears red because the wavelength is being lengthened. But this is a different subject. By telling how long or short the wavelength is we can figure out how fast it is moving away or towards from us. This can be done by taking a spectra of the galaxy in question.
It's really, really important that people understand that this is not the end-all and be-all answer to the creation of the Universe, but merely our current understanding. The Big Bang is not an entire answer. We may never have the complete answer. But there is no reason trying not to answer the 'Ultimate Question.'
One last thing, at some point, someone is going to bring up the fact that it was an "explosion." I'll address that when they do. But for the time being I'll just say don't even bother, and read up on it. Because that is probably the most ignorant argument against the Big Bang.
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
The Universe is cool enough without making up crap about it - Phil Plait
Well, yes. It's better than to believe a person from above created a mass of earth in a day and inhabited it with living organisms over the course of 7 days.
Well, yes. It's better than to believe a person from above created a mass of earth in a day and inhabited it with living organisms over the course of 7 days.
It was 6. And then he got worn out and had to reset.
Good joke...
Sunday is the day of peace and rest and therefore according to the bible and that right there should be the last day of the week on the calender but its the first. Does anyone knwo why this is?>
Some-what. Do we have any actual legit proof? Well, some say that we do, but think about this: Have we actually been able to look at one, research it, and not just theorize and say that it's right? Exactly. We haven't actually had the time or technology, to research it. We probably never will, either.
I have a fetish for women. Is this odd? Is there something wrong with me? It’s really bad, too. Like, everyone time one of them walks by, I do a sly little chest-rear ogle. I can’t stop myself! It’s like a disease!
I never put much importance in the big bang theory. I guess I believe it, but don't see any importance in it. It doesn't do anything with religion - If I was God, I'd want to start things with a bang. All of the theories about dark matter and recurring cycles that have no beginning never interested me. As soon as science discoveres a something practical from the big bang, I might start to learn them, but until then, I just go on my way as if God a wizard did it.
Good joke...
Sunday is the day of peace and rest and therefore according to the bible and that right there should be the last day of the week on the calender but its the first. Does anyone knwo why this is?>
Because saturday is the actual sabbath.
No idea how sunday got tied to it.
I believe the scientific view of how life started had to do with a strike of plasma bringing in the sources that are required for life to survive, and microbes began to form, and it just kinda worked its way up from there the way it does now. Just as slowly as it does now.
Actually, science has currently no explanation for how life arose. Abiogenesis is the study of how life originated, but there is no currently accepted theory. Although, there is some evidence currently building for some possibilities, like the original cells being built near volcanic crags which created bubbles, which allowed the proteins to form sphereical cell-walls. As well, some evidence suggests that the original proteins and DNA was created through meteors crash-landing on nutrient rich areas on Earth.
Theres also some evidence to suggest that the original life came to Earth on a meteor... We just don't know yet.
Also, how is there no proof of the big bang theory? There's plenty of proof, you just don't see it right in front of you. Did you almost the entire 'universe' is moving away from one certain point? If I remember correctly, I think there's also a enormous black hole there, too. I'm not sure if I got a minor detail off on explaining this or that, but I have a better understanding then most.
Actually, no... There is no "proof" for the Big Bang. We don't have "proof" for many things. We do have a lot of evidence that supports the theory, though.
As well, the universe is not moving away from any center, as far as we have been able to identify. There's no reason to believe there is a black hole, or any other object in the center, and we can not even be sure if there even is a "center".
Big Bang theory has nothing to do with your religious views, unless you mean agnostic as in nihilist as in you don't know if anything exists and truly have mastered not giving a ****.
Agnosticism is not nihilism.
Agnosticism is a belief that certain claims, typically tied to metaphysical claims, is unknown or unknowable.
In this context, agnosticism could be a correct term, in that one might suggest that knowledge of the origin of the universe is unknowable. One might also argue that theoretical physics relies on metaphysics, which are also unknowable.
And despite evidence, technically it is true that these things are still somewhat unknown at this time. Evidence does point us in a direction... but the evidence may be misleading. We can not be sure.
And yeah, I know it happened. Know. I emphasize know.
You can't "know" something like that. People who spend their entire lives studying the Big Bang and cosmological evidence do not even "know" it.
You're stating that you have selective and special knowledge of this event that you are unwilling to provide, or simply have not.
And BTW, if god does not need a creator, why does the universe need one. Just thought I'd throw it this Q there.
Are you serious?
Most definitions of 'God' state that God is more powerful than the universe (omnipotent, to be exact)... therefore, nothing implies the qualities of the universe have to apply to him.
To assume that 'God' would need to have a creator because the universe needs one, is to assume too many things.
Logically, it should also not be assumed that the universe "needs" a "creator", either.
Actually, no... There is no "proof" for the Big Bang. We don't have "proof" for many things. We do have a lot of evidence that supports the theory, though.
As well, the universe is not moving away from any center, as far as we have been able to identify. There's no reason to believe there is a black hole, or any other object in the center, and we can not even be sure if there even is a "center".
We do know that the Universe is expanding. Through redshift. Do you have other explanations for redshift?
You can't "know" something like that. People who spend their entire lives studying the Big Bang and cosmological evidence do not even "know" it.
You're stating that you have selective and special knowledge of this event that you are unwilling to provide, or simply have not.
I know it as much as I know anything, as in I don't. I presume that that is how it is, and live by it. That is what I meant by knowing, of course I do not know ANYTHING. At all. That's the basis for everything I believe in. I cannot know. Everything that has ever happened around me could be just a hallucination. For what I "know" I could be 250 years old, from Mars, be an octopus and just be dreaming.
Are you serious?
Most definitions of 'God' state that God is more powerful than the universe (omnipotent, to be exact)... therefore, nothing implies the qualities of the universe have to apply to him.
To assume that 'God' would need to have a creator because the universe needs one, is to assume too many things.
Logically, it should also not be assumed that the universe "needs" a "creator".
Omnipotency is a paradox. God cannot create a stone which weighs more than he can lift. And if he can, he cannot lift the stone. Thus leading to the inevitable conclusion that omnipotency is impossible.
And even if god can do anything, he cannot create himself. If he created the universe, logically he would need a creator. And that creator needs a creator. And the creator of the creator of the creator of the universe needs a creator. The circle never ends.
And yes, I was serious. You cannot state that a god can create themselves, because he would have to go back in time and create himself, which is an impossibility due to the laws of time-travel. If the universe needs a creator, then a god does too. If god needs no creator, then the universe needs no creator either. Because the universe may have existed for an infinite time. It has just looped like this: Big Bang > Expansion > Mass stops existing > Time is no longer > Big crunch > Ball of matter, more dense than anything > Big Bang > Expansion, and so on.
But a god existing for an infinite time is a logical impossibility from my perspective. What would he have done for the infinity before the creation of the Universe? Planned? Nope. If he is intelligent and powerful enough to create matter and energy from nothing, he is capable of planning the whole universe in a Planc second. He does not need time to think or ponder.
(Please remember that I am open minded about new opinions and my face is retarded)
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Michelangelo
Mod edit: Shairn used lock!
It's super effective!
Pointless thread has fainted!
Also, forgot to add my opinion to my last post...
I'm not sure I believe the 'Big Bang' as it is commonly accepted.
I think there is perhaps a lot more we need to know in order to determine the probability of such an event having actually occurred.
To be clear, not all of the evidence adds up right now to be 100% accurate. There are still some "loose ends" that are not yet explained or well understood, which are necessary for our determination on this subject.
As well the recent "faster than light" finding may reveal that our understanding of these theoretical physics are quite unclear... which would lead us to necessarily re-examining our understanding of physics, and therefore our understanding of the 'Big Bang'.
In other words, I don't typically invest my beliefs into "What if..." scenarios, of which the Big Bang is currently one of.
However, I do believe that a 'Big Bang'-like event is very probable.
The Big Bang has no connections to the creation of life, or life at all. Nor does Evolution. The current theory for the 'creation' of life is called Abiogenesis
I hope you don't mind my using some shameless copying from a past post. But I'm far too lazy to write up an entirely new response.
There isn't a center of the Universe. My favorite analogy is Raisin bread. When you roll the dough, it is compact with all the raisins close together. When you put it in the oven, and it rises, they all move apart. But there isn't a single point of expansion. You can pick any of the raisins and the bread itself seems to be expanding from that one point. Pick another one, same thing. Any point you choose is the center. This is the same with the Universe. If you pick any point, everything seems to be moving away from it.
We know that it's moving by its 'Redshift.' When something is moving toward you, it appears blue because the wavelength is being shortened. When something is moving away from you, it appears red because the wavelength is being lengthened. But this is a different subject. By telling how long or short the wavelength is we can figure out how fast it is moving away or towards from us. This can be done by taking a spectra of the galaxy in question.
It's really, really important that people understand that this is not the end-all and be-all answer to the creation of the Universe, but merely our current understanding. The Big Bang is not an entire answer. We may never have the complete answer. But there is no reason trying not to answer the 'Ultimate Question.'
One last thing, at some point, someone is going to bring up the fact that it was an "explosion." I'll address that when they do. But for the time being I'll just say don't even bother, and read up on it. Because that is probably the most ignorant argument against the Big Bang.
The Universe is cool enough without making up crap about it - Phil Plait
Lol
It was 6. And then he got worn out and had to reset.
No idea...
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I believe that God created the Universe, and the result was the Big Bang.
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Retired StaffGoda wizard did it.Answer this question: Why does god not need a creator but the universe does?
Michelangelo
Because saturday is the actual sabbath.
No idea how sunday got tied to it.
And there are already better theories than the big bang.
Like this one:
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25492/
It's still not flawless though.
Actually, science has currently no explanation for how life arose. Abiogenesis is the study of how life originated, but there is no currently accepted theory. Although, there is some evidence currently building for some possibilities, like the original cells being built near volcanic crags which created bubbles, which allowed the proteins to form sphereical cell-walls. As well, some evidence suggests that the original proteins and DNA was created through meteors crash-landing on nutrient rich areas on Earth.
Theres also some evidence to suggest that the original life came to Earth on a meteor... We just don't know yet.
Actually, no... There is no "proof" for the Big Bang. We don't have "proof" for many things. We do have a lot of evidence that supports the theory, though.
As well, the universe is not moving away from any center, as far as we have been able to identify. There's no reason to believe there is a black hole, or any other object in the center, and we can not even be sure if there even is a "center".
Agnosticism is not nihilism.
Agnosticism is a belief that certain claims, typically tied to metaphysical claims, is unknown or unknowable.
In this context, agnosticism could be a correct term, in that one might suggest that knowledge of the origin of the universe is unknowable. One might also argue that theoretical physics relies on metaphysics, which are also unknowable.
And despite evidence, technically it is true that these things are still somewhat unknown at this time. Evidence does point us in a direction... but the evidence may be misleading. We can not be sure.
You can't "know" something like that. People who spend their entire lives studying the Big Bang and cosmological evidence do not even "know" it.
You're stating that you have selective and special knowledge of this event that you are unwilling to provide, or simply have not.
Are you serious?
Most definitions of 'God' state that God is more powerful than the universe (omnipotent, to be exact)... therefore, nothing implies the qualities of the universe have to apply to him.
To assume that 'God' would need to have a creator because the universe needs one, is to assume too many things.
Logically, it should also not be assumed that the universe "needs" a "creator", either.
May his noodly appendage touch us all. Ramen.
We do know that the Universe is expanding. Through redshift. Do you have other explanations for redshift?
I know it as much as I know anything, as in I don't. I presume that that is how it is, and live by it. That is what I meant by knowing, of course I do not know ANYTHING. At all. That's the basis for everything I believe in. I cannot know. Everything that has ever happened around me could be just a hallucination. For what I "know" I could be 250 years old, from Mars, be an octopus and just be dreaming.
Omnipotency is a paradox. God cannot create a stone which weighs more than he can lift. And if he can, he cannot lift the stone. Thus leading to the inevitable conclusion that omnipotency is impossible.
And even if god can do anything, he cannot create himself. If he created the universe, logically he would need a creator. And that creator needs a creator. And the creator of the creator of the creator of the universe needs a creator. The circle never ends.
And yes, I was serious. You cannot state that a god can create themselves, because he would have to go back in time and create himself, which is an impossibility due to the laws of time-travel. If the universe needs a creator, then a god does too. If god needs no creator, then the universe needs no creator either. Because the universe may have existed for an infinite time. It has just looped like this: Big Bang > Expansion > Mass stops existing > Time is no longer > Big crunch > Ball of matter, more dense than anything > Big Bang > Expansion, and so on.
But a god existing for an infinite time is a logical impossibility from my perspective. What would he have done for the infinity before the creation of the Universe? Planned? Nope. If he is intelligent and powerful enough to create matter and energy from nothing, he is capable of planning the whole universe in a Planc second. He does not need time to think or ponder.
(Please remember that I am open minded about new opinions and my face is retarded)
Michelangelo
I'm not sure I believe the 'Big Bang' as it is commonly accepted.
I think there is perhaps a lot more we need to know in order to determine the probability of such an event having actually occurred.
To be clear, not all of the evidence adds up right now to be 100% accurate. There are still some "loose ends" that are not yet explained or well understood, which are necessary for our determination on this subject.
As well the recent "faster than light" finding may reveal that our understanding of these theoretical physics are quite unclear... which would lead us to necessarily re-examining our understanding of physics, and therefore our understanding of the 'Big Bang'.
In other words, I don't typically invest my beliefs into "What if..." scenarios, of which the Big Bang is currently one of.
However, I do believe that a 'Big Bang'-like event is very probable.