I beleive that for a long time you don't exist, but eventually you come back as something else...
Like a dinosaur, alien or maybe even another human :blink.gif:
Because if things just died and didn't exist anymore, how would new entities come? Whatever created this universe doesn't have infinite power, it would need to recycle.
I beleive that for a long time you don't exist, but eventually you come back as something else...
Like a dinosaur, alien or maybe even another human :blink.gif:
Because if things just died and didn't exist anymore, how would new entities come? Whatever created this universe doesn't have infinite power, it would need to recycle.
So how high are you right now?
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Powers are for the weak. I have no powers. I mean - unless you count the power to blow minds with my weapons-grade philosophical insights. I'm a thought-o-coaster, I'm the conundrummer in a band called Life Puzzler.
You see, it's a perfect heaven and hell afterlife, because you see, the people who resisted and were bad (the pony haters), Equestria would potentially be hell for them, while it would be heaven for the "Good" people.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Because we don't have souls, we have brains. Without a brain we would not be alive. Think of dying as sleeping without dreams, or even knowing that you exist. You can't feel anything. You wouldn't know that you're dead. Once again I'm going to point out the soul, brain thing. There is NOTHING after you die. Nothing happens. Some people need to learn that true science beats a religion any day.
Im pearlist, which is a good way of saying that i think science is the key.
it means "Proven evidence and reasoned logic" So its basically everything that science is today
No one really knows. Everyone who says they know, don't really know. There are claims of people visiting Hell, visiting Heaven...but the way things are, who is too say this isn't a sensationalist move to sell books. There is no evidence of what happens in terms of life after death etc.
No one really knows. Everyone who says they know, don't really know. There are claims of people visiting Hell, visiting Heaven...but the way things are, who is too say this isn't a sensationalist move to sell books. There is no evidence of what happens in terms of life after death etc.
Ah yes, evidence. There's too much that we don't know about the universe and how things work. My faith is Christianity.
I have been clinically dead for 40 minutes. I can tell you, there is life after death. What I have seen I have trouble finding the words to describe, even as a writer. The experience changed me. What I saw on the other side, what is waiting for you, believe me, there is much more to life than just death. As a matter of fact, I think death is a door that you walk through when you pass from one life into the next.
After thinking about your theory of "soul recycling" It seems pretty impractical to move around souls and create new ones at the same time (Don't forget, thousands of new people are born every day taking in to account the total deaths per day.)
To sum up everything I want to say into a couple of brief sentences, I don't know what happens after we die, but I'm pretty sure it's not what you were thinking of.
-Not trying to be mean or anything!
I thought you'd mention consistency.
We all see widely varying images, depending on our placement in the world, yes? But there are many similarities, like grass, dirt, and trees, right?
Well, look at religions. Most of them acknowledge a unity to the world. Almost all of them acknowledge a 'spirit', and many acknowledge a higher God. Most consider being a "good person" an ideal to uphold, while performing "evil" or malicious deeds to profoundly upset the world as well as your "spirit".
And blah blah blah.
There are TONS of similarities relating to religion and the 'human spirit'... and while there are many differences, they are not unlike the many differences we all experience in our SIGHT, our HEARING, our TASTE, and etc.
I don't think this is sufficient to call it a sense. There are a lot of common thoughts among humans, as we did all endure similar conditions. As well, religion doesn't have a whole lot of similarities, and the differences are many and often significant. They usually have some sort of spirit, but the way they view this is vastly different. It goes from ghosts with no power, to various gods with small powers, to a small group of gods that are more powerful, to one god that is all powerful. There are so many different views that the only similarity they seem to share is non physical things interacting with the physical world.
As for evil things, that's easily explainable. Those things are bad for societies of humans,so it makes sense that the ones that didn't do them would survive and prosper while the others faded.
I think religion, as a whole, is already a consistent enough example and evidence of this sense. The massive amounts of people throughout the world, the majority of the world, all believing in "souls" and/or religion all support that this "sense" is as consistent as pretty much any other sense... As well as prove it is fallible.
How many other ways can you explain so many people believing in these things? I'm not saying there are not other explanations, but what makes those explanations any more valid than mine? *shrug*
Seeing as how I've studied this for quite a few years personally, I don't find any other explanations to hold more validity. Others might disagree... but I honestly don't really care. Everyone has their own opinions and beliefs. I choose to respect everyone's beliefs, as long as they don't state they are "right" in any way... that's when I tend to disagree. :wink.gif:
If it happened early enough in human history, it would only make sense that it was widespread.
Okay, well, umm... I can't qualify your experiences and tell you what those "feelings" were, or if they were or were not the same.
But I really don't think we are talking about the same thing at all. I don't think that what I'm talking about is comparable to what you are stating. I think your "sixth sense" was probably clouded by beliefs which were given to you, but weren't your own.
Perhaps your "sixth sense" was somewhat at work there, but... it was probably very clouded by what you were told to believe.
I've found it is pretty easy to "close your eyes" on this sense, and it is harder to "open your eyes" to it. I use eyes as a metaphor, because it is like a sense... we somewhat have the ability to control it, and can even lose it entirely.
We can close our eyes to not look at things we don't want to see. We can also open our eyes to see the beauty of the world. We can also be blinded by the world and our circumstances, and never see again.
Well, given what I hear about the "presense of God" feelings, I can say with reasonable certainty that I experienced them. What you describe as a sixth sense is something that fits within reason with what I experienced. Saying it was clouded by not being my own is a bit inaccurate. I didn't feel forced into the religion, or brain-washed. I didn't have things forced into my head from my point of view, that's the whole point of getting kids young. It becomes part of what they think. As well, it doesn't sound unlike a no true scotsman. I say I experienced it, and you say I didn't really experience it.
Well, while that might be true... there are many people who don't conform to the mainstream religion's beliefs, yet still agree with most of the religion.
Some religions don't even really explain or try to explain what happens after death, like forms of Judaism, Taoism, and some other religions.
As well, this is focusing specifically on people's beliefs about one thing, and not necessarily about their religion or other beliefs. So we can still get a wide range of responses here.... it's not JUST a religion thread.
Well the majority of people here are not going to be of that group. There are a great many mainstream religious people here, as well as a large number of standard atheists and agnostics. The chances of it being a discussion about something other than religious based afterlife predictions, is rather low. There may be many, but that isn't enough.
It could have the potential to be something other than a religious discussion, but it seems so unlikely that I didn't give that view much credit. I went with the more likely outcome.
You even admitted, "unless something else is present"... And that is currently an unknown. Through logic, you must admit that the belief that something else does not exist is a belief established on no grounds, on faith, or assumptions.
Simply because we don't have enough evidence to logically make that conclusion yet.
I have a great deal of evidence that shows that matter is present and makes up our body. I have no evidence whatsoever to suggest that anything else is there. It's not my job to prove something doesn't exist, nor to treat everything as a possibility without any evidence at all. I will acknowledge was has been proven to be there, and won't acknowledge what hasn't proven to be there. Matter is the only thing suggested to be there by evidence, so matter is the only thing on the list of what is there.
I'm having a hard time trying to articulate my point without sounding repetitive. Mostly what I want to say is, why think there is more than matter? For me, I see no reason to. Therefore I don't.
"Is A true?" "I don't see any reason why it would be." This may be a clear representation of my thoughts on something else being there. Not as much "Is A true?" "No."
More importantly we know about the functions of many parts of the brain by being able to observe what function is lost when different parts are damaged. We've even cut the two hemispheres of the brain apart and watched both halves develop unique personalities and beliefs.
Not once in any of this probing of the human brain have we ever found anything to indicate that the mind is anything more than the product of chemical reactions in the brain.
You even admitted, "unless something else is present"... And that is currently an unknown. Through logic, you must admit that the belief that something else does not exist is a belief established on no grounds, on faith, or assumptions.
This is horseshit. That "something else" would have to be something that is somehow only capable of interacting with the atoms that compose the human brain, otherwise it'd have been measured already. But it doesn't matter. This is entirely inconsistent with everything we know and have observed about the human brain and its relationship with consciousness.
I mean, we can affect the way people feel and think just by shooting chemicals into their brain or shooting a pulsing electric field through it. We've been able to measure the response of visual processing within the brain and then, to a limited extent, reconstruct the image that was seen.
Really, at this point there is no legitimate claim to the idea that there is any external supernatural or immaterial influence interacting with the brain.
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Like a dinosaur, alien or maybe even another human :blink.gif:
Because if things just died and didn't exist anymore, how would new entities come? Whatever created this universe doesn't have infinite power, it would need to recycle.
So how high are you right now?
You see, it's a perfect heaven and hell afterlife, because you see, the people who resisted and were bad (the pony haters), Equestria would potentially be hell for them, while it would be heaven for the "Good" people.
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Im pearlist, which is a good way of saying that i think science is the key.
it means "Proven evidence and reasoned logic" So its basically everything that science is today
Ah yes, evidence. There's too much that we don't know about the universe and how things work. My faith is Christianity.
yeah.
The topic should be re-written as, "What do you think happens after death?" Asking, "When you die?" Just doesn't sound right. Anyone else notice that?
Seems legit
...Organic material.
...what? Did you expect something funny?
To sum up everything I want to say into a couple of brief sentences, I don't know what happens after we die, but I'm pretty sure it's not what you were thinking of.
-Not trying to be mean or anything!
I don't think this is sufficient to call it a sense. There are a lot of common thoughts among humans, as we did all endure similar conditions. As well, religion doesn't have a whole lot of similarities, and the differences are many and often significant. They usually have some sort of spirit, but the way they view this is vastly different. It goes from ghosts with no power, to various gods with small powers, to a small group of gods that are more powerful, to one god that is all powerful. There are so many different views that the only similarity they seem to share is non physical things interacting with the physical world.
As for evil things, that's easily explainable. Those things are bad for societies of humans,so it makes sense that the ones that didn't do them would survive and prosper while the others faded.
If it happened early enough in human history, it would only make sense that it was widespread.
Well, given what I hear about the "presense of God" feelings, I can say with reasonable certainty that I experienced them. What you describe as a sixth sense is something that fits within reason with what I experienced. Saying it was clouded by not being my own is a bit inaccurate. I didn't feel forced into the religion, or brain-washed. I didn't have things forced into my head from my point of view, that's the whole point of getting kids young. It becomes part of what they think. As well, it doesn't sound unlike a no true scotsman. I say I experienced it, and you say I didn't really experience it.
Well the majority of people here are not going to be of that group. There are a great many mainstream religious people here, as well as a large number of standard atheists and agnostics. The chances of it being a discussion about something other than religious based afterlife predictions, is rather low. There may be many, but that isn't enough.
It could have the potential to be something other than a religious discussion, but it seems so unlikely that I didn't give that view much credit. I went with the more likely outcome.
I have a great deal of evidence that shows that matter is present and makes up our body. I have no evidence whatsoever to suggest that anything else is there. It's not my job to prove something doesn't exist, nor to treat everything as a possibility without any evidence at all. I will acknowledge was has been proven to be there, and won't acknowledge what hasn't proven to be there. Matter is the only thing suggested to be there by evidence, so matter is the only thing on the list of what is there.
I'm having a hard time trying to articulate my point without sounding repetitive. Mostly what I want to say is, why think there is more than matter? For me, I see no reason to. Therefore I don't.
"Is A true?" "I don't see any reason why it would be." This may be a clear representation of my thoughts on something else being there. Not as much "Is A true?" "No."
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Retired StaffMore importantly we know about the functions of many parts of the brain by being able to observe what function is lost when different parts are damaged. We've even cut the two hemispheres of the brain apart and watched both halves develop unique personalities and beliefs.
Not once in any of this probing of the human brain have we ever found anything to indicate that the mind is anything more than the product of chemical reactions in the brain.
This is horseshit. That "something else" would have to be something that is somehow only capable of interacting with the atoms that compose the human brain, otherwise it'd have been measured already. But it doesn't matter. This is entirely inconsistent with everything we know and have observed about the human brain and its relationship with consciousness.
I mean, we can affect the way people feel and think just by shooting chemicals into their brain or shooting a pulsing electric field through it. We've been able to measure the response of visual processing within the brain and then, to a limited extent, reconstruct the image that was seen.
Really, at this point there is no legitimate claim to the idea that there is any external supernatural or immaterial influence interacting with the brain.
Got a link? Sounds interesting.