You just admitted that you would rather take someone's life rather than restrain them. Bloodthirst and mental conditions are no reason for owning a gun. If you want to get someone bad to stop doing something , you use a taser.
That kind of thinking is exactly why criminals still exist.
Im guessing you are also against the death sentence?
Sorry but I wont tolerate scumbags who cause suffering to other peple.
If it is not necessary of course I wouldn't shoot, but I want to be able to have that option.
You never know what the person is planning to do...
i have to agree with this.
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Amendment? Pff . . . I'd bear arms with or without it. It's my right as a human being not just as an American.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. ' An eye for an eye ' makes us primitive and ignorant. If there is a way to stop something bad happening without causing major disabilities to the wrongdoer , then It must be taken first and foremost.
Those are the most idiotic quotes I've ever heard.
It doesnt work like that.
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People who are down on their luck and have no other choice.
They also have family. This family would suffer if you killed the criminal.
By your logic, you shoot shoot yourself.
I couldnt care less about some thugs family.
And how am I a criminal? -.-
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Criminals are humans, too. To murder someone because they broke into your house is a bit extreme for some people, and I have no idea where you pulled the death sentence argument from. If we endorse killing to the level of murderous self defense, then will that not spawn a violent generation?
If you are able to restrain them and bring them to court, they will get their cake, so why bother doing it earlier and possibly risk being overly exaggerative?
Like I said earlier:
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If it is not necessary of course I wouldn't shoot, but I want to be able to have that option.
You never know what the person is planning to do...
My point is: Guns should be legal, I should be able to protect myself if needed.
Bad people will always find ways to get guns.
In countries with strict gun control criminals are a lot more ballsy, because they know their victims wont be able to defend themselves.
I have no idea where you learned that a criminals family is not equal to your family or anyone else's. Imagine a family , a soon to be mother and father with a baby on their way. The baby is born , and they plunge into financial instability. The father tries to get a job , even as low as a burger flipper in McDonalds , but with no success. He ends up pick pocketing people in the street so his child doesn't die. He sneaks into a house (owned by Mr. Steks) and is shot down , by a person with a shotgun. His widow and child end up on the streets with their flat sold to keep themselves alive , and the mother ends up as a prostitute. She is stabbed six months later by a client. The baby passes away in the street. But really , who the **** cares about them eh?
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Those are the most idiotic quotes I've ever heard.
It doesnt work like that.
What part did you mean? I didn't give any quotes apart from ' An eye for an eye ' but that is the morality you are sticking by here. I don't understand , please clarify.
You sir are a dumbass. I couldn't give half a **** about some poor criminal. If he steals or goes into my house, His ass will be blown the **** up by 4 inch buckshot.
You said " Two wrongss don't make a right". I couldn't care about the morality of killing someone, If you come at me with a knife, your dead. If your brother(s) take revenge, blow them the **** up too.
Instead of removing firearms from shelves. Every person at the age of 18 should take a mandatory gun safety class, and if you wish to own a firearm, you need to take a more in depth course, and obtain a license (much like a car license) dependent on what type of gun you wish to purchase. Concealed carry should also be easier to legally obtain.
If every person is carrying a firearm, no-one would dare pull one out on someone else. Making more gun laws won't solve anything. If I suddenly decided to go shoot some people, I wouldn't say "oh darn, I don't have a concealed carry license, guess I can't do it" (note: I will never go shoot up someplace or someone, that was purely an example) Gun laws HELP ,random citizens don't exactly need fully automatic assault rifles, but self-defense not being a valid reason for a concealed carry, that makes no sense.
Edit: if someone kills someone else, they deserve to die. If they can face the morality of what they did, and the family of the victim gives the ok, the murderer should get a second chance. But if the victims family says "you die" or if they cannot own up to what they did, they deserve to die.
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I don't give a **** about them. I don't care if you have them, just don't point me with them and we're cool.
Gun laws are unnecessary in my opinion. If someone wants something, they get whether it is illegal or not. Take cannabis for an example.
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My opinion is, a good tactical carbine needs a good red dot sight. Also a gun mounted flashlight is a very good idea. Also, a 22LR is a great gun to have. 550 rounds for 20 bucks? Yes please.
You sir are a dumbass. I couldn't give half a **** about some poor criminal. If he steals or goes into my house, His ass will be blown the **** up by 4 inch buckshot.
You said " Two wrongss don't make a right". I couldn't care about the morality of killing someone, If you come at me with a knife, your dead. If your brother(s) take revenge, blow them the **** up too.
I seriously hope your joking.
How? * moany liberal voice * " What about his familyyyyy? What if they cry?!!?. "
I don't give a ****. Everyone is a human, I reserve the right to blow you the **** up if you come into my home.
My opinion is, a good tactical carbine needs a good red dot sight. Also a gun mounted flashlight is a very good idea. Also, a 22LR is a great gun to have. 550 rounds for 20 bucks? Yes please.
I have no idea where you learned that a criminals family is not equal to your family or anyone else's. Imagine a family , a soon to be mother and father with a baby on their way. The baby is born , and they plunge into financial instability. The father tries to get a job , even as low as a burger flipper in McDonalds , but with no success. He ends up pick pocketing people in the street so his child doesn't die. He sneaks into a house (owned by Mr. Steks) and is shot down , by a person with a shotgun. His widow and child end up on the streets with their flat sold to keep themselves alive , and the mother ends up as a prostitute. She is stabbed six months later by a client. The baby passes away in the street. But really , who the **** cares about them eh?
That is sad, but theres really nothing you can do...apart from letting the criminals roam free and do whatever they want just because "they have families".
Yes it sucks, but the man must be punished.
If he didnt deserve it of course he shouldn't be killed, but he should be sent to jail, which also creates a problem for his family.
Last year there was this guy who lived in a village not far from my city.He raped and then killed his neighbours 5year old daughter, afterwards he hid in the woods so the police and the villagers went into to the woods to search for him.
The villagers found him first, and if the police hadn't intervened they would have lynched him (I think they should have).He also has a family, and because he is in jail now they are probably going through a financial crysis.
Do you think this man should be released from jail just because his family is now poor?
Sure, it sucks for them but theres nothing we can do about it.
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What part did you mean? I didn't give any quotes apart from ' An eye for an eye ' but that is the morality you are sticking by here. I don't understand , please clarify.
Well you said:
"Two wrongs dont make a right."
"An eye for an eye makes us primitive and ignorant" - Which isnt exactly a quote but is pretty close to "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
That is just stupid, some people deserve to be punished.
How? * moany liberal voice * " What about his familyyyyy? What if they cry?!!?. "
I don't give a ****. Everyone is a human, I reserve the right to blow you the **** up if you come into my home.
whats next? your gonna lay anti personall mines in your backyard... and who gives you the right to kill someone who enters your house...
If i could, I probably would.
Castle docterin(SP?), *****.
Who gives someone the right to break into my house? Also, how is self defense wrong?
Apparently, it hurts the family in some way. ( Considering that almost every criminal family is a family of assholes.*gangs,bad groups( group of robbers), etc*)
Who gives someone the right to break into my house? Also, how is self defense wrong?
self defence is not wrong, but killing someone when he is entering your house is imo. u know your taking someoens live away right? the highest price there is.
Thats good. If they really want my stuff that bad they can come and try to take it, but I'm taking " your highest price "
No it's not. If someone where to hurt my sister, I'd make my lifes mission to kill everyone they've ever loved. I value my family and life more than anything on this earth, not so much some assbag rapist that wants to **** my sister.
Who gives someone the right to break into my house? Also, how is self defense wrong?
self defence is not wrong, but killing someone when he is entering your house is imo. u know your taking someoens live away right? the highest price there is.
Killing someone that enters your home is self defense.
If someone broke into your house, what would you do? Just let them do whatever they want? They might want all of your stuff and then kill you because you saw what they look like. They might just be some psychopath that just wants to kill you because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not willing to put my life in the hands of someone that forcefully enters my home. When in such a situation, I don't have time to figure out what the intruder wants, or think about his family, and I definitely don't have time to wait for the police.
your taking someone's life for breaking into your house?
thats just redicilous imo.
So you would just let the thief go about his business and steal your ****?
no, i woud not, most thiefs are unarmed here, and regarding i did martial arts for 5 years and still doing it 5x a week i would proberly make him feel "uncomfortable"
I hope to god he shits horrendous spiky diarrhea because he's GOING to kill you.
Lets use the sister argument again. ( for me real ) I'm NOT going to put her life in the hands of a criminal. I'll bet my ass that i'd blow him the **** up.
i have to agree with this.
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Amendment? Pff . . . I'd bear arms with or without it. It's my right as a human being not just as an American.
::Quote from The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes
Those are the most idiotic quotes I've ever heard.
It doesnt work like that.
I couldnt care less about some thugs family.
And how am I a criminal? -.-
Like I said earlier:
My point is: Guns should be legal, I should be able to protect myself if needed.
Bad people will always find ways to get guns.
In countries with strict gun control criminals are a lot more ballsy, because they know their victims wont be able to defend themselves.
That's quite enough Albert.
You sir are a dumbass. I couldn't give half a **** about some poor criminal. If he steals or goes into my house, His ass will be blown the **** up by 4 inch buckshot.
You said " Two wrongss don't make a right". I couldn't care about the morality of killing someone, If you come at me with a knife, your dead. If your brother(s) take revenge, blow them the **** up too.
Its a choice rather, I think guns are cool, but I hate when used in War.
If every person is carrying a firearm, no-one would dare pull one out on someone else. Making more gun laws won't solve anything. If I suddenly decided to go shoot some people, I wouldn't say "oh darn, I don't have a concealed carry license, guess I can't do it" (note: I will never go shoot up someplace or someone, that was purely an example) Gun laws HELP ,random citizens don't exactly need fully automatic assault rifles, but self-defense not being a valid reason for a concealed carry, that makes no sense.
Edit: if someone kills someone else, they deserve to die. If they can face the morality of what they did, and the family of the victim gives the ok, the murderer should get a second chance. But if the victims family says "you die" or if they cannot own up to what they did, they deserve to die.
Gun laws are unnecessary in my opinion. If someone wants something, they get whether it is illegal or not. Take cannabis for an example.
Michelangelo
How? * moany liberal voice * " What about his familyyyyy? What if they cry?!!?. "
I don't give a ****. Everyone is a human, I reserve the right to blow you the **** up if you come into my home.
I love you.
That is sad, but theres really nothing you can do...apart from letting the criminals roam free and do whatever they want just because "they have families".
Yes it sucks, but the man must be punished.
If he didnt deserve it of course he shouldn't be killed, but he should be sent to jail, which also creates a problem for his family.
Last year there was this guy who lived in a village not far from my city.He raped and then killed his neighbours 5year old daughter, afterwards he hid in the woods so the police and the villagers went into to the woods to search for him.
The villagers found him first, and if the police hadn't intervened they would have lynched him (I think they should have).He also has a family, and because he is in jail now they are probably going through a financial crysis.
Do you think this man should be released from jail just because his family is now poor?
Sure, it sucks for them but theres nothing we can do about it.
Well you said:
"Two wrongs dont make a right."
"An eye for an eye makes us primitive and ignorant" - Which isnt exactly a quote but is pretty close to "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
That is just stupid, some people deserve to be punished.
If i could, I probably would.
Castle docterin(SP?), *****.
Apparently, it hurts the family in some way. ( Considering that almost every criminal family is a family of assholes.*gangs,bad groups( group of robbers), etc*)
Thats good. If they really want my stuff that bad they can come and try to take it, but I'm taking " your highest price "
So you would just let the thief go about his business and steal your ****?
Killing someone that enters your home is self defense.
If someone broke into your house, what would you do? Just let them do whatever they want? They might want all of your stuff and then kill you because you saw what they look like. They might just be some psychopath that just wants to kill you because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not willing to put my life in the hands of someone that forcefully enters my home. When in such a situation, I don't have time to figure out what the intruder wants, or think about his family, and I definitely don't have time to wait for the police.
I hope to god he shits horrendous spiky diarrhea because he's GOING to kill you.
Lets use the sister argument again. ( for me real ) I'm NOT going to put her life in the hands of a criminal. I'll bet my ass that i'd blow him the **** up.