If you want the bible to make sense, you have to be willing to study it and take your time with it. I think most athiests here will read or have read the bible and consider it to be "********" or "garbage" because they told that to themselves from the beginning. You have to have an open mind when dealing with things like this.
I grew up in the American south. Trust me, I've spent my fair share dealing with the bible.
If you want the bible to make sense, you have to be willing to study it and take your time with it. I think most athiests here will read or have read the bible and consider it to be "********" or "garbage" because they told that to themselves from the beginning. You have to have an open mind when dealing with things like this.
I grew up in the American south. Trust me, I've spent my fair share dealing with the bible.
Alright then. Give me a brief overview of the bible. You can do it in 5 sentences if you try.
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The iteration of these lines brings gold;
The framing of this circle on the ground
Brings whirlwinds, tempests, thunder and lightning.
Ahaha, Rand. That gives me a good chuckle. I remember looking over Objectivism on wikipedia and just about nonstop laughing.
Ok, I'm stumped. What could you possibly have against objectivism?
It seemed nonsensical to me.
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No no no, sophism is completely opposed to philosophy. Sophism is pretending to be wise when you are not. Philosophy is trying to be wise when you are not.
Don't shoot the messenger, my subconscious told me to say it. I don't think you'll get far with him, though. He doesn't even listen to me.
Still, when I said "philosophy-speak" I was jokingly implying that your post was right simply because it sounded right, and if it was actually your intention to make it only sound right I'd be able to call you a sophist. It's not your intention, of course. :3
If you want the bible to make sense, you have to be willing to study it and take your time with it. I think most athiests here will read or have read the bible and consider it to be "********" or "garbage" because they told that to themselves from the beginning. You have to have an open mind when dealing with things like this.
I was a young child, who never learned about anything else but Christianity. It was in Louisiana, deep in the "bible belt." Despite being a blank page I still thought those stories sounded crazy.
The priest one time got all the kids in a group and told us to close our eyes and he went around and touched us on the head and asked us if we felt god. The first think I thought was "anyone else believe this?" That guy DIRECTLY LIED to try and imprint religion and god on me. I get angry just thinking about it.
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If you want the bible to make sense, you have to be willing to study it and take your time with it. I think most athiests here will read or have read the bible and consider it to be "********" or "garbage" because they told that to themselves from the beginning. You have to have an open mind when dealing with things like this.
Honestly I used to be a christian and never thought about being anything else, I didn't decide to convert until I read it
the bible is the reason I'm an atheist
I don't wanna get pulled into this debate, but I thought that would be funny to share
If you want the bible to make sense, you have to be willing to study it and take your time with it. I think most athiests here will read or have read the bible and consider it to be "********" or "garbage" because they told that to themselves from the beginning. You have to have an open mind when dealing with things like this.
I grew up in the American south. Trust me, I've spent my fair share dealing with the bible.
So did I. I grew up with it.
Krunchy...... Not all atheists are like that. They are bound to be open minded from the beginning, because their parents were most likely teaching them religion.
Also, if there were tens to hundreds of messiahs who did the same thing Jesus did at the time, what makes Jesus so special?
If you want the bible to make sense, you have to be willing to study it and take your time with it. I think most athiests here will read or have read the bible and consider it to be "********" or "garbage" because they told that to themselves from the beginning. You have to have an open mind when dealing with things like this.
I grew up in the American south. Trust me, I've spent my fair share dealing with the bible.
Alright then. Give me a brief overview of the bible. You can do it in 5 sentences if you try.
Of all the books? In five sentences? Not gonna happen. And I just don't feel like writing more than that about the bible.
If you want the bible to make sense, you have to be willing to study it and take your time with it. I think most athiests here will read or have read the bible and consider it to be "********" or "garbage" because they told that to themselves from the beginning. You have to have an open mind when dealing with things like this.
I bet most Creationists will think the same thing if they had to learn about evolution.
"Objectivism is a philosophy defined by the Russian-American philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand (1905–1982). Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest"
Guys, this relates to the origins of life.
If you want to start a religious debate, go to the Religion thread.
This is about Evolution and Creationism.
Alright then. Give me a brief overview of the bible. You can do it in 5 sentences if you try.
god created man, earth, and all the animals.
But the devil tempted them with forbidden fruit and they got kicked out of paradise and created original sin.
Some time later god raped impregnated Mary and had Jesus.
Jesus went around preaching peace and got a following but was betrayed and killed by romans and died for our sins.
Jesus later returned from the dead and went on Jesusing saying to the romans "Can't touch this".
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If you want the bible to make sense, you have to be willing to study it and take your time with it. I think most athiests here will read or have read the bible and consider it to be "********" or "garbage" because they told that to themselves from the beginning. You have to have an open mind when dealing with things like this.
I was a young child, who never learned about anything else but Christianity. It was in Louisiana, deep in the "bible belt." Despite being a blank page I still thought those stories sounded crazy.
The priest one time got all the kids in a group and told us to close our eyes and he went around and touched us on the head and asked us if we felt god. The first think I thought was "anyone else believe this?" That guy DIRECTLY LIED to try and imprint religion and god on me. I get angry just thinking about it.
Wait, I'm confused. Is that your excuse for saying the Bible is ******** and garbage or is it storytime?
"Objectivism is a philosophy defined by the Russian-American philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand (1905–1982). Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest"
Ok, I'm stumped. What could you possibly have against objectivism?
Hrm... read books. Any books. They all, at some point, show what is wrong with objectivism. Even Rand's books if you pay attention while you are reading and don't just take it as gospel. It's really a terrible, embarrassing, disgusting, and hilarious philosophy.
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Still, when I said "philosophy-speak" I was jokingly implying that your post was right simply because it sounded right, and if it was actually your intention to make it only sound right I'd be able to call you a sophist. It's not your intention, of course. :3
That makes sense!
I guess the way I write does set me up as a kind of sophist. I should change my signature to say "Everything in the above post is a lie".
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Also, that's what it says in the dictionary. Belief / Faith
"Objectivism is a philosophy defined by the Russian-American philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand (1905–1982). Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest"
....really?
Yep.
Now, you're just being unreasonable. Tell me specifically why, or I don't think you even read it. That shouldn't sound nonsensical to any rational person.
"Objectivism is a philosophy defined by the Russian-American philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand (1905–1982). Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest"
....really?
Good job. Now read the rest. You might want to brace yourself.
Edit: A further discussion should go in its own thread. If you want my analysis, I'll do it elsewhere. This is about EVILution.
"Objectivism is a philosophy defined by the Russian-American philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand (1905–1982). Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest"
....really?
Good job. Now read the rest. You might want to brace yourself.
I'm familiar with it. Give me a reason other than "LOL, read books, it's obvious!"
Also, that's what it says in the dictionary. Belief / Faith
I grew up in the American south. Trust me, I've spent my fair share dealing with the bible.
Alright then. Give me a brief overview of the bible. You can do it in 5 sentences if you try.
The framing of this circle on the ground
Brings whirlwinds, tempests, thunder and lightning.
It seemed nonsensical to me.
Don't shoot the messenger, my subconscious told me to say it. I don't think you'll get far with him, though. He doesn't even listen to me.
Still, when I said "philosophy-speak" I was jokingly implying that your post was right simply because it sounded right, and if it was actually your intention to make it only sound right I'd be able to call you a sophist. It's not your intention, of course. :3
You heard that, green and red.
I was a young child, who never learned about anything else but Christianity. It was in Louisiana, deep in the "bible belt." Despite being a blank page I still thought those stories sounded crazy.
The priest one time got all the kids in a group and told us to close our eyes and he went around and touched us on the head and asked us if we felt god. The first think I thought was "anyone else believe this?" That guy DIRECTLY LIED to try and imprint religion and god on me. I get angry just thinking about it.
*there may or may not be cake
Honestly I used to be a christian and never thought about being anything else, I didn't decide to convert until I read it
the bible is the reason I'm an atheist
I don't wanna get pulled into this debate, but I thought that would be funny to share
So did I. I grew up with it.
Krunchy...... Not all atheists are like that. They are bound to be open minded from the beginning, because their parents were most likely teaching them religion.
Also, if there were tens to hundreds of messiahs who did the same thing Jesus did at the time, what makes Jesus so special?
Of all the books? In five sentences? Not gonna happen. And I just don't feel like writing more than that about the bible.
I bet most Creationists will think the same thing if they had to learn about evolution.
"Objectivism is a philosophy defined by the Russian-American philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand (1905–1982). Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest"
....really?
If you want to start a religious debate, go to the Religion thread.
This is about Evolution and Creationism.
god created man, earth, and all the animals.
But the devil tempted them with forbidden fruit and they got kicked out of paradise and created original sin.
Some time later god
rapedimpregnated Mary and had Jesus.Jesus went around preaching peace and got a following but was betrayed and killed by romans and died for our sins.
Jesus later returned from the dead and went on Jesusing saying to the romans "Can't touch this".
*there may or may not be cake
Wait, I'm confused. Is that your excuse for saying the Bible is ******** and garbage or is it storytime?
Yep.
You heard that, green and red.
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Retired StaffHrm... read books. Any books. They all, at some point, show what is wrong with objectivism. Even Rand's books if you pay attention while you are reading and don't just take it as gospel. It's really a terrible, embarrassing, disgusting, and hilarious philosophy.
That makes sense!
I guess the way I write does set me up as a kind of sophist. I should change my signature to say "Everything in the above post is a lie".
That is what is says.
Creationism and religion are inextricably linked; this is a bad post and you should feel bad.
Rather, the discussion about Objectivity and Ayn Rand should move on to another thread, since it is entirely off topic.
Holy batman, that's 1-2-3 ninja posts!
Now, you're just being unreasonable. Tell me specifically why, or I don't think you even read it. That shouldn't sound nonsensical to any rational person.
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Retired StaffGood job. Now read the rest. You might want to brace yourself.
Edit: A further discussion should go in its own thread. If you want my analysis, I'll do it elsewhere. This is about EVILution.
I'm familiar with it. Give me a reason other than "LOL, read books, it's obvious!"
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Retired StaffStart a new thread if you're really interested in a topic about the insanity of objectivism!
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