god created man, earth, and all the animals.
But the devil tempted them with forbidden fruit and they got kicked out of paradise and created original sin.
Some time later god raped impregnated Mary and had Jesus.
Jesus went around preaching peace and got a following but was betrayed and killed by romans and died for our sins.
Jesus later returned from the dead and went on Jesusing saying to the romans "Can't touch this".
You're obviously not understanding the bible if you think God "raped" Mary.
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The iteration of these lines brings gold;
The framing of this circle on the ground
Brings whirlwinds, tempests, thunder and lightning.
This thread's already derailed. We're already talking about it, just one post giving some reasons why it's so laughable.
See? Philosophers and economists don't give Rand the time of day, either. Well, Ben Bernanke did for a long time. Scary stuff. Then, after the economy crashed, he said that he was "wrong about everything". Poor Bernanke.
Anyway, it deserves its own discussion in another thread. Say something about why you think it's true and we'll have a conversation from there.
Wait, I'm confused. Is that your excuse for saying the Bible is ******** and garbage or is it storytime?
No, that is just one of many reasons why.
Okay, the Bible is bad because people who align to some of the teachings in it do something you disagree with. I think you need to provide some of the other reasons. =/
Wait, I'm confused. Is that your excuse for saying the Bible is ******** and garbage or is it storytime?
No, that is just one of many reasons why.
Okay, the Bible is bad because people who align to some of the teachings in it do something you disagree with. I think you need to provide some of the other reasons. =/
Okay, the Bible is bad because people who align to some of the teachings in it do something you disagree with. I think you need to provide some of the other reasons. =/
Im going to have to agree with this.
Why do people need reasons to not like the bible?
Also, why does it say evolution at the top of the page when that's the one thing nobody is talking about?
Okay, the Bible is bad because people who align to some of the teachings in it do something you disagree with. I think you need to provide some of the other reasons. =/
Im going to have to agree with this.
Why do people need reasons to not like the bible?
Also, why does it say evolution at the top of the page when that's the one thing nobody is talking about?
Oh, it's their opinion. I'm not going to say "NO YOU ARE WRONG FOR NOT LIKING IT" if they simply don't like it. But if their reasoning is silly their position is likely silly, so I want to help them correct it. I guess you could say I'm just being a nice person. Or an asshole. I've heard both and better and certainly worse.
For example, if Illford's explanation was "I believe that preaching is a very bad thing, and since Jesus did that all throughout half of the Bible, I certainly could not like it," and there's no much I could do to change his mind regarding that. However, if he said, "I once saw an old lady beat down with a Bible. Therefore the Bible is bad! It's used as a weapon!" I'd not only crack up laughing, I'd be unable to resist arguing with him.
Why do people need reasons not to like a certain movie, or something?
They don't.
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Why do people need reasons to not like the bible?
Also, why does it say evolution at the top of the page when that's the one thing nobody is talking about?
Oh, it's their opinion. I'm not going to say "NO YOU ARE WRONG FOR NOT LIKING IT" if they simply don't like it. But if their reasoning is silly their position is likely silly, so I want to help them correct it. I guess you could say I'm just being a nice person. Or an asshole. I've heard both and better and certainly worse.
So, if someone doesn't like the new Spider-Man movie without much reason, do you also try to correct their opinion on that?
Why do people need reasons not to like a certain movie, or something?
They don't.
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Why do people need reasons to not like the bible?
Also, why does it say evolution at the top of the page when that's the one thing nobody is talking about?
Oh, it's their opinion. I'm not going to say "NO YOU ARE WRONG FOR NOT LIKING IT" if they simply don't like it. But if their reasoning is silly their position is likely silly, so I want to help them correct it. I guess you could say I'm just being a nice person. Or an asshole. I've heard both and better and certainly worse.
So, if someone doesn't like the new Spider-Man movie without much reason, do you also try to correct their opinion on that?
That's something that holds little to no importance to me, so honestly I wouldn't care much. I'm a very stubborn and persistent person about some things, though, so if I loved the movie I'd probably doggedly get reasons out of them and then show why they're silly anyway. Now if they simply have no reason at all, again, there's pretty much nothing I can do about that.
Well, as it happens, many people don't care at all about the things you care about most. Spider-Man may be your favorite movie, but to someone else it may not mean anything. Maybe they just aren't interested, and don't care to put any more thought into it than that. I wouldn't blame them.
Feel free to replace Spider-Man with bible, and movie with book if you wish.
The scientific theory of evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. Evolution takes over once life already exists. So I'll take "other", for abiogenesis, thank you very much.
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If you want the bible to make sense, you have to be willing to study it and take your time with it.
Wants have nothing to do with it. It either makes sense or it does not make sense. If it does not make sense then one should attempt to gain knowledge that will allow it to make sense up until the point that the costs of understanding it begin to outweigh the benefits. Quantum electrodynamics does not make sense and is extremely counter-intuitive, but unlike the bible, quantum electrodynamics has moved us forward technologically and allows us to build the computer on which you write your messages.
While creationism has (often demonstrably incorrect, or at the very least, undemonstrable) explanations for things it has no predictive power; it is useless for things other than entertainment. This is one of the reasons for which I discard your bible as anything other than a collection of mytho-historical documents (mytho-historical because although it does contain some truths, it also contains many falsehoods, both of which are so intertwined that teasing the truth from the fiction isn't worth my time, since we can verify the truth by other means anyways).
I think most athiests (sic) here will read or have read the bible and consider it to be "********" or "garbage" because they told that to themselves from the beginning.
I think you will find that a large number of atheists were once Christians and took the bible seriously for some time.
You have to have an open mind when dealing with things like this.
An open mind is a fine thing to have. Just don't leave it so open that your brain falls out.
A video discussing the implications of "open-mindedness":
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There's no definitive proof that evolution is true, either. In some sense, evolutionists are delusional, too.
Science does not deal with proofs. Proofs are generally restricted to mathematics. I have no doubt that many people that accept the scientific theory of evolution have personal delusions, I just don't think their acceptance of the scientific theory of evolution is one of them (assuming they understand it correctly, know of at least a little evidence for it, and understand it's implications). The scientific theory of evolution has an astoundingly massive amount of evidence backing it up. In fact, it has to because it is the internal structure holding up all of modern biological science.
A delusion is holding something to be true that is demonstrably false. For example, the belief that the world is flat by biblical authors was a delusion. The ancient Greeks knew the Earth was an approximation of a sphere and had even calculated it's circumference to impressive accuracy. Evolution is demonstrably true; we have mountains of evidence to back it up; the scientific theory of evolution may one day be considered a delusion should dis-confirming evidence ever appear, but until then it is not a delusion.
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I once had a SCIENCE teacher try to push Creationism on us. I told him my opinion on the whole thing and he told me I was going to Hell.
mfw when.
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I once had a SCIENCE teacher try to push Creationism on us. I told him my opinion on the whole thing and he told me I was going to Hell.
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mfw when.
That made me lol.
I'm going to ask my science teacher when we get into evolution and the big bang theory.
She's open minded and accepting though.
Darn.
Oh well, I still want to know so that some of the christians there can get a good look at evolution before screaming that it's "stupid"
I typed the wrong word.
I do that sometimes.
So no, I don't feel bad.
This thread's already derailed. We're already talking about it, just one post giving some reasons why it's so laughable.
You're obviously not understanding the bible if you think God "raped" Mary.
The framing of this circle on the ground
Brings whirlwinds, tempests, thunder and lightning.
chill out, it was a joke. there was a strike-through but you removed it to make me look bad and make a pointless argument.
*there may or may not be cake
But I'm afraid joking about it means you don't want to describe to me what you really got out of the bible.
The framing of this circle on the ground
Brings whirlwinds, tempests, thunder and lightning.
See? Philosophers and economists don't give Rand the time of day, either. Well, Ben Bernanke did for a long time. Scary stuff. Then, after the economy crashed, he said that he was "wrong about everything". Poor Bernanke.
Anyway, it deserves its own discussion in another thread. Say something about why you think it's true and we'll have a conversation from there.
Okay, the Bible is bad because people who align to some of the teachings in it do something you disagree with. I think you need to provide some of the other reasons. =/
You heard that, green and red.
Im going to have to agree with this.
I'd hit it
Why do people need reasons to not like the bible?
Also, why does it say evolution at the top of the page when that's the one thing nobody is talking about?
Why do people need reasons not to like a certain movie, or something?
Because people have derailed the topic.
Herp.
Oh, it's their opinion. I'm not going to say "NO YOU ARE WRONG FOR NOT LIKING IT" if they simply don't like it. But if their reasoning is silly their position is likely silly, so I want to help them correct it. I guess you could say I'm just being a nice person. Or an asshole. I've heard both and better and certainly worse.
For example, if Illford's explanation was "I believe that preaching is a very bad thing, and since Jesus did that all throughout half of the Bible, I certainly could not like it," and there's no much I could do to change his mind regarding that. However, if he said, "I once saw an old lady beat down with a Bible. Therefore the Bible is bad! It's used as a weapon!" I'd not only crack up laughing, I'd be unable to resist arguing with him.
You heard that, green and red.
They don't.
So, if someone doesn't like the new Spider-Man movie without much reason, do you also try to correct their opinion on that?
That's something that holds little to no importance to me, so honestly I wouldn't care much. I'm a very stubborn and persistent person about some things, though, so if I loved the movie I'd probably doggedly get reasons out of them and then show why they're silly anyway. Now if they simply have no reason at all, again, there's pretty much nothing I can do about that.
You heard that, green and red.
Feel free to replace Spider-Man with bible, and movie with book if you wish.
Wants have nothing to do with it. It either makes sense or it does not make sense. If it does not make sense then one should attempt to gain knowledge that will allow it to make sense up until the point that the costs of understanding it begin to outweigh the benefits. Quantum electrodynamics does not make sense and is extremely counter-intuitive, but unlike the bible, quantum electrodynamics has moved us forward technologically and allows us to build the computer on which you write your messages.
While creationism has (often demonstrably incorrect, or at the very least, undemonstrable) explanations for things it has no predictive power; it is useless for things other than entertainment. This is one of the reasons for which I discard your bible as anything other than a collection of mytho-historical documents (mytho-historical because although it does contain some truths, it also contains many falsehoods, both of which are so intertwined that teasing the truth from the fiction isn't worth my time, since we can verify the truth by other means anyways).
I think you will find that a large number of atheists were once Christians and took the bible seriously for some time.
An open mind is a fine thing to have. Just don't leave it so open that your brain falls out.
A video discussing the implications of "open-mindedness":
Science does not deal with proofs. Proofs are generally restricted to mathematics. I have no doubt that many people that accept the scientific theory of evolution have personal delusions, I just don't think their acceptance of the scientific theory of evolution is one of them (assuming they understand it correctly, know of at least a little evidence for it, and understand it's implications). The scientific theory of evolution has an astoundingly massive amount of evidence backing it up. In fact, it has to because it is the internal structure holding up all of modern biological science.
A delusion is holding something to be true that is demonstrably false. For example, the belief that the world is flat by biblical authors was a delusion. The ancient Greeks knew the Earth was an approximation of a sphere and had even calculated it's circumference to impressive accuracy. Evolution is demonstrably true; we have mountains of evidence to back it up; the scientific theory of evolution may one day be considered a delusion should dis-confirming evidence ever appear, but until then it is not a delusion.
I will often edit my posts after I have posted them in an attempt to improve their clarity (I value a few high quality posts over several low quality ones; the more lengthy the post, the more time it requires to edit) so you might want to wait for a while if this post is recent and refresh to see if anything has changed before replying to it.
mfw when.
That made me lol.
I'm going to ask my science teacher when we get into evolution and the big bang theory.
She's open minded and accepting though.
Darn.
Oh well, I still want to know so that some of the christians there can get a good look at evolution before screaming that it's "stupid"