I love how you outline health risks throughout your instruction on getting high.
The irony, it amuses me.
In short, I don't like it when people are high. Disregarding the disregard for personal safety and consideration of those around you, it's just a breach of good judgment.
That being said, some of my friends have been high, or are regularly. Who am I to judge?
You know, I realized I'd rather spend $1000 on a plane ticket to Amsterdam to get legally high than take vomit inducer.
OP, do what you want, but I still don't see the practicality of it.
Update: Since I wrote this post, I have been researching, and it turns out there are many ritualistic subgroups of societies around the world (especially South America shaman-like cultures) where there are pain/nausea-inducing drug rituals to become a full member of a part of society, after which the pain part of it stops, and after which there are occasional booster sessions (in the form of ritualized feast days throughout the year, etc.). That is EXACTLY what I planned out, and it not only definitely works, but is already ingrained into the fabric of various cultures. Which is awesome.
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I love how you outline health risks throughout your instruction on getting high.
The irony, it amuses me.
In short, I don't like it when people are high. Disregarding the disregard for personal safety and consideration of those around you, it's just a breach of good judgment.
That being said, some of my friends have been high, or are regularly. Who am I to judge?
...Sigh.
Seriously, dude? Look at the first half of your post compared to the second half, and reconsider what you are saying... The safety discussion is NOT an accident, and it is NOT ironic, at all. The safety discussion is because I, just like you, think traditional drug use is an unacceptable disregard for personal safety, and a lapse of good judgment.
I have never gotten high off of anything except alcohol (which I don't view as as much of a lapse of judgment, since there are extra, widescale social benefits, and I am not inclined to alcoholism, but it's a fine line), for exactly that reason.
The entire motivation for this post is to suggest a way to get high that is safe, and that might be in good judgment. it is a thought experiment about exactly the things you are talking about, because although I agree with you for currently popular drugs, I am keeping an open mind to other plausible alternatives.
You know, I realized I'd rather spend $1000 on a plane ticket to Amsterdam to get legally high than take vomit inducer.
OP, do what you want, but I still don't see the practicality of it.
That is incredibly expensive (add on the cost of drugs and hotel and restaurant food the whole time you're there, etc., too. And this is assuming you can just drop everything and leave, without family or job obligations AND it only works for those few days, then you have to pay again. Mine is a lasting program for months/years, with just one initial startup period). 99.9% of people simply cannot afford your alternative, no matter how much they may find the idea of it more appealing. Which means for a wider audience, my version might still be a useful possibility to consider.
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Przerwap, upon looking at some code I had just written: "...Gav... That's not how programming works."
This is really well thought out and its a very interesting read.
I have no doubt in my mind that this would work, and would be a lot safer than most drugs.
That being said, I won't be doing it any time soon, but definitely interesting.
Thanks for sharing.
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That's not even a ****ing riddle.
It's a trick question which took several people several blind attempts to answer.
Won't that eventually make you bulemic. Not really cool, bro
No. In every sense of the word.
Nothing about this idea has anything at all to do with bulimia nervosa whatsoever. I assume you are thinking that ipecac CAN cause vomiting, and bulimic people SOMETIMES induce vomiting. But:
1) Vomiting almost certainly does not cause bulimia - you just made that up out of nowhere.
2) Even the opposite is often not true: bulimia does not necessarily cause vomiting.
3) The definition of bulimia does not include vomiting at all.
4) My plan does not have anything to do with vomiting, either. If you had read the OP, you would see that I specifically include the instruction NOT to take a large enough dose to vomit.
Not only do you do not factually know what you are talking about, but the logic you are using is terrible on its own, irregardless of facts. You could use the same logic to argue any of the following ridiculous claims:
A) "Won't owning an axe eventually make you a serial killer? not cool, bro."
:cool.gif: "Won't hugging your children lead you to eventually become a pedophile? not cool, bro."
C) "Won't calling anybody on a telephone eventually make you establish an illegal bookie operation? not cool, bro."
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Przerwap, upon looking at some code I had just written: "...Gav... That's not how programming works."
Actually, I meant that if you continued to use it, you could condition yourself to thinking anything you eat/put in your mouth you throw up.
...Which, again, is entirely irrelevant to this thread, since nothing about my idea involves throwing up, ever.
AND which, again, is entirely irrelevant to bulimia nervosa, since the belief you describe is not what bulimia is about at all.
Don't patronise me.
If you don't want me to patronise [sic] you, you must do one or both of the following:
A) Come up with an argument that makes any sort of sense psychologically.
:cool.gif: Don't start out your first comment in a thread with a snide attempt to shoot down the entire idea. That makes enemies and erases any respect people might give you politely by default.
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Przerwap, upon looking at some code I had just written: "...Gav... That's not how programming works."
Couldn't you just naturally release endorphins, causing a natural euphoria?
[The people I've offset with this have nothing on me!]
That is essentially what I am trying to do. it is your brain's anti-nausea reaction (consisting of some mix of endorphins, etc.) that is giving you the high.
If you are aware of a much more direct way to just force yourself to release endorphins with no drugs or rituals or anything, please let us know!!
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Przerwap, upon looking at some code I had just written: "...Gav... That's not how programming works."
The irony, it amuses me.
In short, I don't like it when people are high. Disregarding the disregard for personal safety and consideration of those around you, it's just a breach of good judgment.
That being said, some of my friends have been high, or are regularly. Who am I to judge?
OP, do what you want, but I still don't see the practicality of it.
...Sigh.
Seriously, dude? Look at the first half of your post compared to the second half, and reconsider what you are saying... The safety discussion is NOT an accident, and it is NOT ironic, at all. The safety discussion is because I, just like you, think traditional drug use is an unacceptable disregard for personal safety, and a lapse of good judgment.
I have never gotten high off of anything except alcohol (which I don't view as as much of a lapse of judgment, since there are extra, widescale social benefits, and I am not inclined to alcoholism, but it's a fine line), for exactly that reason.
The entire motivation for this post is to suggest a way to get high that is safe, and that might be in good judgment. it is a thought experiment about exactly the things you are talking about, because although I agree with you for currently popular drugs, I am keeping an open mind to other plausible alternatives.
That is incredibly expensive (add on the cost of drugs and hotel and restaurant food the whole time you're there, etc., too. And this is assuming you can just drop everything and leave, without family or job obligations AND it only works for those few days, then you have to pay again. Mine is a lasting program for months/years, with just one initial startup period). 99.9% of people simply cannot afford your alternative, no matter how much they may find the idea of it more appealing. Which means for a wider audience, my version might still be a useful possibility to consider.
I have no doubt in my mind that this would work, and would be a lot safer than most drugs.
That being said, I won't be doing it any time soon, but definitely interesting.
Thanks for sharing.
No. In every sense of the word.
Nothing about this idea has anything at all to do with bulimia nervosa whatsoever. I assume you are thinking that ipecac CAN cause vomiting, and bulimic people SOMETIMES induce vomiting. But:
1) Vomiting almost certainly does not cause bulimia - you just made that up out of nowhere.
2) Even the opposite is often not true: bulimia does not necessarily cause vomiting.
3) The definition of bulimia does not include vomiting at all.
4) My plan does not have anything to do with vomiting, either. If you had read the OP, you would see that I specifically include the instruction NOT to take a large enough dose to vomit.
Not only do you do not factually know what you are talking about, but the logic you are using is terrible on its own, irregardless of facts. You could use the same logic to argue any of the following ridiculous claims:
A) "Won't owning an axe eventually make you a serial killer? not cool, bro."
:cool.gif: "Won't hugging your children lead you to eventually become a pedophile? not cool, bro."
C) "Won't calling anybody on a telephone eventually make you establish an illegal bookie operation? not cool, bro."
...Which, again, is entirely irrelevant to this thread, since nothing about my idea involves throwing up, ever.
AND which, again, is entirely irrelevant to bulimia nervosa, since the belief you describe is not what bulimia is about at all.
If you don't want me to patronise [sic] you, you must do one or both of the following:
A) Come up with an argument that makes any sort of sense psychologically.
:cool.gif: Don't start out your first comment in a thread with a snide attempt to shoot down the entire idea. That makes enemies and erases any respect people might give you politely by default.
[The people I've offset with this have nothing on me!]
That is essentially what I am trying to do. it is your brain's anti-nausea reaction (consisting of some mix of endorphins, etc.) that is giving you the high.
If you are aware of a much more direct way to just force yourself to release endorphins with no drugs or rituals or anything, please let us know!!