I have had this idea, for as long as I could remember.
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Meet Bob. Bob is a sleeping man. Sleeping forever, in a large hollow cylinder hurling through a vast emptieness
of eternal black at the speed of light. in this cylinder, there are several small wires, hooked into his brain. The
wires are sending certain electrical signals to parts of his brain, stimulating his senses. His emotions. He does
not truly scratch his dogs head before he kisses his wife goodbye, and leaves for work. These wires just create
the sensation. Perhaps you are Bob. Perhaps I am Bob. Maybe none of this is real, all of this is just a big dream
and you are just a thought of a sleeping man.
I have had this idea, for as long as I could remember.
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Meet Bob. Bob is a sleeping man. Sleeping forever, in a large hollow cylinder hurling through a vast emptieness
of eternal black at the speed of light. in this cylinder, there are several small wires, hooked into his brain. The
wires are sending certain electrical signals to parts of his brain, stimulating his senses. His emotions. He does
not truly scratch his dogs head before he kisses his wife goodbye, and leaves for work. These wires just create
the sensation. Perhaps you are Bob. Perhaps I am Bob. Maybe none of this is real, all of this is just a big dream
and you are just a thought of a sleeping man.
You mean the Matrix? It was a good movie, at least the first one. After that the metaphors got so mixed I couldn't figure it out.
The Brain in a Jar theory. Yea, I've heard it. Personally prefer the "Life is a Game" theory. In that one, everyone is an individual part of God, or a member of a highly advanced civilization, and we all play a game called Real Life. We play the game because being part of an mortal being/being mortal because of our technology, we have all eternity to kill. We are born into a mortal body, and 'play' through the time the mortal body will live. When we are in the game, we have no knowledge that it is a game, so we take it seriously, and play games to get away from our game. Then, when our mortal body dies, we can remember it was all a game, we review what we did that round, and then decide if we want to play again or sit this round out.
I'm still contemplating which crazy theory is true.
I'm staying a flexible Christian for now, as if the brain-in-a-jar or the theory posted above is true, then I lose nothing.
Except myself. Even though I'd be immortal and a deity, I'd still be a completely different person.
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Our worlds. They are created by my mind. All that is here has been created by me. I am the only one here in this universe, and everything else is just a shadow. My mind creates all that can be seen. I do not know what is over the hill, because my mind has not yet created it, and as soon as it does, it will disappear from existence when I leave the hill, unless I am to pass over the hill again.
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The iteration of these lines brings gold;
The framing of this circle on the ground
Brings whirlwinds, tempests, thunder and lightning.
The theory is called Plato's Allegory of the cave.
It's the concept that ponders reality and what we perceive as real.
Not exactly. Plato's Cave is about the prisoners getting free, seeing the world outside, being unable to grasp it and returning to their shackles in the cave. Reality is cannot be grasped and humans will not try to because they can't handle it. Plato assumes there is an outside reality and questions man's ability to understand it. This theory deals with the same theme but a simpler question: is there an outside reality to begin with?
Besides that, Plato's outside reality (world of forms? world of ideas? I forget) is very different in concept from the reality outside the Sleeping Man or brain in a box, which is functionally identical to what we experience.
It's still fairly similar since they both are about a reality that one can't really grasp. Upon awakening from their prison both will realize that their world is a lie. Plato's allegory is what inspired the matrix since it deals with how one would act upon finding the real world instead of the false reality that shrouded them previously.
Our worlds. They are created by my mind. All that is here has been created by me. I am the only one here in this universe, and everything else is just a shadow. My mind creates all that can be seen. I do not know what is over the hill, because my mind has not yet created it, and as soon as it does, it will disappear from existence when I leave the hill, unless I am to pass over the hill again.
Our worlds. They are created by my mind. All that is here has been created by me. I am the only one here in this universe, and everything else is just a shadow. My mind creates all that can be seen. I do not know what is over the hill, because my mind has not yet created it, and as soon as it does, it will disappear from existence when I leave the hill, unless I am to pass over the hill again.
Our worlds. They are created by my mind. All that is here has been created by me. I am the only one here in this universe, and everything else is just a shadow. My mind creates all that can be seen. I do not know what is over the hill, because my mind has not yet created it, and as soon as it does, it will disappear from existence when I leave the hill, unless I am to pass over the hill again.
I can prove this false, but I don't feel like it.
Please discuss since it would be an interesting debate.
Please discuss since it would be an interesting debate.
I'll give it a try then...
If the world is in my mind, then why can it not be altered by my mind? Why do parts of the world I have never thought of come into existence before I imagine them? If the world is created in my mind, then why do I not like it?
Please discuss since it would be an interesting debate.
I'll give it a try then...
If the world is in my mind, then why can it not be altered by my mind? Why do parts of the world I have never thought of come into existence before I imagine them? If the world is created in my mind, then why do I not like it?
Well the plato concept proposes that our reality can be created as an illusion. The allegory of the cave proposes a scenario where humans have been chained with their heads fixed to look straight since birth and the only thing they can see is shadows on a wall and believe it to be real. This is a reality their mind creates. It may be real to them, they may or may not like it. Think of it this way. There is a world existing outside of your mind, but your mind makes the reality.
I don't know if that made any sense sense I'm trying to argue someone's viewpoint with my own. :/
Well the plato concept proposes that our reality can be created as an illusion. The allegory of the cave proposes a scenario where humans have been chained with their heads fixed to look straight since birth and the only thing they can see is shadows on a wall and believe it to be real. This is a reality their mind creates. It may be real to them, they may or may not like it. Think of it this way. There is a world existing outside of your mind, but your mind makes the reality.
I don't know if that made any sense sense I'm trying to argue someone's viewpoint with my own. :/
I'm not sure if that was even the idea I was arguing against....I'm confused now.
Well the plato concept proposes that our reality can be created as an illusion. The allegory of the cave proposes a scenario where humans have been chained with their heads fixed to look straight since birth and the only thing they can see is shadows on a wall and believe it to be real. This is a reality their mind creates. It may be real to them, they may or may not like it. Think of it this way. There is a world existing outside of your mind, but your mind makes the reality.
I don't know if that made any sense sense I'm trying to argue someone's viewpoint with my own. :/
I'm not sure if that was even the idea I was arguing against....I'm confused now.
You and I are not brain wrinkled. XD
Yeah I don't know what I was trying to argue.
Well the plato concept proposes that our reality can be created as an illusion. The allegory of the cave proposes a scenario where humans have been chained with their heads fixed to look straight since birth and the only thing they can see is shadows on a wall and believe it to be real. This is a reality their mind creates. It may be real to them, they may or may not like it. Think of it this way. There is a world existing outside of your mind, but your mind makes the reality.
I don't know if that made any sense sense I'm trying to argue someone's viewpoint with my own. :/
I'm not sure if that was even the idea I was arguing against....I'm confused now.
Right. But it's a common metaphor I think, since we often experience moments where the world seems to turn upside down, and it feels as though we've been looking at the shadows in a cave and calling it reality. I don't know if I follow Plato all the way to his conclusion in what is known as Platonism, but the image is very vivid and I think irrefutable.
That doesn't necessarily mean we have to share the philosopher's conclusions, though.
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Meet Bob. Bob is a sleeping man. Sleeping forever, in a large hollow cylinder hurling through a vast emptieness
of eternal black at the speed of light. in this cylinder, there are several small wires, hooked into his brain. The
wires are sending certain electrical signals to parts of his brain, stimulating his senses. His emotions. He does
not truly scratch his dogs head before he kisses his wife goodbye, and leaves for work. These wires just create
the sensation. Perhaps you are Bob. Perhaps I am Bob. Maybe none of this is real, all of this is just a big dream
and you are just a thought of a sleeping man.
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You mean the Matrix? It was a good movie, at least the first one. After that the metaphors got so mixed I couldn't figure it out.
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I'm staying a flexible Christian for now, as if the brain-in-a-jar or the theory posted above is true, then I lose nothing.
Except myself. Even though I'd be immortal and a deity, I'd still be a completely different person.
Raise my dragons please!!
It's the concept that ponders reality and what we perceive as real.
It still seems like a possibility to me. It is bothersome thinking that this life is fake. cuz i obviously wouldnt want THIS life.
xD
You have just read this. You are also manually breathing.
The framing of this circle on the ground
Brings whirlwinds, tempests, thunder and lightning.
It's still fairly similar since they both are about a reality that one can't really grasp. Upon awakening from their prison both will realize that their world is a lie. Plato's allegory is what inspired the matrix since it deals with how one would act upon finding the real world instead of the false reality that shrouded them previously.
This ^
I can prove this false, but I don't feel like it.
Please discuss since it would be an interesting debate.
I'll give it a try then...
If the world is in my mind, then why can it not be altered by my mind? Why do parts of the world I have never thought of come into existence before I imagine them? If the world is created in my mind, then why do I not like it?
Well the plato concept proposes that our reality can be created as an illusion. The allegory of the cave proposes a scenario where humans have been chained with their heads fixed to look straight since birth and the only thing they can see is shadows on a wall and believe it to be real. This is a reality their mind creates. It may be real to them, they may or may not like it. Think of it this way. There is a world existing outside of your mind, but your mind makes the reality.
I don't know if that made any sense sense I'm trying to argue someone's viewpoint with my own. :/
I'm not sure if that was even the idea I was arguing against....I'm confused now.
You and I are not brain wrinkled. XD
Yeah I don't know what I was trying to argue.
That would be weird. I would be talking to myself, and yelling at myself.
You have just read this. You are also manually breathing.
Right. But it's a common metaphor I think, since we often experience moments where the world seems to turn upside down, and it feels as though we've been looking at the shadows in a cave and calling it reality. I don't know if I follow Plato all the way to his conclusion in what is known as Platonism, but the image is very vivid and I think irrefutable.
That doesn't necessarily mean we have to share the philosopher's conclusions, though.
Possible, LSD does that in strong enough doses. XD