It doesn't. You're more at risk for being blown up on the trip to the airport anyway, or standing in the line at security. Why bother blowing up a plane when other things are much easier targets?
I don't know why everyone is so offended by these searches
Because they're unnecessary violations of privacy that do nothing but make bullying a career. Have you ever had your nuts felt up by a stranger? Have you ever watched an adult grope a child just to make sure they're not carrying explosives with the yield of a pack of firecrackers? Of course you haven't, because then you would understand. It's a degrading and embarrassing process that does absolutely nothing for your safety.
It's a huge waste of time and money that only serves to frighten and bully the public. Worse still most of the time people won't stand up against it because they can't miss their flight. I can't miss a business conference or a much needed vacation just to prove a point.
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I don't know why everyone is so offended by these searches. Hey if it makes me less likely to get blown up on a plane then **** what people think.
This guy right here is 100% correct in anyway because wouldn't you rather get checked then being shot or killed or blown up, this is America we need safety.
I don't know why everyone is so offended by these searches. Hey if it makes me less likely to get blown up on a plane then **** what people think.
This guy right here is 100% correct in anyway because wouldn't you rather get checked then being shot or killed or blown up, this is America we need safety.
I suppose you would be happy living inside a box in which you were only able to sleep, eat and defecate when told to?
I don't know why everyone is so offended by these searches. Hey if it makes me less likely to get blown up on a plane then **** what people think.
This guy right here is 100% correct in anyway because wouldn't you rather get checked then being shot or killed or blown up, this is America we need safety.
I suppose you would be happy living inside a box in which you were only able to sleep, eat and defecate when told to?
This guy right here is 100% correct in anyway because wouldn't you rather get checked then being shot or killed or blown up, this is America we need safety.
What a coincidentally un-American point of view. You've created a false dichotomy. It's not a choice between getting groped or getting injured, which is exactly what the TSA wants you to think: that they're actually protecting you from something. They aren't. Like I said, if someone really wanted to hurt people, they'd do it somewhere else, like at the actual security checkpoint or any other public place. I went through the airport plenty of times before the TSA existed and I never once got shot, maimed, or blown up. I never once needed my rights violated. But who needs the 4th amendment, right?
How many planes have been blown up since 9/11?
None. 9/11 went down because at the time no one had really considered the possibility that hijackers would use the aircraft as a weapon, so all it took was a couple of guys with box cutters to take control of the plane. Up until then we believed that compliance with hijackers was the safest option because the plane would be flown to Cuba and everyone would live. Now that people realize hijackers would likely take their own lives for whatever it is they wanted to do, they won't sit idly by and watch. Enhanced screening isn't protecting anyone from anything.
How many terrorists has the TSA actually found and arrested before they boarded the plane?
None.
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I suppose you would be happy living inside a box in which you were only able to sleep, eat and defecate when told to?
Well actually...
How does being searched compare to total seclusion from the world? It doesn't! It's like the well known phrase "Would you jump off a cliff if your friends did it?"
If you think that is relevant and a good thing to say then you're an idiot, if not and you think it's a stupid thing to say and blown out of proportion then you're a hypocrite.
How does being searched compare to total seclusion from the world? It doesn't!
Except to illustrate how people are giving up personal liberty for "safety". Yeah, I used scare-quotes because you're not actually any safer because of this. You're giving up your rights for no reason. What's scary is that not only are some people complacent about it, but they actually think it's a good idea because they've been brainwashed with threats of violence.
Submit or be blown up.
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Dark, something akin to prison was supposed to come to mind from my statement. A situation where one is stripped of all freedoms and placed in a world secluded from the one you and I live in. I also don't appreciate the insult.
Thank you for coming to my defense Yourself, I appreciate it.
My policy has always been:
"He who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."
Yeah, however your freedom can be examined as your choice to fly or not, you don't need to fly. I couldn't care less, I have nothing to hide and wouldn't mind being searched each and every time I fly. It's not as though they are coming into my home and searching me there, or before I get into my car (since my car doesn't hold 50+ passengers and people who get in it usually know me..). You don't have to fly if you don't like it.
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How many planes have been blown up since 9/11?
How many terrorists has the TSA actually found and arrested before they boarded the plane?
A cookie to who will give me the answer.
The new body searches are useless.
But you aren't considering how many of these events they might have deterred because of the searches. Think of it this way, would you attempt to rob a convenience store if you knew everyone inside (clerks and customers) were armed to the teeth with guns? Probably not.
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Yeah, however your freedom can be examined as your choice to fly or not, you don't need to fly.
Yeah, if you completely ignore the time it takes to travel and the costs associated with hotel stays and gas on long car trips. Flying isn't merely a convenience, it's an absolute necessity now. So, yeah, the idea that you have the freedom to choose is absolute ********. It's not like people are choosing to fly down to the corner supermarket to pick up a gallon of milk. They're choosing to fly because it's the only way they can get to their destination in a reasonable amount of time.
I couldn't care less, I have nothing to hide and wouldn't mind being searched each and every time I fly.
Okay, fine. I don't have anything to hide but I have a problem with having my testicles moved around by some stranger in an airport in public. I also have a problem with millions of people getting exposed to x-ray radiation from those body scanners. Even with small doses it's enough to end up killing a few more people just because of the sheer number of travelers that are passed through. It's likely they'd end up killing more people than the terrorists they're supposed to stop.
You don't have to fly if you don't like it.
Missing the point. I do have to fly whether I like it or not and there's absolutely no reason that I should have to hate the security measures. I hate the security measures because they're unnecessary, they're not making you or anyone else safer. Metal detectors and the luggage x-ray machines are fine, a compulsory choice between being groped by a TSA officer or being sent through a body scanner so another TSA officer can see me (or anyone else) naked is not fine.
Learn your fourth amendment rights.
But you aren't considering how many of these events they might have deterred because of the searches.
That's because there's absolutely no way you could consider that. It's even worse to claim that it's effective at deterring attacks because you have absolutely no evidence to back it up.
Think of it this way, would you attempt to rob a convenience store if you knew everyone inside (clerks and customers) were armed to the teeth with guns? Probably not.
Would I care how armed the people were if my intent was to suicide bomb the convenience store?
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Yeah, however your freedom can be examined as your choice to fly or not, you don't need to fly.
Yeah, if you completely ignore the time it takes to travel and the costs associated with hotel stays and gas on long car trips. Flying isn't merely a convenience, it's an absolute necessity now. So, yeah, the idea that you have the freedom to choose is absolute ********. It's not like people are choosing to fly down to the corner supermarket to pick up a gallon of milk. They're choosing to fly because it's the only way they can get to their destination in a reasonable amount of time.
I couldn't care less, I have nothing to hide and wouldn't mind being searched each and every time I fly.
Okay, fine. I don't have anything to hide but I have a problem with having my testicles moved around by some stranger in an airport in public. I also have a problem with millions of people getting exposed to x-ray radiation from those body scanners. Even with small doses it's enough to end up killing a few more people just because of the sheer number of travelers that are passed through. It's likely they'd end up killing more people than the terrorists they're supposed to stop.
You don't have to fly if you don't like it.
Missing the point. I do have to fly whether I like it or not and there's absolutely no reason that I should have to hate the security measures. I hate the security measures because they're unnecessary, they're not making you or anyone else safer. Metal detectors and the luggage x-ray machines are fine, a compulsory choice between being groped by a TSA officer or being sent through a body scanner so another TSA officer can see me (or anyone else) naked is not fine.
Learn your fourth amendment rights.
But you aren't considering how many of these events they might have deterred because of the searches.
That's because there's absolutely no way you could consider that. It's even worse to claim that it's effective at deterring attacks because you have absolutely no evidence to back it up.
Think of it this way, would you attempt to rob a convenience store if you knew everyone inside (clerks and customers) were armed to the teeth with guns? Probably not.
Would I care how armed the people were if my intent was to suicide bomb the convenience store?
You don't need to fly. Sorry you just don't need to. For work? Okay go into a different field. For family? Alright too bad you can't see them. Yes there is no evidence of what they've deterred, but could you just consider the possibility? Try responding without getting so upset next time, geeze.
No you wouldn't care if you were going to suicide bomb it, you missed the analogy.
No need to get so upset either. You think what you do, I think what I do. I'm more about freedom than you know, but my views have flexibility. Not trying to start a war here either, sheesh.
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Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to make everything symmetrical.
But you aren't considering how many of these events they might have deterred because of the searches. Think of it this way, would you attempt to rob a convenience store if you knew everyone inside (clerks and customers) were armed to the teeth with guns? Probably not.
I had a paragraph written out as a reply, but then I read this:
You don't need to fly. Sorry you just don't need to. For work? Okay go into a different field. For family? Alright too bad you can't see them.
and I realized that I could not take you seriously anymore.
Oh geeze guy. its more sarcastic than anything. My point was, you don't need to fly in order to live/survive. it's just as ridiculous as him saying "submit or get blown up".
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Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to make everything symmetrical.
You don't need to fly. Sorry you just don't need to. For work? Okay go into a different field. For family? Alright too bad you can't see them. Yes there is no evidence of what they've deterred, but could you just consider the possibility? Try responding without getting so upset next time, geeze.
No you wouldn't care if you were going to suicide bomb it, you missed the analogy.
No need to get so upset either. You think what you do, I think what I do. I'm more about freedom than you know, but my views have flexibility. Not trying to start a war here either, sheesh.
I am sorry, I don't really know how to say this without coming across as insulting, though that is not my intent, but this reply is ignorant, and illogical. I am not saying you're stupid. However, to say that your better off quitting your job if it requires you to fly? Never seeing your family again? Seriously?
You don't need to fly. Sorry you just don't need to. For work? Okay go into a different field. For family? Alright too bad you can't see them. Yes there is no evidence of what they've deterred, but could you just consider the possibility? Try responding without getting so upset next time, geeze.
No you wouldn't care if you were going to suicide bomb it, you missed the analogy.
No need to get so upset either. You think what you do, I think what I do. I'm more about freedom than you know, but my views have flexibility. Not trying to start a war here either, sheesh.
I am sorry, I don't really know how to say this without coming across as insulting, though that is not my intent, but this reply is ignorant, and illogical. I am not saying you're stupid. However, to say that your better off quitting your job if it requires you to fly? Never seeing your family again? Seriously?
Read my post above. My only point was you don't need to fly in order to live/survive.
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Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to make everything symmetrical.
You may not NEED to fly, but that's not the point. The point here is that for the majority if people, being groped by a stranger to stop a terrorist that most likely won't exist is completely ridiculous.
As you can tell, I don't like this, nor do I like the x-ray machine alternative. There has to be some other way to make sure the airports are safe.
However, there's something that is a constant throughout almost any society: The more you're willing to seek security, the more rights you're willing to give up. It sucks, but that's how it seems to be currently.
You may not NEED to fly, but that's not the point. The point here is that for the majority if people, being groped by a stranger to stop a terrorist that most likely won't exist is completely ridiculous.
As you can tell, I don't like this, nor do I like the x-ray machine alternative. There has to be some other way to make sure the airports are safe.
However, there's something that is a constant throughout almost any society: The more you're willing to seek security, the more rights you're willing to give up. It sucks, but that's how it seems to be currently.
I'll agree with that. And honestly, I really do agree with most of this but I was just playing the Devil's Advocate. Anyhow, an armed air marshal on every flight would help.
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Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to make everything symmetrical.
I don't know why everyone is so offended by these searches. Hey if it makes me less likely to get blown up on a plane then **** what people think.
This guy right here is 100% correct in anyway because wouldn't you rather get checked then being shot or killed or blown up, this is America we need safety.
No, actually, I would not rather give up my rights than get shot. Security should be up to the individual airlines. If one air line sets rules as ridiculous as the current rules set by the TSA, I would tell the to FOAD and fly with a different airline. Hell, I wouldn't mind flying on a plane that allowed the open carry of weapons. Then at least I know I'd also be armed in the event that someone else tries to hijack the plane.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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It doesn't. You're more at risk for being blown up on the trip to the airport anyway, or standing in the line at security. Why bother blowing up a plane when other things are much easier targets?
Because they're unnecessary violations of privacy that do nothing but make bullying a career. Have you ever had your nuts felt up by a stranger? Have you ever watched an adult grope a child just to make sure they're not carrying explosives with the yield of a pack of firecrackers? Of course you haven't, because then you would understand. It's a degrading and embarrassing process that does absolutely nothing for your safety.
It's a huge waste of time and money that only serves to frighten and bully the public. Worse still most of the time people won't stand up against it because they can't miss their flight. I can't miss a business conference or a much needed vacation just to prove a point.
"He who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."
This guy right here is 100% correct in anyway because wouldn't you rather get checked then being shot or killed or blown up, this is America we need safety.
I suppose you would be happy living inside a box in which you were only able to sleep, eat and defecate when told to?
How would that happen?
What a coincidentally un-American point of view. You've created a false dichotomy. It's not a choice between getting groped or getting injured, which is exactly what the TSA wants you to think: that they're actually protecting you from something. They aren't. Like I said, if someone really wanted to hurt people, they'd do it somewhere else, like at the actual security checkpoint or any other public place. I went through the airport plenty of times before the TSA existed and I never once got shot, maimed, or blown up. I never once needed my rights violated. But who needs the 4th amendment, right?
None. 9/11 went down because at the time no one had really considered the possibility that hijackers would use the aircraft as a weapon, so all it took was a couple of guys with box cutters to take control of the plane. Up until then we believed that compliance with hijackers was the safest option because the plane would be flown to Cuba and everyone would live. Now that people realize hijackers would likely take their own lives for whatever it is they wanted to do, they won't sit idly by and watch. Enhanced screening isn't protecting anyone from anything.
None.
Well actually...
How does being searched compare to total seclusion from the world? It doesn't! It's like the well known phrase "Would you jump off a cliff if your friends did it?"
If you think that is relevant and a good thing to say then you're an idiot, if not and you think it's a stupid thing to say and blown out of proportion then you're a hypocrite.
Except to illustrate how people are giving up personal liberty for "safety". Yeah, I used scare-quotes because you're not actually any safer because of this. You're giving up your rights for no reason. What's scary is that not only are some people complacent about it, but they actually think it's a good idea because they've been brainwashed with threats of violence.
Submit or be blown up.
Thank you for coming to my defense Yourself, I appreciate it.
Yeah, however your freedom can be examined as your choice to fly or not, you don't need to fly. I couldn't care less, I have nothing to hide and wouldn't mind being searched each and every time I fly. It's not as though they are coming into my home and searching me there, or before I get into my car (since my car doesn't hold 50+ passengers and people who get in it usually know me..). You don't have to fly if you don't like it.
But you aren't considering how many of these events they might have deterred because of the searches. Think of it this way, would you attempt to rob a convenience store if you knew everyone inside (clerks and customers) were armed to the teeth with guns? Probably not.
Yeah, if you completely ignore the time it takes to travel and the costs associated with hotel stays and gas on long car trips. Flying isn't merely a convenience, it's an absolute necessity now. So, yeah, the idea that you have the freedom to choose is absolute ********. It's not like people are choosing to fly down to the corner supermarket to pick up a gallon of milk. They're choosing to fly because it's the only way they can get to their destination in a reasonable amount of time.
Okay, fine. I don't have anything to hide but I have a problem with having my testicles moved around by some stranger in an airport in public. I also have a problem with millions of people getting exposed to x-ray radiation from those body scanners. Even with small doses it's enough to end up killing a few more people just because of the sheer number of travelers that are passed through. It's likely they'd end up killing more people than the terrorists they're supposed to stop.
Missing the point. I do have to fly whether I like it or not and there's absolutely no reason that I should have to hate the security measures. I hate the security measures because they're unnecessary, they're not making you or anyone else safer. Metal detectors and the luggage x-ray machines are fine, a compulsory choice between being groped by a TSA officer or being sent through a body scanner so another TSA officer can see me (or anyone else) naked is not fine.
Learn your fourth amendment rights.
That's because there's absolutely no way you could consider that. It's even worse to claim that it's effective at deterring attacks because you have absolutely no evidence to back it up.
Would I care how armed the people were if my intent was to suicide bomb the convenience store?
You don't need to fly. Sorry you just don't need to. For work? Okay go into a different field. For family? Alright too bad you can't see them. Yes there is no evidence of what they've deterred, but could you just consider the possibility? Try responding without getting so upset next time, geeze.
No you wouldn't care if you were going to suicide bomb it, you missed the analogy.
No need to get so upset either. You think what you do, I think what I do. I'm more about freedom than you know, but my views have flexibility. Not trying to start a war here either, sheesh.
Oh geeze guy. its more sarcastic than anything. My point was, you don't need to fly in order to live/survive. it's just as ridiculous as him saying "submit or get blown up".
I am sorry, I don't really know how to say this without coming across as insulting, though that is not my intent, but this reply is ignorant, and illogical. I am not saying you're stupid. However, to say that your better off quitting your job if it requires you to fly? Never seeing your family again? Seriously?
Read my post above. My only point was you don't need to fly in order to live/survive.
As you can tell, I don't like this, nor do I like the x-ray machine alternative. There has to be some other way to make sure the airports are safe.
However, there's something that is a constant throughout almost any society: The more you're willing to seek security, the more rights you're willing to give up. It sucks, but that's how it seems to be currently.
I'll agree with that. And honestly, I really do agree with most of this but I was just playing the Devil's Advocate. Anyhow, an armed air marshal on every flight would help.
No, actually, I would not rather give up my rights than get shot. Security should be up to the individual airlines. If one air line sets rules as ridiculous as the current rules set by the TSA, I would tell the to FOAD and fly with a different airline. Hell, I wouldn't mind flying on a plane that allowed the open carry of weapons. Then at least I know I'd also be armed in the event that someone else tries to hijack the plane.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
--Benjamin Franklin