For all of the younger kids in this thread, a big step you can take to be taken more seriously is to use increase your vocabulary, and improve on your grammar. In an extreme majority of cases the younger audience has terrible grammar, and that can annoy the older crowd, myself included. You can almost always tell if someone is really young by how they type.
Age and maturity have some degree of causation behind it. Maturity is not avoiding acting hyper and moronic, it is about life experiences. If you are young, you do not have the maturity of someone who is an adult by sheer definition of you not having lived long enough. People seem to think "I act polite, that means I am mature". No! That just means you are polite, which is a sign of maturity but it is not maturity.
This is exactly the second point I had in mind, and you articulated it more concisely than I could have. Thanks.
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I'm on a bit of a hiatus from playing Minecraft, so I'm not so active in this forum, either. I still check it though, and participate in a few discussions.
Well there are some 11 year olds that ACT like adults all the time also there are some adults like in there 50's that act like 5 year olds. Just accept that age has nothing to do with maturity.I get it that the brain is still devoloping and stuff but 11 year olds can act like adults its that simple.
Agreed... but what does "acting" imply? it implies "playing a role" rather than being genuinely yourself, doesn't it? Actors/actresses can play their roles well or poorly, but that doesn't ever turn them into the people they are pretending to be, does it?
Being old isn't fun either because responsibilities.
Shoot we should make our own thread. "Why being old isn't fun".
Work
Taxes
Not having your parent's to fall back on
Surprise expenses
Not given the slack in university that one gets in elementary-middle school
Taxes
Having to buy your own food
Having to choose between food and video games
Not having free time
Taxes
I think we got more of a case than someone whining that they cannot access a handful of the 100,000+ servers on these forums alone.
Point I am trying to make is: A sign of maturity is accepting you cannot have everything. There are more ageless servers than there are age restricted, so instead of complaining about not being able to access a minor fraction of servers, apply to those you can access.
Well there are some 11 year olds that ACT like adults all the time also there are some adults like in there 50's that act like 5 year olds. Just accept that age has nothing to do with maturity.I get it that the brain is still devoloping and stuff but 11 year olds can act like adults its that simple.
What is acting like an adult?
Edit: To be more specific, we deny children many rights, privileges & responsibilities since we believe they are incapable of handling them:
-Alcohol
-Driving
-Narcotics
-Voting
-Enlisting
-Etc
So how can a child act like an adult if they do not have the same rights and responsibilities as one? As I pointed out numerous times, politeness is a sign of maturity but it is not maturity. Does your hypothetical 11 year old:
Pay taxes? Hold a job? Have serious responsibility (being a parent, significant other, leading a community group)?
No? Then he doesn't act like an adult.
Edit: Added the post in question where I thought I made this clear.
Still applies ... and young person can act mature (behave in an adult-like way) but they cannot, under the law, be considered to be an adult (both legally and morally). Behaving as an adult does not make them an adult. Adults MUST respect the fact that they are children and cannot, for example, make contracts with them (i.e. exploit them for business purposes), marry them, seduce them, etc. as they might do with other adults... or else they could face very serious legal consequences. It's OK for a child to be a child, but it's generally not OK for an adult to ignore the fact that a child is still a child under the law. When a child lies about being underaged, they can be putting adults at risk of mistaking a child for an adult. A "mature" child (one that accepts their responsibility for being a child) would then, not lie, about being underaged.
Just looking through your post history, the main reason you keep getting denied if because you are applying for positions of responsibility (IE: Moderator, Head Administrator). Very few people will be comfortable entrusting security and community management to someone who hasn't gone through puberty yet (where the mind finishes developing) never mind never even having an actual job before. Try apply for normal positions (like just a regular player) and you will get better luck.
ya us 12 yeer olds are very maeture it is not fair that we are dsiarimeinted against and i think its stupid and dumb im very mature and i dont grief that much so i usualy say white list me or ill hack ur server but nooone listens its not fair
I'm being sarcastic if you didn't realize it earlier.
I'm being sarcastic if you didn't realize it earlier.
Phew. I thought you were serious.
But to all of the kids here, put it in perspective. Sure, maybe sometimes you might not get on a minecraft server because of your age, but compared to the stresses and responsibilities of being an adult, that's nothing. It's just a game, and you can always find other good servers.
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I'm on a bit of a hiatus from playing Minecraft, so I'm not so active in this forum, either. I still check it though, and participate in a few discussions.
As I've said before, the point is to have personal responsibility. You are responsible for your actions, and you must understand, accept, and act on that in order to be mature. Most kids, while they may claim to be responsible or mature, lack the ability to back up that claim. They make errors of judgment, reason, or socializing, and fail to clean up the messes caused by them. The majority of kids that I've seen (quite a lot), when they break friendships, cause disagreements, or cause disruptions, do not apologize (or at least do not actually feel sorry, learn from it, and never do it again), do not try to reform what is broken except to make themselves feel better, and do not take the blame onto themselves, even when it is blatantly obvious that they are at fault.
And while you can act perfectly agreeable and polite, an absence of negative behavior is not maturity. Rather, it's how you act when negative behavior occurs. Any kid can behave. Most kids cannot handle difficult problems of their own making.
On the flip side, age (or more accurately, experience) has something to do with maturity, but correlation does not imply causation. There are mature kids. They're just extremely rare. Barely any claims of maturity by kids are actually true, but it's pretty easy to figure out which ones those are.
I feel your pain, I'm 13 when I filling out registration forum they I always prefer you to be around at least 14. Adults seem to often think that kids are immature and make many assumptions about children even when they haven't even said a word to them. For example, when me and my family went to a restaurant for my 13th b-day, we were ordering our food and the waitress said "Oh, we can bring some mac and cheese or a grilled cheese for the children" I found this discriminating. Don't let this kinda stuff get your down though.
But you are a child (at least, that's what I'm inferring.) I think what you mean is that you hate being talked to condescendingly. Me too.
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I'm on a bit of a hiatus from playing Minecraft, so I'm not so active in this forum, either. I still check it though, and participate in a few discussions.
But to all of the kids here, put it in perspective. Sure, maybe sometimes you might not get on a minecraft server because of your age, but compared to the stresses and responsibilities of being an adult, that's nothing. It's just a game, and you can always find other good servers.
Exactly this. I'd love nothing more than to go back in time four years or so, where I could get up in the morning and play with my friends online all day, then invite them over at night for a LAN game/airsoft war. Nowadays, we're all too busy for that, and we can only hang out together 2-3 times a year, on each of our birthdays. In fact, I didn't even get to have fun on my own birthday last year, since it fell on a day that I had work.
Yes, it sounds like you're being repressed, but you're actually extremely lucky at this point in your lives for being old enough to enjoy a game, and at the same time have little responsibility so you can have more fun. I'd love nothing more than to be thirteen again.
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And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat, that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red, a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord, as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall, and not a soul to hear.
1. Too much energy and enthusiasm. We are drained by our jobs and responsibilities, or are envious of the outlook on life you have, this is a reflection of us, not younger kids. Try not to lose your energy and enthusiasm, it is more valuable than being "a mature adult", we have enough of those.
2. Kids are excited and interested in things that we may have already been done, or no longer find interesting to the oldies. One of the great curses of adulthood is not wanting to walk the same paths over and over.
3. We are fearful of having to deal with "COD kids". People of all ages generally hate trolls, it just seems that kids seem to troll more because that is part of life, learning boundaries. This is not unique to adults as anyone can tell you.
4. As you get older time becomes more valuable as you find you have less and less of it free to do the things you want. This generally makes you a bit narcissistic towards anyone or anything that could waste what little free time you have.
Enjoy the perks of being a kid. There are many pitfalls, and they do suck. There are worse pitfalls as an adult. Enjoy it while it lasts. I know very well that I didn't see it when I was younger, and hated people telling me that, but it is true!
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"It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for the winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. And also he got a racecar. Is any of this getting through to you?"
I would not like to disclose my age but over the years i have found that in every update mojang has to add in new blocks, new mechanics, new food sources. And in a way i find it being directed towards children more. As if they think by adding new things that players will be more interested. If you think about it more and more kids are being dragged into this; and more and more older players are leaving, some band together and form whitelist smp's. I think it is perfectly fine for a age limit, I think it is less about maturity and more about people that are a similar age, someone they can relate to.
You can't think of the age requirement as something that is bad. Here is a hypothetical situation: You are 12 and your 6 year old sibling like the same video games. You play a video game with your 6 year old sibling. How do you feel? Based off a normal 6 year old personality. Would you enjoy it? How about every time you want to play a game your sibling plays with you? That is how the older players feel.
I am not necessarily calling the younger players 6 year olds but some of the 10, 11, 12, 14 and above might relate to this scenario.
It's okay; being a younger player does not make your argument any less valid. Actually, I agree. Players relate to those who are in their age group, and adults often do not have the same characteristics (or even outlook on life) as children.
For all of the younger kids in this thread, a big step you can take to be taken more seriously is to use increase your vocabulary, and improve on your grammar. In an extreme majority of cases the younger audience has terrible grammar, and that can annoy the older crowd, myself included. You can almost always tell if someone is really young by how they type.
~Toast
This is exactly the second point I had in mind, and you articulated it more concisely than I could have. Thanks.
Agreed... but what does "acting" imply? it implies "playing a role" rather than being genuinely yourself, doesn't it? Actors/actresses can play their roles well or poorly, but that doesn't ever turn them into the people they are pretending to be, does it?
Shoot we should make our own thread. "Why being old isn't fun".
I think we got more of a case than someone whining that they cannot access a handful of the 100,000+ servers on these forums alone.
Point I am trying to make is: A sign of maturity is accepting you cannot have everything. There are more ageless servers than there are age restricted, so instead of complaining about not being able to access a minor fraction of servers, apply to those you can access.
Maturity is a lot more than behaviour though as we have already proved:
Were my posts deleted?
~Toast
A mod cleaned up a bit of the posts from yesterday, but your posts from 1000est onwards are still there.
Still applies ... and young person can act mature (behave in an adult-like way) but they cannot, under the law, be considered to be an adult (both legally and morally). Behaving as an adult does not make them an adult. Adults MUST respect the fact that they are children and cannot, for example, make contracts with them (i.e. exploit them for business purposes), marry them, seduce them, etc. as they might do with other adults... or else they could face very serious legal consequences. It's OK for a child to be a child, but it's generally not OK for an adult to ignore the fact that a child is still a child under the law. When a child lies about being underaged, they can be putting adults at risk of mistaking a child for an adult. A "mature" child (one that accepts their responsibility for being a child) would then, not lie, about being underaged.
My posts from just a little bit ago were deleted, if it's going to be that way I'm out. Nice talking to you man.
~Toast
Just looking through your post history, the main reason you keep getting denied if because you are applying for positions of responsibility (IE: Moderator, Head Administrator). Very few people will be comfortable entrusting security and community management to someone who hasn't gone through puberty yet (where the mind finishes developing) never mind never even having an actual job before. Try apply for normal positions (like just a regular player) and you will get better luck.
ya us 12 yeer olds are very maeture it is not fair that we are dsiarimeinted against and i think its stupid and dumb im very mature and i dont grief that much so i usualy say white list me or ill hack ur server but nooone listens its not fair
I'm being sarcastic if you didn't realize it earlier.
Phew. I thought you were serious.
But to all of the kids here, put it in perspective. Sure, maybe sometimes you might not get on a minecraft server because of your age, but compared to the stresses and responsibilities of being an adult, that's nothing. It's just a game, and you can always find other good servers.
As I've said before, the point is to have personal responsibility. You are responsible for your actions, and you must understand, accept, and act on that in order to be mature. Most kids, while they may claim to be responsible or mature, lack the ability to back up that claim. They make errors of judgment, reason, or socializing, and fail to clean up the messes caused by them. The majority of kids that I've seen (quite a lot), when they break friendships, cause disagreements, or cause disruptions, do not apologize (or at least do not actually feel sorry, learn from it, and never do it again), do not try to reform what is broken except to make themselves feel better, and do not take the blame onto themselves, even when it is blatantly obvious that they are at fault.
And while you can act perfectly agreeable and polite, an absence of negative behavior is not maturity. Rather, it's how you act when negative behavior occurs. Any kid can behave. Most kids cannot handle difficult problems of their own making.
On the flip side, age (or more accurately, experience) has something to do with maturity, but correlation does not imply causation. There are mature kids. They're just extremely rare. Barely any claims of maturity by kids are actually true, but it's pretty easy to figure out which ones those are.
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I hate being called children
But you are a child (at least, that's what I'm inferring.) I think what you mean is that you hate being talked to condescendingly. Me too.
Me too.
THE KITTY HAST BEEN RESURRECTED, AND LIVES ONCE MORE!
Exactly this. I'd love nothing more than to go back in time four years or so, where I could get up in the morning and play with my friends online all day, then invite them over at night for a LAN game/airsoft war. Nowadays, we're all too busy for that, and we can only hang out together 2-3 times a year, on each of our birthdays. In fact, I didn't even get to have fun on my own birthday last year, since it fell on a day that I had work.
Yes, it sounds like you're being repressed, but you're actually extremely lucky at this point in your lives for being old enough to enjoy a game, and at the same time have little responsibility so you can have more fun. I'd love nothing more than to be thirteen again.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat, that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red, a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord, as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall, and not a soul to hear.
My opinions on the matter:
Reasons why adults are cautious about kids:
1. Too much energy and enthusiasm. We are drained by our jobs and responsibilities, or are envious of the outlook on life you have, this is a reflection of us, not younger kids. Try not to lose your energy and enthusiasm, it is more valuable than being "a mature adult", we have enough of those.
2. Kids are excited and interested in things that we may have already been done, or no longer find interesting to the oldies. One of the great curses of adulthood is not wanting to walk the same paths over and over.
3. We are fearful of having to deal with "COD kids". People of all ages generally hate trolls, it just seems that kids seem to troll more because that is part of life, learning boundaries. This is not unique to adults as anyone can tell you.
4. As you get older time becomes more valuable as you find you have less and less of it free to do the things you want. This generally makes you a bit narcissistic towards anyone or anything that could waste what little free time you have.
Enjoy the perks of being a kid. There are many pitfalls, and they do suck. There are worse pitfalls as an adult. Enjoy it while it lasts. I know very well that I didn't see it when I was younger, and hated people telling me that, but it is true!
"It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for the winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. And also he got a racecar. Is any of this getting through to you?"
i feel your pain
I scored 36% on the Minecraft Trivia Quiz. How much do you know about Minecraft?
It's okay; being a younger player does not make your argument any less valid. Actually, I agree. Players relate to those who are in their age group, and adults often do not have the same characteristics (or even outlook on life) as children.