Are you truly suggesting it's better to allow "potential customers" (not my words) to wallow in ignorance, believing that FortressCraft is little more than a 'HD texture pack for Minecraft', than to try and let people see that it's its own game? I don't understand that train of logic, I truly don't.
Plus who says this is a forum of people I hate? It's a forum of people who hate ME, perhaps, but not with good reason, I suspect.
You'll get more potential customers if you try to actually be calm and not insult your potential customers. Also, it's quite obvious that you're not fond of the people here.
Before you ask, I just compiled a list on insults in this thread.
Uh, you managed to get very confused in your rant, and start talking about mods? Really? On the Xbox? Try and keep a little grounded, eh!
really makes people look stupid
linked the crappy water shader mod
So, please, tell me what your logical and reasoned arguments are, if indeed they are even on the same topic as mine!
Well, you tell me which appears to be better suited for creative builds, the left, or the right! (Insulting the product itself)
The saddest thing is that I have a horrible feeling you truly don't believe that you're being hypocritical, nor exhibiting the most bizarre and flimsy double-standard.
any build Minecraft can do, FortressCraft can do with exactly 512 times more detail. (insulting the product itself again)
Honestly, I feel like I'm dealing with the most blinkered people in history.
You are a prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet today. You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, yet you put your completely incorrect crap up as fact.
might I suggest that you have lead a very sheltered life
Fair enough, thank you for your response. As with most things the initial impression is what tends to stick with us, perhaps I was quick to judge. However, It truly is good to see such passion in a game developer. With a lot of the huge 'game' conglomerates now a days, we don't often get to see the true developers who are often silenced and hidden behind suits and marketers with their double speak. That is one reason I love independent game makers vs what triple A games have become today. It's a joy to see many gamers are gravitating towards Independent game makers. The independents still get it, for them it's still for the love of the game. Along with a living of course, but the underlying passion is still there.
To answer the original OP, there seems to be no reason both can't exist. I'm sure both have their own strengths and weaknesses just like every other game within their respective genres. I still like the clones vs copies debate at the beginning of this thread. Thank you all for some good thought provoking bits to ponder.
Before you ask, I just compiled a list on insults in this thread.
If I compiled a list of every insult the Dev has received for putting his game out there, you would be absolutely horrified. People just spout out insults over the internet and think it's okay, and it's not. He's put over 15 months of work into this game, if he was in it for just the money and to copy minecraft, he would have moved on a looonng time ago.
If I compiled a list of every insult the Dev has received for putting his game out there, you would be absolutely horrified. People just spout out insults over the internet and think it's okay, and it's not. He's put over 15 months of work into this game, if he was in it for just the money and to copy minecraft, he would have moved on a looonng time ago.
I'm absolutely aware that the creator has been harassed. So now being harassed justifies being a complete ass to other people?
I once threatened a kid when I was in grade four for harassing me every day and even I know that my actions weren't justified!
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You're telling me that asking people which they think is better suited for creative builds is an INSULT?
I take it back. Apparently I insult everyone, every day, with almost everything I said.
However, as opposed to your ad hominem attacks, which quite frankly I can do without after the amount of daily abuse I receive, how about we look at the thread title, which is about FortressCraft; not personal attacks on me.
And just so we're clear what the picture is of:
So, I'll repeat the question :
Which appears to be better suited for creative builds, the left side, or the right side?
I'd say neither because I don't play either nor do I care about them. You are asking a question of opinion to me and I have no opinion for either,
I asked the question of why it is you let their criticism get to you and suddenly I'm harassing you. I see no reason to continue this because you appear to be an irrational person that can only insult the arguements of other people. Good day, sir. I wish you luck in your future endeavers. Have a nice day and a nice summer. And I'm being sincere with that, not sarcastic.
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Uh, you managed to get very confused in your rant, and start talking about mods? Really? On the Xbox? Try and keep a little grounded, eh!
". I'm sure if you head over the the Screenshots section you'll find some pretty damn awesome builds there that looks identical to those Fortresscraft images, really this doesn't help you get your point across it just makes you look like a huge asshole."
My point is absolutely proven; Minecraft cannot do the quality of builds listed in that image. This isn't a point for discussion, this is a fact. Minecraft-on-the-PC is moddable ("hackable"), and you can do certain things. However, the enormous drawbacks of mods really doesn't help your case.
As I've said before, ranting on about how 'Oh, yeah, FortressCraft is better, but there are mods to do these things!" really makes people look stupid. There are *probably* mods to do *similar* things to every aspect of FortressCraft (probably); but there's certainly no way to get all of them. Things like the Little Blocks mod don't even come close, for instance - and especially not on the Xbox!
And, as I have also said before; "Hey, Diablo III is awesome! But, you know, you could do that in Minecraft using mods". Completely true; but completely stupid.
Hahahahhahaha wow fail^^
Dude I never player fortress craft but after reading the dev's comments I dont plan on playing it at all, this guy is a jerk
You're telling me that asking people which they think is better suited for creative builds is an INSULT?
I take it back. Apparently I insult everyone, every day, with almost everything I said.
However, as opposed to your ad hominem attacks, which quite frankly I can do without after the amount of daily abuse I receive, how about we look at the thread title, which is about FortressCraft; not personal attacks on me.
And just so we're clear what the picture is of:
So, I'll repeat the question :
Which appears to be better suited for creative builds, the left side, or the right side?
HAHAHHAHAHA!!! the one that came first you flippin idiot how can you compare minecraft to your dirty trash.
I dont remeber you sayibng which looks better, I remember you saying which appears better suited for creative builds, You choose two pictures of minecraft builds that were well kinda crappy and two really good FC screens. I think you know that there are ALOT better minecraft builds but you choose those. and how do you think what you did was not an insult what if someone compared 2 really good minecraft screens with horrbile FC screen on your forums and asked people which were better? I'm sure you wouldn't be too happy lad
Well, fortresscraft may be better with making more "realistic" builds, but minecraft is slightly more creative with the ability to mess around with redstone, which means moats that can be opened and closed, secret doorways, and different songs with note blocks.
No, there has never, ever been a sandbox game with a story or ending... except Grand Theft Auto... and Saints Row... and Red Dead Redemption... and Crack Down... and Assassins Creed...
Are you mistakenly under the impression that the Minecraft buildings are procedurally generated? They're just inserted prefabs. But you appear to have avoided agreeing that you're mistaken by focussing on the wrong thing. Please, please, load up Minecraft, preferably the 360 version, and attempt to build a better cathedral/house/village than shown in the right. I assure you it's not possible; ergo, FortressCraft is better for creative builds than Minecraft.
Dude, just look around. There are minecraft builds that look just as good, and many that are better, than the fortress stuff you have there
As I've indicated before, those images on the left are from Mojang, and are created ingame, thus can be deemed to be a sensible level of quality. IF you think you can find similar builds of better quality, please do let me know.
But as I've said before; anything that Minecraft can do, with it's 1m3 blocks, FortressCraft can achieve with over 512 times more quality. This isn't hyperbole, this is fact. If you *can* come up with a better fireplace or chimney or spiral staircase in Minecraft, FortressCraft's engine and interface can attack it at a much, much higher level of quality, with better atmospherics and surface shaders, to boot!
Minecraft is a 16 bit game (normally) but if you get the hd patcher and that photo realism **** it can look just as good as fortress
Since when did anyone care about the level of "atmospheric and surface shaders" in minecraft??! Its ****in Minecraft!! XD
So I come across this thread by complete accident. Never having heard about Fortresscraft, I begin reading this with an open mind. There is some good discussion about 'clones' and 'copies'. However after reading the comments by this guy that is supposed to be the main developer, wow. Not interested in a game made by someone who would rather insult then educate about their product. Let alone do it on a competitors forum, regardless if it's in off-topic or not. You certainly have a right to defend your game and correct misconceptions. But to insult any possible new customers is lame and any possible interest at least for me is gone. Seems you're happy with what you've sold so far, that is great. Insulting those who may not understand some things or might be interested in this game, even indirectly, might get you some word of mouth, but mostly for the wrong reasons.
At the time I started reading this thread it only had a little over 1600 views. Not a lot especially in a huge forum like this. Still enough for someone like me who had never heard of this game yet have a huge interest in this genre overall to want to check this thread out. If you are indeed the real developer for this, you may want to reassess how you react to threads like this and educate your potential customers. Good luck to you, sir.
I would be OK if the creator atleast admitted he got a little inspiration from Minecraft, but instead he denies any relation to Minecraft and insults Minecraft, Mojang, and fans.
I think you're wrong on three accounts.
1.) He admits that he played minecraft but when they started nerfing mob traps is when he got fed up and started on fortresscraft.
2.) He doesn't insult minecraft I have watched several interviews and I heard no where that is insults minecraft.
3.) No he doesn't He states that Notch got very lucky.
4.) You're right. He does but the only fans he insults are the rabid 12 year olds who think Notch is the greatest thing since bacon.
Finally back in the day when doom was released any game that played like doom was called a doom clone. That genre evolved into First person shooter. We are on the start of a new genre for know it's called minecraft clone and will remain until someone comes up with a good name.
No, there has never, ever been a sandbox game with a story or ending... except Grand Theft Auto... and Saints Row... and Red Dead Redemption... and Crack Down... and Assassins Creed...
Anyways, I honestly could care less. I play Minecraft, it's a fun game, I have a Fortresscraft trial, it's a fun game, I bought Totalminer, it's a fun game, I have a Castleminer trial, it's a fun game, you get where I'm going.
Anyways, we have no reason to compare any of those games, they are all different, while still in the same genre, it's like comparing Saints Row 3 to Grand Theft Auto 4.
No, there has never, ever been a sandbox game with a story or ending... except Grand Theft Auto... and Saints Row... and Red Dead Redemption... and Crack Down... and Assassins Creed...
You'll get more potential customers if you try to actually be calm and not insult your potential customers. Also, it's quite obvious that you're not fond of the people here.
Before you ask, I just compiled a list on insults in this thread.
It's copied minecraft a good deal but at the end of the day prettymuch EVERYONE has copied SOMEONE.
You think notch invented zombies and spiders?
To answer the original OP, there seems to be no reason both can't exist. I'm sure both have their own strengths and weaknesses just like every other game within their respective genres. I still like the clones vs copies debate at the beginning of this thread. Thank you all for some good thought provoking bits to ponder.
If I compiled a list of every insult the Dev has received for putting his game out there, you would be absolutely horrified. People just spout out insults over the internet and think it's okay, and it's not. He's put over 15 months of work into this game, if he was in it for just the money and to copy minecraft, he would have moved on a looonng time ago.
I'm absolutely aware that the creator has been harassed. So now being harassed justifies being a complete ass to other people?
I once threatened a kid when I was in grade four for harassing me every day and even I know that my actions weren't justified!
I'd say neither because I don't play either nor do I care about them. You are asking a question of opinion to me and I have no opinion for either,
I asked the question of why it is you let their criticism get to you and suddenly I'm harassing you. I see no reason to continue this because you appear to be an irrational person that can only insult the arguements of other people. Good day, sir. I wish you luck in your future endeavers. Have a nice day and a nice summer. And I'm being sincere with that, not sarcastic.
Hahahahhahaha wow fail^^
Dude I never player fortress craft but after reading the dev's comments I dont plan on playing it at all, this guy is a jerk HAHAHHAHAHA!!! the one that came first you flippin idiot how can you compare minecraft to your dirty trash.
Funny!! Maybe I should correct myself: The game that came first and is still creative is better!
That's a pretty good looking video.
Dude, just look around. There are minecraft builds that look just as good, and many that are better, than the fortress stuff you have there
Minecraft is a 16 bit game (normally) but if you get the hd patcher and that photo realism **** it can look just as good as fortress
Since when did anyone care about the level of "atmospheric and surface shaders" in minecraft??! Its ****in Minecraft!! XD
Can i get an AMEN??
Minecraft Fortresscraft
Creative |Only Creative
+Survival |
Has mods| No mods
Has mobs| No mobs
Kicks ass | Decent
Minecraft > FortressCraft
Sorry man Minecraft kicks more ass. Your game does rock but Minecraft kicks more ass. So don't be so butt hurt about it.
(Also your game is a GIANT ripoff of an awesome game)
1.) He admits that he played minecraft but when they started nerfing mob traps is when he got fed up and started on fortresscraft.
2.) He doesn't insult minecraft I have watched several interviews and I heard no where that is insults minecraft.
3.) No he doesn't He states that Notch got very lucky.
4.) You're right. He does but the only fans he insults are the rabid 12 year olds who think Notch is the greatest thing since bacon.
Finally back in the day when doom was released any game that played like doom was called a doom clone. That genre evolved into First person shooter. We are on the start of a new genre for know it's called minecraft clone and will remain until someone comes up with a good name.
Voxel game? Block game? BBS (block-based sandbox)?
Oh, the puns!
Anyways, I honestly could care less. I play Minecraft, it's a fun game, I have a Fortresscraft trial, it's a fun game, I bought Totalminer, it's a fun game, I have a Castleminer trial, it's a fun game, you get where I'm going.
Anyways, we have no reason to compare any of those games, they are all different, while still in the same genre, it's like comparing Saints Row 3 to Grand Theft Auto 4.
Which one?
Speelf is a mini game that minecraft players came up with in Classic
I'm pretty sure it came from Blockland, actually.
really i never knew that people played spleef in blockland