That and the fact that the Crusades were like pay-day for the Venetians, 'cause that's when crusaders came asking for loans and ships. In the end Venice was collecting debts like a boss.
Oooh, that's another thing. Supposedly Venetian citizens had compulsory crossbow training. And I've read that contrary to popular belief, Venice's ground forces were almost as (if not as) good as their naval forces.
Map/Territory:
The light orange on the map, as well as control of various trade centres around the Mediterranean.
Leader:
Doge Aurelio Cingolani
History/Bio:
Pisa had managed to make it's way up to the position of the fifth wealthiest country in all of Europe, and had been granted complete control over Corsica and Sardina by the Pope, after making an appeal, due to the constant warring over the territories by Pisa and Genoa. This of course angered their long-time rivals in Genoa, and caused tensions between the two to rise drastically. Within five years, they were once again at war, despite Pisa having been granted the islands by the pope himself.
Over the duration of the next six years, the Genoese war over Corsica would continue to be fought out, with neither side really making any gains or losses. That was, of course, until the Pope called for an end to it. Pisa was ready to lower their arms at the command of the Pope, but Genoa didn't seem to think the same way. The war would continue, but Genoa would have a new enemy joining in this time. The Holy Roman Emperor was now at Genoa's doorstep, with an army at least three times the size of Genoas. With no other choices, Genoa had to surrender, and was forced into signing an agreement that they would keep their merchants out of Pisa's centers of trade, while Pisa could still have their own merchants in Genoese centers of trade. On top of that, Genoa had to give up many oversea ports and cities to Pisa.
For the years following the end of the war, Pisa would enjoy their increased success and new found wealth. This bumped them up to the position of the fifth wealthiest country in Europe. They had centers of trade all throughout the Mediterranean and had merchants in various other wealthy centers such as those belonging to Venice. After a while, Pisa and Venice began to have various disagreements over these centers and the Pisan Doge worried that if their relations with Venice dropped too low, there would be a risk of them allying with Genoa, and the two working together against Pisa. In order to prevent this, the Pisan government began to work of a draft that they would then send to Venice.
By the summer of 1080, the proposal had been written up, and was taken to Venice, where it was agreed to, under the conditions that Pisa would aid int he Venetian naval campaigns for Corfu and Crete. While the Aegean Sea wasn't somewhere Pisa had intended to meddle in, losing the agreement would be far worse, so Pisa had no choice to agree. In 1081, Pisa and Venice took Corfu in Crete, after which the deal was solidified. In order to keep relations between the two countries stable, Pisa and Venice would stop sending merchants to each others centers of trade. This would prove to be beneficial for both countries in the following years, and continue for years to come.
After this, Pisa continued to benefit greatly, sending merchants as far North as France. They would maintain their position as the third wealthiest country, while actively helping in the crusades. While they would personally help by sending soldiers, they also made a profit by using their spare ships to ferry soldiers from other, more prominent countries over, which increased those countries manpower. This was a small part as to why the crusade was so successful.
In 1200, Genoa would again declare war on Pisa, this time sending the majority Navy in one attack. Pisa responded by sending the majority of their own, which outnumbered the Genoese navy 2:1. The battle was fought out in one day, and resulted in 75% of the Genoese navy either being sunk, or ships being captured, which helped the Pisans only lose about 23% of their ships in the end. Genoa was forced once again to surrender the next day, this time having to give up control of every single trade center it owned, not counting it's home center. They were also banned from entering any of Pisa's centers, new and old.
Pisa now looks to use Genoas many unjust declarations of war against them, in order to gain their enemy's homeland for themselves. Pisa has been training soldiers for the last ten years specifically for this invasion, which they wish to go as smoothly as possible. Pisa has yet to actually declare war, but it is only a matter of time. They are readying their armies, and their ships are being prepared. They plan to end the constant warring with Genoa in one massive attack. While, if successful, this conquest will be a great gain for them, the money used to fund it left a dent large enough to bump them down to rank 4, putting it out of the list of the three richest European nations.
Royal Family
Doge Aurelio Cingolani
Dogessa Marcella Cingolani
(H)Aurelio Congolani II
Gianni Cingolani
Gilberto CIngolani
Nicoletta Cingolani
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Thar we go. Pisa app done. With enough background to provide an alternate history with Genoa, keeping their relationship of hating each other in tact
Ain't about nationalism so much as necessity. Venice is able to produce more ships in a shorter amount of time than pretty much anyone. If he wants to build a shipyard the size of Venice's Arsenal in hopes of one day being able to supply Byzantine with its own ships, he can try, but right now the Arsenal is the biggest shipyard around. Everyone gets ships from there, and for a reason. Venetian ships were the best of the best. It wouldn't be wise for the Byzantine Empire to spend an unnecessary amount of money and resources on a pipe dream. Even if you don't build a shipyard like Venice's and instead decide to use your existing shipyards, the ships produced in those shipyards will never be anywhere near the level of quality of Venetian ships. And if he does decide to build a shipyard like Venice's, he'd be wasting so much money and resources it'd turn the Empire on its head.
This would also be seen as potential competition (It's a pipe dream to begin with, but this is on the chance the Byzantines succeeded in building a shipyard like Venice's). Venice would probably stop supplying you with ships and stop to watch you dig your own grave. Then you'd be out of money AND out of ships at a time where you'd need them most.
There is a reason the Empire gets ships from Venice. It has to do with everything from quality, efficiency/speed at which their built, to the fact that Venice has a ton of resources to build them with (the Arsenal has its own private area from which to gather wood).
So, Then what the hell does Genoa have going for it?
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That's three mass invasions within the same bloody month! I mean, seriously! The UDTU is attacking now, Blue has a sleeper attack coming soon, and now an invasion by space pirates? What is this, Russia if every american-made FPS happened at once?! - MagicallyDwarven
Well, Genoa and Pisa did constantly fight, and one always sucked. SO I just flipped it for the alternate reality portion. And Genoa can always have French allies. Get the French to make the big attack by Pisa fail.
History/Bio: In 1138 the testament of Boleslav III was acted on after his death, splintering the Kingdom of Poland into Seven provinces, with two central ones being denoted to the eldest of his sons. While the rest of the sons were governing their provinces Wladyslaw II was gathering political and military clout with the backing of the Holy Roman Empire. In 1142, only four years later Wladyslaw II had a military in reserves, and had all his brothers invited over to his castle and promptly executed, while also making a political move for the rest of the provinces, with the Holy Roman Empire helping the military side of the coup. By 1143 Wladyslaw had a presence in every polish province, and solidified his rule over the kingdom of Poland.
In the next twenty years Wladyslaw II strengthed the borders, Appeased Silesian surfs and generally kept the country together. He gave birth to one sole heir, Aleksander, who took the throne in 1176, trying to continue his father's rule failed to a point. After marrying a Silesian princess out of obligation he had infighting with his inlaws, creating divides between a some provinces. Finally towards the end of his reign there were definite unrest and rifts between the provinces. In 1215 his eldest sone Adalbert the first acsended the throne.
With rifts and unrest between the provinces, Adalbert looked towards the crusades for a form of order and in the effort of trying to restore peace emulated the military orders of the crusades, creating the Postanowienie Polski which directly translated to english means: "Order of Poland" A order of knights who traveled in and around Poland, keeping the peace and solving the issues of the kingdom, operating within the law of the king, but with the ability to exercise the long arm of the law easier.
With the kingdom of Poland at rest, with the Silesian province in the south feeling insulted and unrest and lawlessness in the north. The future of Poland is uncertain.
So, I plan on playing not only as Adalbert but as the Order of Poland, So this is essentially a first draft, Any comments feedback or pointing out that historically this makes no fudging sense greatly appreciated.
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That's three mass invasions within the same bloody month! I mean, seriously! The UDTU is attacking now, Blue has a sleeper attack coming soon, and now an invasion by space pirates? What is this, Russia if every american-made FPS happened at once?! - MagicallyDwarven
History/Bio: The history of the Kingdom of Sicily began around 999-1017 AD, as various Normans arrived in Mezziogiorno, typically working as mercenaries. These various groups swiftly established their own fiefs, and expanded rapidly.
Eventually, these groups unified, and seeking to take the ducal title of Sicily, they were lead by two brothers. Robert Guiscard, and Roger Bosso. (Later King Roger I of Sicily) This conflict began in 1061 with the two and their armies crossing to Sicily from Calabria and immediately began a siege on Messina, with the intention of gaining control of the strait. The brothers pushed inland, easily defeating the Saracens that did not side with them. However, they could not surmount the fortress known as Castrogiovanni, and they, but not before fortifying their holdings in Sicily.
Robert returned in 1064, bypassing the fortress, he went on to besiege the city of Palermo, however his camp was infested by tarantulas, and it had to be called off. He would return in 1071, capturing the city of Palermo, and its citadel would fall just a year later. Robert split up Sicily with his brother, forming the County of Sicily, which was slightly more than half of the island. Just a few years later, Roger continued the war and conquered the rest of Sicily.
Over the next few years, various sees had been set up across the island, specifically in Palermo, Syracuse, and Agrigento.
In 1091, Malta would fall under Sicilian influence, regularly paying tribute to the Sicilians. This was followed by Malta becoming a part of the Sicilian kingdom. Following that, the Sicilians would eventually conquer the Duchy of Naples in 1130. In that same year, the current Antipope Anacletus II crowned Roger II as the king of Sicily.
Constance of Sicily, the daughter of Roger II, and wife of the Holy Roman Emperor, Henry VI, would have several children, though Frederick II of Sicily would never be born, and the Hohenstaufens would not come to power in Sicily, instead the house of Hauteville would remain in power.
The rest of the 1100’s were generally not very major in terms of events for Sicilians, except for the Third Crusade. The Sicilians served as transportation, albeit, not often and only a few minor crusading parties used Sicilian boats to get to the Holy Land.
King Alessio I was crowned in 1180, by the archbishop of Palermo. His reign saw the improvement of roads across the kingdom, as well as other infrastructure. He also had a rather peaceful policy, and generally stayed on amicable terms with the rest of Italy, and on okay terms with the Byzantines out of fear that they might try to retake south Italy. King Alessio I died in the year of 1215, wherein he was buried in Palermo. Just a few days later, February 19th, King Alessio II was proclaimed king of Sicily. Much like his father, he liked to stay on amicable terms with other Italian nations. However, he felt a strong degree of disdain for the Byzantines, and rather disliked the heretical Orthodox faith.
He instituted some religious reforms, specifically the “Reformatio Ecclesiae Siculae.” Or rather, The Reformation of the Sicilian churches as it was known.
Orthodox churches were to convert to Catholicism, and Orthodox citizens had to pay an extra tax every year when taxes were due. As would be expected, this shook up the sense of tolerance on Sicily that had been there since before the Kingdom, as Greeks, Italians, and Saracens had existed in relative peace, and tolerated each other’s faith.
Alessio II was a fervent supporter of the Crusades, and has since had ambition to drive the Saracens from Iberia, as well as to help protect the Holy Land. Now, in 1225, he stands as a respected king with a strong base of support in the homeland, and ready to strike out into the Holy Land, or Iberia.
Yo Tex, you need to read other people's apps and look at the map to make sure you don't contradict anything. Corfu was captured by Venice in 1081 (along with Crete), so you can't have that. And I think Durrazzo is also Venice's.
I only skimmed through though, 'cause I just got home, so I don't know if there's anything else contradictory.
Yo Tex, you need to read other people's apps and look at the map to make sure you don't contradict anything. Corfu was captured by Venice in 1081 (along with Crete), so you can't have that. And I think Durrazzo is also Venice's.
I only skimmed through though, 'cause I just got home, so I don't know if there's anything else contradictory.
Anything wrong with mine?
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That's three mass invasions within the same bloody month! I mean, seriously! The UDTU is attacking now, Blue has a sleeper attack coming soon, and now an invasion by space pirates? What is this, Russia if every american-made FPS happened at once?! - MagicallyDwarven
I don't think so. not besides the fact you shuld have just made an app focusing on the organization rather than Poland itself.
I wanted to play as the government of Poland also, But I think I'd go stir crazy playing politics all the time.
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That's three mass invasions within the same bloody month! I mean, seriously! The UDTU is attacking now, Blue has a sleeper attack coming soon, and now an invasion by space pirates? What is this, Russia if every american-made FPS happened at once?! - MagicallyDwarven
Whiteblade can be in too if he so chooses, but it is important to remember that choosing Poland isolates quite a bit.
I really just want to play as Poland for two reasons:
A. I can leave for periods of time without screwing you guys over, and I have my own struggle to fight
B. I get to play as an order of god damn knights.
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That's three mass invasions within the same bloody month! I mean, seriously! The UDTU is attacking now, Blue has a sleeper attack coming soon, and now an invasion by space pirates? What is this, Russia if every american-made FPS happened at once?! - MagicallyDwarven
This is a pre-industrial society, so something as simple as controlling sea routes can put you on top real easily.
That and the fact that the Crusades were like pay-day for the Venetians, 'cause that's when crusaders came asking for loans and ships. In the end Venice was collecting debts like a boss.
There's a post idea for you.
So come at me, anyone.
The Republic of Pisa
Map/Territory:
The light orange on the map, as well as control of various trade centres around the Mediterranean.
Leader:
Doge Aurelio Cingolani
History/Bio:
Pisa had managed to make it's way up to the position of the fifth wealthiest country in all of Europe, and had been granted complete control over Corsica and Sardina by the Pope, after making an appeal, due to the constant warring over the territories by Pisa and Genoa. This of course angered their long-time rivals in Genoa, and caused tensions between the two to rise drastically. Within five years, they were once again at war, despite Pisa having been granted the islands by the pope himself.
Over the duration of the next six years, the Genoese war over Corsica would continue to be fought out, with neither side really making any gains or losses. That was, of course, until the Pope called for an end to it. Pisa was ready to lower their arms at the command of the Pope, but Genoa didn't seem to think the same way. The war would continue, but Genoa would have a new enemy joining in this time. The Holy Roman Emperor was now at Genoa's doorstep, with an army at least three times the size of Genoas. With no other choices, Genoa had to surrender, and was forced into signing an agreement that they would keep their merchants out of Pisa's centers of trade, while Pisa could still have their own merchants in Genoese centers of trade. On top of that, Genoa had to give up many oversea ports and cities to Pisa.
For the years following the end of the war, Pisa would enjoy their increased success and new found wealth. This bumped them up to the position of the fifth wealthiest country in Europe. They had centers of trade all throughout the Mediterranean and had merchants in various other wealthy centers such as those belonging to Venice. After a while, Pisa and Venice began to have various disagreements over these centers and the Pisan Doge worried that if their relations with Venice dropped too low, there would be a risk of them allying with Genoa, and the two working together against Pisa. In order to prevent this, the Pisan government began to work of a draft that they would then send to Venice.
By the summer of 1080, the proposal had been written up, and was taken to Venice, where it was agreed to, under the conditions that Pisa would aid int he Venetian naval campaigns for Corfu and Crete. While the Aegean Sea wasn't somewhere Pisa had intended to meddle in, losing the agreement would be far worse, so Pisa had no choice to agree. In 1081, Pisa and Venice took Corfu in Crete, after which the deal was solidified. In order to keep relations between the two countries stable, Pisa and Venice would stop sending merchants to each others centers of trade. This would prove to be beneficial for both countries in the following years, and continue for years to come.
After this, Pisa continued to benefit greatly, sending merchants as far North as France. They would maintain their position as the third wealthiest country, while actively helping in the crusades. While they would personally help by sending soldiers, they also made a profit by using their spare ships to ferry soldiers from other, more prominent countries over, which increased those countries manpower. This was a small part as to why the crusade was so successful.
In 1200, Genoa would again declare war on Pisa, this time sending the majority Navy in one attack. Pisa responded by sending the majority of their own, which outnumbered the Genoese navy 2:1. The battle was fought out in one day, and resulted in 75% of the Genoese navy either being sunk, or ships being captured, which helped the Pisans only lose about 23% of their ships in the end. Genoa was forced once again to surrender the next day, this time having to give up control of every single trade center it owned, not counting it's home center. They were also banned from entering any of Pisa's centers, new and old.
Pisa now looks to use Genoas many unjust declarations of war against them, in order to gain their enemy's homeland for themselves. Pisa has been training soldiers for the last ten years specifically for this invasion, which they wish to go as smoothly as possible. Pisa has yet to actually declare war, but it is only a matter of time. They are readying their armies, and their ships are being prepared. They plan to end the constant warring with Genoa in one massive attack. While, if successful, this conquest will be a great gain for them, the money used to fund it left a dent large enough to bump them down to rank 4, putting it out of the list of the three richest European nations.
Royal Family
Doge Aurelio Cingolani
Dogessa Marcella Cingolani
(H)Aurelio Congolani II
Gianni Cingolani
Gilberto CIngolani
Nicoletta Cingolani
======================================
Thar we go. Pisa app done. With enough background to provide an alternate history with Genoa, keeping their relationship of hating each other in tact
~DED
So, Then what the hell does Genoa have going for it?
~DED
Map/Territory: http://i.imgur.com/LinE0V0.jpg
Leader: Adalbert I
History/Bio:
In 1138 the testament of Boleslav III was acted on after his death, splintering the Kingdom of Poland into Seven provinces, with two central ones being denoted to the eldest of his sons. While the rest of the sons were governing their provinces Wladyslaw II was gathering political and military clout with the backing of the Holy Roman Empire. In 1142, only four years later Wladyslaw II had a military in reserves, and had all his brothers invited over to his castle and promptly executed, while also making a political move for the rest of the provinces, with the Holy Roman Empire helping the military side of the coup. By 1143 Wladyslaw had a presence in every polish province, and solidified his rule over the kingdom of Poland.
In the next twenty years Wladyslaw II strengthed the borders, Appeased Silesian surfs and generally kept the country together. He gave birth to one sole heir, Aleksander, who took the throne in 1176, trying to continue his father's rule failed to a point. After marrying a Silesian princess out of obligation he had infighting with his inlaws, creating divides between a some provinces. Finally towards the end of his reign there were definite unrest and rifts between the provinces. In 1215 his eldest sone Adalbert the first acsended the throne.
With rifts and unrest between the provinces, Adalbert looked towards the crusades for a form of order and in the effort of trying to restore peace emulated the military orders of the crusades, creating the Postanowienie Polski which directly translated to english means: "Order of Poland" A order of knights who traveled in and around Poland, keeping the peace and solving the issues of the kingdom, operating within the law of the king, but with the ability to exercise the long arm of the law easier.
With the kingdom of Poland at rest, with the Silesian province in the south feeling insulted and unrest and lawlessness in the north. The future of Poland is uncertain.
So, I plan on playing not only as Adalbert but as the Order of Poland, So this is essentially a first draft, Any comments feedback or pointing out that historically this makes no fudging sense greatly appreciated.
Map/Territory: The brownish orange on the map.
Leader: King Alessio II di Hauteville.
History/Bio: The history of the Kingdom of Sicily began around 999-1017 AD, as various Normans arrived in Mezziogiorno, typically working as mercenaries. These various groups swiftly established their own fiefs, and expanded rapidly.
Eventually, these groups unified, and seeking to take the ducal title of Sicily, they were lead by two brothers. Robert Guiscard, and Roger Bosso. (Later King Roger I of Sicily) This conflict began in 1061 with the two and their armies crossing to Sicily from Calabria and immediately began a siege on Messina, with the intention of gaining control of the strait. The brothers pushed inland, easily defeating the Saracens that did not side with them. However, they could not surmount the fortress known as Castrogiovanni, and they, but not before fortifying their holdings in Sicily.
Robert returned in 1064, bypassing the fortress, he went on to besiege the city of Palermo, however his camp was infested by tarantulas, and it had to be called off. He would return in 1071, capturing the city of Palermo, and its citadel would fall just a year later. Robert split up Sicily with his brother, forming the County of Sicily, which was slightly more than half of the island. Just a few years later, Roger continued the war and conquered the rest of Sicily.
Over the next few years, various sees had been set up across the island, specifically in Palermo, Syracuse, and Agrigento.
In 1091, Malta would fall under Sicilian influence, regularly paying tribute to the Sicilians. This was followed by Malta becoming a part of the Sicilian kingdom. Following that, the Sicilians would eventually conquer the Duchy of Naples in 1130. In that same year, the current Antipope Anacletus II crowned Roger II as the king of Sicily.
Constance of Sicily, the daughter of Roger II, and wife of the Holy Roman Emperor, Henry VI, would have several children, though Frederick II of Sicily would never be born, and the Hohenstaufens would not come to power in Sicily, instead the house of Hauteville would remain in power.
The rest of the 1100’s were generally not very major in terms of events for Sicilians, except for the Third Crusade. The Sicilians served as transportation, albeit, not often and only a few minor crusading parties used Sicilian boats to get to the Holy Land.
King Alessio I was crowned in 1180, by the archbishop of Palermo. His reign saw the improvement of roads across the kingdom, as well as other infrastructure. He also had a rather peaceful policy, and generally stayed on amicable terms with the rest of Italy, and on okay terms with the Byzantines out of fear that they might try to retake south Italy. King Alessio I died in the year of 1215, wherein he was buried in Palermo. Just a few days later, February 19th, King Alessio II was proclaimed king of Sicily. Much like his father, he liked to stay on amicable terms with other Italian nations. However, he felt a strong degree of disdain for the Byzantines, and rather disliked the heretical Orthodox faith.
He instituted some religious reforms, specifically the “Reformatio Ecclesiae Siculae.” Or rather, The Reformation of the Sicilian churches as it was known.
Orthodox churches were to convert to Catholicism, and Orthodox citizens had to pay an extra tax every year when taxes were due. As would be expected, this shook up the sense of tolerance on Sicily that had been there since before the Kingdom, as Greeks, Italians, and Saracens had existed in relative peace, and tolerated each other’s faith.
Alessio II was a fervent supporter of the Crusades, and has since had ambition to drive the Saracens from Iberia, as well as to help protect the Holy Land. Now, in 1225, he stands as a respected king with a strong base of support in the homeland, and ready to strike out into the Holy Land, or Iberia.
I only skimmed through though, 'cause I just got home, so I don't know if there's anything else contradictory.
Anything wrong with mine?
I wanted to play as the government of Poland also, But I think I'd go stir crazy playing politics all the time.
Whiteblade can be in too if he so chooses, but it is important to remember that choosing Poland isolates quite a bit.
I really just want to play as Poland for two reasons:
A. I can leave for periods of time without screwing you guys over, and I have my own struggle to fight
B. I get to play as an order of god damn knights.