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Crusher, Chara is a puzzle boss, not a meatwall. Attacking won't do anything, sure, but all that means is that we have to find another way to beat him. Consumer laid it out -- we have to either somehow destroy the Curse of Obedience Uzi has Chara under to free her, or we meatshield Sandfall Ampersand for enough time to charge up God Complex and take tem out.
Could Chara theoretically be overpowered by a mass charge by everyone though? Because puzzle bosses are horrible, especially when the way to defeat them would likely break the OP Scale (and thus be non-viable) in almost any other instance. At least I have a decent shot at finding the secret method on account of not really caring about the OP Scale half the time, but that still requires flailing around randomly in hopes that its possible to defeat.
PS: Sandfall Ampersand is going to die instantly to Chara no matter what we do to protect him, so we need to find the one alternate way to win. The only way to not die instantly to Chara is to dodge, and Ampersand explicitly CANNOT DODGE.
Not quite crusher, there is one REALLY stupid thing we could do to hold off Chara and I mean extremely stupid, said stupid idea is using ourselves as cannon fodder to soak up Chara's insteunt deafs.
However, tazz had stated that a full 50 post charge would be enough to permaded chara if there's anyone stupid enough to waste one like that.
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I seem to be out of charges.
Oh well.
Also, Volume 10 is awesome. You Killed my Father and Of Gods and Witchs (which was available on tensai's youtube before it became part of Vol. 10) are personal favs.
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. And you know what the best part of all this is? You'll DO it. And then you'll lose to me again. And again. And again!!! Because you want a "happy ending." Because you "love your friends." Because you "never give up." Isn't that delicious? Your "determination." The power that let you get this far... It's gonna be your downfall!
"THIS IS EQUAL PARTS FUNNY AND SAD."
"STOP LAUGHING AND KILL THE BUNNY!"
"YOU'RE GETTING QUOTED ON THAT ONE, CALLING IT NOW. WHY ARE YOU LOSING IT OVER ONE ENEMY ANYWAY?"
"I DON'T KNOW! THERE'S A BLANK SCREEN WHENEVER I PERFORM A MEMORY SEARCH! NOTHING SHOWS UP!"
However, tazz had stated that a full 50 post charge would be enough to
permaded chara if there's anyone stupid enough to waste one like that.
The first thing I did when Chara's shield was low on HP was to use a 50 post charge to kill it and Chara, it failed horribly, so or Tazz lied to you or he just changed his mind, if he changed his mind this means that I get the insult and the injury.
Or maybe using the charge while the shield was still a thing was a bad timed move by my part and it is perfectly possible to kill him/her when there is no shield.
Perhaps if you type up 20 paragraphs face-on attacking tem, they might die.
Because you seem to be unable to realize what a puzzle boss is.
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. And you know what the best part of all this is? You'll DO it. And then you'll lose to me again. And again. And again!!! Because you want a "happy ending." Because you "love your friends." Because you "never give up." Isn't that delicious? Your "determination." The power that let you get this far... It's gonna be your downfall!
"THIS IS EQUAL PARTS FUNNY AND SAD."
"STOP LAUGHING AND KILL THE BUNNY!"
"YOU'RE GETTING QUOTED ON THAT ONE, CALLING IT NOW. WHY ARE YOU LOSING IT OVER ONE ENEMY ANYWAY?"
"I DON'T KNOW! THERE'S A BLANK SCREEN WHENEVER I PERFORM A MEMORY SEARCH! NOTHING SHOWS UP!"
Apparently a puzzle boss is designed such that it wins against ANYTHING except its weakness. Which means that we shouldn't have had a final fight in DTG2, because UserZero (who was leading the Legion of Godmodders) would have just summoned Chara, and instantly kills The Incarnate, because a mid-game puzzle boss is given abilities that would let it effortlessly stomp every single final boss in the series. Just because its a Puzzle Boss doesn't mean that it should be flat-out immune to the superlasers of final bosses.
There's a way other than mindlessly forehead-smashing the fight button every single chance you get. You just aren't going about this the right way. The point is not to brute force your way through everything. The point is to strategise your way through the battle, figure out the answer to the puzzle, and actually use your brain. But, well. All things considered...
You know what usually happens when I use strategy? It gets Nope'd by the OP Scale.
So if this is legal, then I could summon something with similar abilities, and until someone stumbles blindly onto the random secret weakness which is so specific that people could guess the entire thread and not figure it out, its totally impossible to kill, even if the final boss blasts it with its superlaser ultimate attack, since that total immunity to almost everything in the game is "balanced" by the fact that it could theoretically go down in one hit if someone got super-lucky.
Theoretically yes, you could summon a boss like that provided you got an okay from Tazz and told them what said weakness was so they could provide hints as to what said weakness is for players who would want to kill your boss, like, ya know, we have for Chara, we even know what specifically we're targeting a curse, we even have a hint "For some reason, you come up with a picture of Chara's face, exactly as it is, right now. You are not entirely sure if that is the curse symbol or not." It's not much to go on but if more people were to look we could probably paint a clearer picture of the curse symbol, destroy it, and defeat Chara.
No, if I did it, UserZero would just discover the weakness round zero and the boss dies instantly. What confuses me is why Richard hasn't figured it out, though.
If I had to guess why Richard hasn't figured out the weakness yet it's because it's not his job to figure it out it's OURS the players, this is also why your theoretical boss would work with Tazz's okay, because it wouldn't be Uzi's or Richard's job to kill it, it would be the players.
Crusher, stop rationalizing with "but userZero this and userZero that." It's really annoying.
Just PLAY THE GAME. Just because Tazz won't let you completely rip the game apart doesn't mean strategy doesn't work!
THIS.
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. And you know what the best part of all this is? You'll DO it. And then you'll lose to me again. And again. And again!!! Because you want a "happy ending." Because you "love your friends." Because you "never give up." Isn't that delicious? Your "determination." The power that let you get this far... It's gonna be your downfall!
"THIS IS EQUAL PARTS FUNNY AND SAD."
"STOP LAUGHING AND KILL THE BUNNY!"
"YOU'RE GETTING QUOTED ON THAT ONE, CALLING IT NOW. WHY ARE YOU LOSING IT OVER ONE ENEMY ANYWAY?"
"I DON'T KNOW! THERE'S A BLANK SCREEN WHENEVER I PERFORM A MEMORY SEARCH! NOTHING SHOWS UP!"
Crusher, Chara is a puzzle boss, not a meatwall. Attacking won't do anything, sure, but all that means is that we have to find another way to beat him. Consumer laid it out -- we have to either somehow destroy the Curse of Obedience Uzi has Chara under to free her, or we meatshield Sandfall Ampersand for enough time to charge up God Complex and take tem out.
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Could Chara theoretically be overpowered by a mass charge by everyone though? Because puzzle bosses are horrible, especially when the way to defeat them would likely break the OP Scale (and thus be non-viable) in almost any other instance. At least I have a decent shot at finding the secret method on account of not really caring about the OP Scale half the time, but that still requires flailing around randomly in hopes that its possible to defeat.
PS: Sandfall Ampersand is going to die instantly to Chara no matter what we do to protect him, so we need to find the one alternate way to win. The only way to not die instantly to Chara is to dodge, and Ampersand explicitly CANNOT DODGE.
Actually bodyblocking works. Just saying.
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Not quite crusher, there is one REALLY stupid thing we could do to hold off Chara and I mean extremely stupid, said stupid idea is using ourselves as cannon fodder to soak up Chara's insteunt deafs.
Mankind Redefined
Sheesh, first day I miss the committee
Computer in a while and everything changes. Gosh darn it tazz, you tell us to edit our posts and then don't give us time to.
Also, crusher, chara is a PUZZLE boss. Stop trying to think in terms of bricks and guns.
However, tazz had stated that a full 50 post charge would be enough to permaded chara if there's anyone stupid enough to waste one like that.
DTG Co Labs
Nope, sorry guys, no Destroy the Godmodder relevant stuff here...
At least, not yet.
BATTLEFURY13'S GREED FOR SPOILs AND TO BE RELEVENT TO THE RESCU-
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I seem to be out of charges.
Oh well.
Also, Volume 10 is awesome. You Killed my Father and Of Gods and Witchs (which was available on tensai's youtube before it became part of Vol. 10) are personal favs.
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. And you know what the best part of all this is? You'll DO it. And then you'll lose to me again. And again. And again!!! Because you want a "happy ending." Because you "love your friends." Because you "never give up." Isn't that delicious? Your "determination." The power that let you get this far... It's gonna be your downfall!
Piono, that wouldn't be a waste. In fact, I think I might change my {REDACTED} charge to do it, because without it Chara WILL NOT FREAKING DIE.
The first thing I did when Chara's shield was low on HP was to use a 50 post charge to kill it and Chara, it failed horribly, so or Tazz lied to you or he just changed his mind, if he changed his mind this means that I get the insult and the injury.
Or maybe using the charge while the shield was still a thing was a bad timed move by my part and it is perfectly possible to kill him/her when there is no shield.
Tazz said he is bored by the excessive amount of undertale stuff and of how much long they lasted.
So in this line it would be meaningful that a 50 charge action would end undertale stuff once and for all.
Perhaps if you type up 20 paragraphs face-on attacking tem, they might die.
Because you seem to be unable to realize what a puzzle boss is.
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. And you know what the best part of all this is? You'll DO it. And then you'll lose to me again. And again. And again!!! Because you want a "happy ending." Because you "love your friends." Because you "never give up." Isn't that delicious? Your "determination." The power that let you get this far... It's gonna be your downfall!
Apparently a puzzle boss is designed such that it wins against ANYTHING except its weakness. Which means that we shouldn't have had a final fight in DTG2, because UserZero (who was leading the Legion of Godmodders) would have just summoned Chara, and instantly kills The Incarnate, because a mid-game puzzle boss is given abilities that would let it effortlessly stomp every single final boss in the series. Just because its a Puzzle Boss doesn't mean that it should be flat-out immune to the superlasers of final bosses.
Not really, a final boss takes many hits to defeat, a puzzle boss, theoretically, only takes one once you find its weakness.
Mankind Redefined
There's a way other than mindlessly forehead-smashing the fight button every single chance you get. You just aren't going about this the right way. The point is not to brute force your way through everything. The point is to strategise your way through the battle, figure out the answer to the puzzle, and actually use your brain. But, well. All things considered...
I'm aware that might be a bit difficult for you.
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You know what usually happens when I use strategy? It gets Nope'd by the OP Scale.
So if this is legal, then I could summon something with similar abilities, and until someone stumbles blindly onto the random secret weakness which is so specific that people could guess the entire thread and not figure it out, its totally impossible to kill, even if the final boss blasts it with its superlaser ultimate attack, since that total immunity to almost everything in the game is "balanced" by the fact that it could theoretically go down in one hit if someone got super-lucky.
Theoretically yes, you could summon a boss like that provided you got an okay from Tazz and told them what said weakness was so they could provide hints as to what said weakness is for players who would want to kill your boss, like, ya know, we have for Chara, we even know what specifically we're targeting a curse, we even have a hint "For some reason, you come up with a picture of Chara's face, exactly as it is, right now. You are not entirely sure if that is the curse symbol or not." It's not much to go on but if more people were to look we could probably paint a clearer picture of the curse symbol, destroy it, and defeat Chara.
Mankind Redefined
No, if I did it, UserZero would just discover the weakness round zero and the boss dies instantly. What confuses me is why Richard hasn't figured it out, though.
If I had to guess why Richard hasn't figured out the weakness yet it's because it's not his job to figure it out it's OURS the players, this is also why your theoretical boss would work with Tazz's okay, because it wouldn't be Uzi's or Richard's job to kill it, it would be the players.
Mankind Redefined
Crusher, stop rationalizing with "but userZero this and userZero that." It's really annoying.
Just PLAY THE GAME. Just because Tazz won't let you completely rip the game apart doesn't mean strategy doesn't work!
DTG Co Labs
Nope, sorry guys, no Destroy the Godmodder relevant stuff here...
At least, not yet.
THIS.
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. And you know what the best part of all this is? You'll DO it. And then you'll lose to me again. And again. And again!!! Because you want a "happy ending." Because you "love your friends." Because you "never give up." Isn't that delicious? Your "determination." The power that let you get this far... It's gonna be your downfall!
Tazz summoned the Earth directly over Minecraft.
He ate the bread that he made from stone
He fell from the Temple, never broke a bone
Bowed down to the Emperor and watched as former King was overthrown
He sits alone on his throne.