Long story short, need a build capable of running XP for my family's business. The software we use for a certain machine will only run on XP.
If it's possible to run it in a VM, that may work. Not all that great with VMs.
Prefer smallest SSD (if) possible with a decent enough storage capacity (60gb?) to not worry about it. Might be saving some pictures on it, but those can be changed without worry.
Smallest budget possible. Have OS (both a copy of XP and Win7 (if VM)), mouse/keyboard, and monitor.
So, just need the tower stuffs. I'm just not really sure how compatible newer hardware would be with XP. Like I said, we only need it for a single program for a single machine.
100% must be XP, and I'm still checking into whether or not a VM will work. The software for the machine only comes in XP, and it's too costly to get a new machine.
The computer will primarily be for the machine only.
EDIT:
This is a first thought. I checked the drivers on the mobo, and there are some for XP.
This should work. Since XP is incredibly ancient you may have to tinker around with the drivers to get the chipset to work effectively with the OS. This build is over powered for your uses and the reason why I didn't go with an APU is because XP might not mix very well with it.
100% must be XP, and I'm still checking into whether or not a VM will work. The software for the machine only comes in XP, and it's too costly to get a new machine.
The computer will primarily be for the machine only.
EDIT:
This is a first thought. I checked the drivers on the mobo, and there are some for XP.
This is what it sounds like he is doing. If this is the case, new software is probably in the $5,000+ range (last I had experience with had $15,000 as a figure being tossed around for new software).
It's for a cake/cookie decorating machine. I can't see how it would be all that intense.
If a Pentium D on XP could run all the junk we had going at my internship, I don't see how a single cake/cookie decorating machine could need any sort of power at all.
I personally would use a low end socket 1155 Celeron, But the AMD should work fine. Might want to reconsider the SSD. XP is really not designed for them at all and will greatly reduce the speed and lifetime of the drive. Look into a 10,000 rpm hdd and consider short stroking. (Only partition the first 33% of the drive for lower seek times.)
All of those are optional changes. Only necessary change is that power supply. Rosewills are complete junk, especially at low price points. Invest in a better quality one for ~$60 from a good brand. That one is liable to "blow up" on you. Taking out itself and possibly other compenents at the same time.
Keep in mind once support for XP drops it will be a paradise for zero days, hacks and exploits since so much of the world still runs on XP.
I would recommend a VM at all costs, and ONLY use the VM for certain programs. VMWare can do a sort of "seamless" thing where you can have just the program window in the VM and have the rest of the host OS available to you.
Keep in mind once support for XP drops it will be a paradise for zero days, hacks and exploits since so much of the world still runs on XP.
I would recommend a VM at all costs, and ONLY use the VM for certain programs. VMWare can do a sort of "seamless" thing where you can have just the program window in the VM and have the rest of the host OS available to you.
Really sorry to go off topic, but what actually is a zero day?
Imagine, worms upon worms that would infect your computer just from connecting to the internet. No going to a website, or downloading anything, just simply connecting to the internet is enough to get infected, by the default pings the OS makes to the MS servers (Or just by the OS being connected regardless of pings).
The worm spread by exploiting a buffer overflow discovered by the Polish security research group Last Stage of Delirium[4] in the DCOMRPC service on the affected operating systems, for which a patch had been released one month earlier in MS03-026 and later in MS03-039. This allowed the worm to spread without users opening attachments simply by spamming itself to large numbers of random IP addresses.
Expect this but in a very large scale, but not just with shutting down randomly, wiping hard drives, spreading over internal networks, stealing credit card and other info, etc. etc. etc..
Imagine one using an exploit so well hidden, that it is not detected by AV services for YEARS AND YEARS. By that point the damage is done, it has god knows how much sensitive data (bank info etc.) or how much damage it's caused.
Similar things happened with windows 2000 when support ended in 2010, but the market share was nowhere near as large as most everyone had moved on by that point.
So a VM is the way to go. I'll keep that in mind. It also seems as though I'll need to bump up the requirements a bit for the system. I'm actually not even entirely sure if the machine will be hooked up to the internet. I don't see a reason for it to be.
I personally would use a low end socket 1155 Celeron, But the AMD should work fine. Might want to reconsider the SSD. XP is really not designed for them at all and will greatly reduce the speed and lifetime of the drive. Look into a 10,000 rpm hdd and consider short stroking. (Only partition the first 33% of the drive for lower seek times.)
All of those are optional changes. Only necessary change is that power supply. Rosewills are complete junk, especially at low price points. Invest in a better quality one for ~$60 from a good brand. That one is liable to "blow up" on you. Taking out itself and possibly other compenents at the same time.
SSD was just because having the machine load faster and everything was a perk since I didn't need a huge amount of storage space (next to none beside the OS, really).
If not an SSD, a 10k HDD would be a waste. I'd just throw in a standard WD or Seagate for cheapest price available.
Please give me a source on Rosewills being junk. And an actual recommendation would have been preferable instead of saying, "Oh, you chose badly, so pick again."
If it's possible to run it in a VM, that may work. Not all that great with VMs.
Prefer smallest SSD (if) possible with a decent enough storage capacity (60gb?) to not worry about it. Might be saving some pictures on it, but those can be changed without worry.
Smallest budget possible. Have OS (both a copy of XP and Win7 (if VM)), mouse/keyboard, and monitor.
So, just need the tower stuffs. I'm just not really sure how compatible newer hardware would be with XP. Like I said, we only need it for a single program for a single machine.
"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."
The computer will primarily be for the machine only.
EDIT:
This is a first thought. I checked the drivers on the mobo, and there are some for XP.
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CPU: AMD A4-4000 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($48.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($77.51 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Antec VSK-3000 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill 350W ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $234.45
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"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."
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Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7750 2GB Video Card ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($43.26 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $578.18
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This should work. Since XP is incredibly ancient you may have to tinker around with the drivers to get the chipset to work effectively with the OS. This build is over powered for your uses and the reason why I didn't go with an APU is because XP might not mix very well with it.
Go with the build you have suggested.
Or update your software.
This is what it sounds like he is doing. If this is the case, new software is probably in the $5,000+ range (last I had experience with had $15,000 as a figure being tossed around for new software).
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/SteevyT/saved/21PI
"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."
If a Pentium D on XP could run all the junk we had going at my internship, I don't see how a single cake/cookie decorating machine could need any sort of power at all.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/SteevyT/saved/21PI
No, it sprays dye onto icing to make the cookie/cake have a picture/lettering/etc. on it.
"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."
I personally would use a low end socket 1155 Celeron, But the AMD should work fine. Might want to reconsider the SSD. XP is really not designed for them at all and will greatly reduce the speed and lifetime of the drive. Look into a 10,000 rpm hdd and consider short stroking. (Only partition the first 33% of the drive for lower seek times.)
All of those are optional changes. Only necessary change is that power supply. Rosewills are complete junk, especially at low price points. Invest in a better quality one for ~$60 from a good brand. That one is liable to "blow up" on you. Taking out itself and possibly other compenents at the same time.
I would recommend a VM at all costs, and ONLY use the VM for certain programs. VMWare can do a sort of "seamless" thing where you can have just the program window in the VM and have the rest of the host OS available to you.
Really sorry to go off topic, but what actually is a zero day?
Have fun.
fm87!Imagine, worms upon worms that would infect your computer just from connecting to the internet. No going to a website, or downloading anything, just simply connecting to the internet is enough to get infected, by the default pings the OS makes to the MS servers (Or just by the OS being connected regardless of pings).
For example:
https://en.wikipedia...(computer_worm)
Expect this but in a very large scale, but not just with shutting down randomly, wiping hard drives, spreading over internal networks, stealing credit card and other info, etc. etc. etc..
Imagine one using an exploit so well hidden, that it is not detected by AV services for YEARS AND YEARS. By that point the damage is done, it has god knows how much sensitive data (bank info etc.) or how much damage it's caused.
Similar things happened with windows 2000 when support ended in 2010, but the market share was nowhere near as large as most everyone had moved on by that point.
I'm still looking for suggestions.
SSD was just because having the machine load faster and everything was a perk since I didn't need a huge amount of storage space (next to none beside the OS, really).
If not an SSD, a 10k HDD would be a waste. I'd just throw in a standard WD or Seagate for cheapest price available.
Please give me a source on Rosewills being junk. And an actual recommendation would have been preferable instead of saying, "Oh, you chose badly, so pick again."
"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."