Now don't get me wrong the 3770 line of processors are GREAT in every way. 16gb of Ram is plenty even for futureproofing for a couple years to come. But seriously. A titan? with a 15inch screen? Some people are just plain stupid.
except that hyperthreading can't really help much in games, generates more heat (bad in such a small build). The RAM is overkill, most games don't even use 4GB (Crysis 3's suggested specs is 4GB ram) and by the time 16GB is needed for gaming, DDR4 RAM will be out.
there is no way to future proof anything with computers. a $1600 build may last one extra year than a $800 build. getting something small and upgrading overtime is the best way to futureproof.
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except that hyperthreading can't really help much in games, generates more heat (bad in such a small build). The RAM is overkill, most games don't even use 4GB (Crysis 3's suggested specs is 4GB ram) and by the time 16GB is needed for gaming, DDR4 RAM will be out.
there is no way to future proof anything with computers. a $1600 build may last one extra year than a $800 build. getting something small and upgrading overtime is the best way to futureproof.
the guy has a Titan, a card that can max any game at 1080p. using it on such a small screen is like buying some Ferrari just to drive in city traffic.
Just for gaming, no. But graphic design and engineering projects like my wife does. Yes.
4gb of ram is nothing to some 3d design programs. I have 32gb of ram in our laptop and 16gb of ram in our desktop. Futureproofing. Ram is easy to future proof. I know there is nothing coming out in the next 5 years that is going to come anywhere near touching my 32gb of ram. futureproofing a GPU or a CPU. with today's technologies. You can get around 3 years out of both before you almost 'need' to upgrade. - though this is not a necessity, you can just learn to play on medium settings or even low. lol. I know people that are still using 9800 gtx cards in sli. still running games on medium to high at 60fps. Those cards are what 7-8 years old??
Hyperthreading.. same thing as above. For gaming, no. But for the above tasks. Hyperthreading is very important now.
But the titan thing, That's just plain old dumb.
Just for gaming, no. But graphic design and engineering projects like my wife does. Yes.
4gb of ram is nothing to some 3d design programs. I have 32gb of ram in our laptop and 16gb of ram in our desktop. Futureproofing. Ram is easy to future proof. I know there is nothing coming out in the next 5 years that is going to come anywhere near touching my 32gb of ram. futureproofing a GPU or a CPU. with today's technologies. You can get around 3 years out of both before you almost 'need' to upgrade. - though this is not a necessity, you can just learn to play on medium settings or even low. lol. I know people that are still using 9800 gtx cards in sli. still running games on medium to high at 60fps. Those cards are what 7-8 years old??
Hyperthreading.. same thing as above. For gaming, no. But for the above tasks. Hyperthreading is very important now.
But the titan thing, That's just plain old dumb.
RAM will only get cheaper. in a year when you require the RAM just buy it. it will just be cheaper, Also, you could get a sale on it, IIRC for a week 2133Mhz RAM in a 2X4GB kit was the cheapest kit on Pcpartpicker.
And what happens when you need to upgrade your cpu to a new motherboard that won't support the 32GB ram you have? Going from DDR3 to DDR4, if you never used more than 16GB, which you won't, it was wasted cash.
Real cores beat virtual cores. if you want 8 cores, go AMD 8350. or 9950 when it comes out if the price drops. And as said before, when you need to upgrade, be ready to.
you cannot futureproof a computer for gaming.
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RAM will only get cheaper. in a year when you require the RAM just buy it. it will just be cheaper, Also, you could get a sale on it, IIRC for a week 2133Mhz RAM in a 2X4GB kit was the cheapest kit on Pcpartpicker.
And what happens when you need to upgrade your cpu to a new motherboard that won't support the 32GB ram you have? Going from DDR3 to DDR4, if you never used more than 16GB, which you won't, it was wasted cash.
Real cores beat virtual cores. if you want 8 cores, go AMD 8350. or 9950 when it comes out if the price drops. And as said before, when you need to upgrade, be ready to.
you cannot futureproof a computer for gaming.
Physical cores don't always beat multi-threaded ones. An i7 2600k (yes 2 gens old), still beats the FX8350. This isn't about pricetag, this is pure performance vs performance. IIRC, ram has been increasing in price, not lowering. Ram prices have gone up in the last few months. That one 2133MHz Ram kit was probably on clearance or something.
Just for gaming, no. But graphic design and engineering projects like my wife does. Yes.
4gb of ram is nothing to some 3d design programs. I have 32gb of ram in our laptop and 16gb of ram in our desktop. Futureproofing. Ram is easy to future proof. I know there is nothing coming out in the next 5 years that is going to come anywhere near touching my 32gb of ram. futureproofing a GPU or a CPU. with today's technologies. You can get around 3 years out of both before you almost 'need' to upgrade. - though this is not a necessity, you can just learn to play on medium settings or even low. lol. I know people that are still using 9800 gtx cards in sli. still running games on medium to high at 60fps. Those cards are what 7-8 years old??
Hyperthreading.. same thing as above. For gaming, no. But for the above tasks. Hyperthreading is very important now.
But the titan thing, That's just plain old dumb.
Lol my cousin is one of those people running dual 9800GT's in sli.
Physical cores don't always beat multi-threaded ones. An i7 2600k (yes 2 gens old), still beats the FX8350. This isn't about pricetag, this is pure performance vs performance. IIRC, ram has been increasing in price, not lowering. Ram prices have gone up in the last few months. That one 2133MHz Ram kit was probably on clearance or something.
Thing about the 2600k, and the 8350, is that yes, it beats it, but HOW does it beat it? if your saying they beat it in gaming, then yes, of course, the games only take advantage of half or less of the 8350's power, where as the 2600k would power through using its 4 real cores.
Although, lets not forget, the 2600k is about $300 and the 8350 is currently about $200 Although it used to be closer to $170ish.
now, for price/performance, we should see at least a third more performance in favor to the i7 than the 8350.
Using http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=287 as a guide, we don't see that large general improvement.
I don't recall saying the 8350 was better, Only better future proofing. I would say so because Console are now using 8 real cores on a X86 (i think) level.
Referring back to the benchmarks, in the Cinebench R10 single threaded performance we see the i7 easily taking a win there. Although in the multicore performance we see the 8350 ever so slightly taking the win. We can even look down at Starcraft 2, a game which i think uses a single core, the i7 takes the win, Although looking back up to the Cinebench 11.5 test results for multi threads, the 8350 does pull ahead ever so slightly in multicore tasks. Its also $100 cheaper.
In a different branch of computers, $100 makes a difference. Example, a 7970 is $100 more than a 7950 and always beats it in power. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/855?vs=768
Yes, RAM at the moment is rising. Although sales still happen. lets say you buy your 8GB set now, toss it in your computer, and a month later see your using 80% of your ram. Your probably never going to use that extra 20% Although you can set a price watch on your RAM kit and when the time comes when it gets cheaper or the same price as before, you can buy it.
Although i cannot stress that we will not need more than 8GB for gaming until DDR4 comes out. For example, i have 8GB ram and idle with about 60% of it used (i don't know why, but i do) Last night i went from GTAIV to Gmod although some strange glitch kept GTAIV open. about an hour into recording Gmod with a friend i looked at task manager that i keep open, and relise, Gmod and GTAIV were both running, both using a gig of ram, and even with FRAPS recording, i was only at 92% usage.
I googled for a chart that would show RAM usage trends over the years to see when the first game used 512MB ram and used that timeline to see when RAM usage will double and games will require 2GB, then 4GB RAM etc. But i found this article instead. http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1079173-97-RAM-usage-in-Battlefield-3-is-8GB-the-sweet-spot-for-gaming-now
TL;DR guy has 97% RAM usage on BF3 running 4GB ram.
Skimming it it looks like a Memory leak. the game using to much memory.
Now that's BF3 a pretty high end game running on 4GB ram. that's still 4GB free RAM for people who have 8GB ram. 4 extra gigs for games to some day use.
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Firstly, I like your wall of text.
Secondly, I don't feel like replying, I'm just saying, that more physical cores won't always mean more performance.
Well from what i know you can't compare that without using the same Architecture, Ghz, Brand, Etc. So, i decided to look some stuff up.
Compare the i3 and and i5. i3 has 2 real cores, 2 virtual cores. i5 has 4 real cores.
I found Anandtech has the i3-3220 and the i5-3470 in it's database, so ill use them. They differ only by .1Ghz in the i3's favor. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=702
we can see almost twice the performance using the two real cores over the two virtual ones. If they had the same clock speed, it might be twice the performance.
Of course more cores =/= better. Although i'm saying a real core is better than a virtual one.
and, as we saw in the benchmarks os the 8350 vs the i7, it is better at multicore processes.
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except that hyperthreading can't really help much in games, generates more heat (bad in such a small build). The RAM is overkill, most games don't even use 4GB (Crysis 3's suggested specs is 4GB ram) and by the time 16GB is needed for gaming, DDR4 RAM will be out.
there is no way to future proof anything with computers. a $1600 build may last one extra year than a $800 build. getting something small and upgrading overtime is the best way to futureproof.
the guy has a Titan, a card that can max any game at 1080p. using it on such a small screen is like buying some Ferrari just to drive in city traffic.
if someone suggests Alienware or Cyberpower, wait for a custom-built list from someone who knows their stuff. Meh Rig
Just for gaming, no. But graphic design and engineering projects like my wife does. Yes.
4gb of ram is nothing to some 3d design programs. I have 32gb of ram in our laptop and 16gb of ram in our desktop. Futureproofing. Ram is easy to future proof. I know there is nothing coming out in the next 5 years that is going to come anywhere near touching my 32gb of ram. futureproofing a GPU or a CPU. with today's technologies. You can get around 3 years out of both before you almost 'need' to upgrade. - though this is not a necessity, you can just learn to play on medium settings or even low. lol. I know people that are still using 9800 gtx cards in sli. still running games on medium to high at 60fps. Those cards are what 7-8 years old??
Hyperthreading.. same thing as above. For gaming, no. But for the above tasks. Hyperthreading is very important now.
But the titan thing, That's just plain old dumb.
RAM will only get cheaper. in a year when you require the RAM just buy it. it will just be cheaper, Also, you could get a sale on it, IIRC for a week 2133Mhz RAM in a 2X4GB kit was the cheapest kit on Pcpartpicker.
And what happens when you need to upgrade your cpu to a new motherboard that won't support the 32GB ram you have? Going from DDR3 to DDR4, if you never used more than 16GB, which you won't, it was wasted cash.
Real cores beat virtual cores. if you want 8 cores, go AMD 8350. or 9950 when it comes out if the price drops. And as said before, when you need to upgrade, be ready to.
you cannot futureproof a computer for gaming.
if someone suggests Alienware or Cyberpower, wait for a custom-built list from someone who knows their stuff. Meh Rig
Physical cores don't always beat multi-threaded ones. An i7 2600k (yes 2 gens old), still beats the FX8350. This isn't about pricetag, this is pure performance vs performance. IIRC, ram has been increasing in price, not lowering. Ram prices have gone up in the last few months. That one 2133MHz Ram kit was probably on clearance or something.
Lol my cousin is one of those people running dual 9800GT's in sli.
http://www.youtube.com/n0ah1897
It's and AMD A10 4600m, with an integrated radeon 7660g.
For Minecraft recording and a flight simulator, $2000 is way too overpriced
Thing about the 2600k, and the 8350, is that yes, it beats it, but HOW does it beat it? if your saying they beat it in gaming, then yes, of course, the games only take advantage of half or less of the 8350's power, where as the 2600k would power through using its 4 real cores.
Although, lets not forget, the 2600k is about $300 and the 8350 is currently about $200 Although it used to be closer to $170ish.
now, for price/performance, we should see at least a third more performance in favor to the i7 than the 8350.
Using http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=287 as a guide, we don't see that large general improvement.
I don't recall saying the 8350 was better, Only better future proofing. I would say so because Console are now using 8 real cores on a X86 (i think) level.
Referring back to the benchmarks, in the Cinebench R10 single threaded performance we see the i7 easily taking a win there. Although in the multicore performance we see the 8350 ever so slightly taking the win. We can even look down at Starcraft 2, a game which i think uses a single core, the i7 takes the win, Although looking back up to the Cinebench 11.5 test results for multi threads, the 8350 does pull ahead ever so slightly in multicore tasks. Its also $100 cheaper.
In a different branch of computers, $100 makes a difference. Example, a 7970 is $100 more than a 7950 and always beats it in power.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/855?vs=768
Yes, RAM at the moment is rising. Although sales still happen. lets say you buy your 8GB set now, toss it in your computer, and a month later see your using 80% of your ram. Your probably never going to use that extra 20% Although you can set a price watch on your RAM kit and when the time comes when it gets cheaper or the same price as before, you can buy it.
Although i cannot stress that we will not need more than 8GB for gaming until DDR4 comes out. For example, i have 8GB ram and idle with about 60% of it used (i don't know why, but i do) Last night i went from GTAIV to Gmod although some strange glitch kept GTAIV open. about an hour into recording Gmod with a friend i looked at task manager that i keep open, and relise, Gmod and GTAIV were both running, both using a gig of ram, and even with FRAPS recording, i was only at 92% usage.
I googled for a chart that would show RAM usage trends over the years to see when the first game used 512MB ram and used that timeline to see when RAM usage will double and games will require 2GB, then 4GB RAM etc. But i found this article instead.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1079173-97-RAM-usage-in-Battlefield-3-is-8GB-the-sweet-spot-for-gaming-now
TL;DR guy has 97% RAM usage on BF3 running 4GB ram.
Skimming it it looks like a Memory leak. the game using to much memory.
Now that's BF3 a pretty high end game running on 4GB ram. that's still 4GB free RAM for people who have 8GB ram. 4 extra gigs for games to some day use.
if someone suggests Alienware or Cyberpower, wait for a custom-built list from someone who knows their stuff. Meh Rig
Firstly, I like your wall of text.
Secondly, I don't feel like replying, I'm just saying, that more physical cores won't always mean more performance.
Well from what i know you can't compare that without using the same Architecture, Ghz, Brand, Etc. So, i decided to look some stuff up.
Compare the i3 and and i5. i3 has 2 real cores, 2 virtual cores. i5 has 4 real cores.
I found Anandtech has the i3-3220 and the i5-3470 in it's database, so ill use them. They differ only by .1Ghz in the i3's favor.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=702
we can see almost twice the performance using the two real cores over the two virtual ones. If they had the same clock speed, it might be twice the performance.
Of course more cores =/= better. Although i'm saying a real core is better than a virtual one.
and, as we saw in the benchmarks os the 8350 vs the i7, it is better at multicore processes.
if someone suggests Alienware or Cyberpower, wait for a custom-built list from someone who knows their stuff. Meh Rig