It seems to be only this section that gets neglected though. Although, I was PM'ing The_Pastmaster about a "Chat Thread - Tech Edition" 2 days ago and he said that we will probably have one when we get a moderator for this section. He also specifically said that he was looking for a mod for this section, so....... yay.
He listened to me and fm and all of you guys petitioning?
It seems to be only this section that gets neglected though. Although, I was PM'ing The_Pastmaster about a "Chat Thread - Tech Edition" 2 days ago and he said that we will probably have one when we get a moderator for this section. He also specifically said that he was looking for a mod for this section, so....... yay.
Chat thread for tech? YESSSS SER! Mod for this section? Should be someone like me, fm87, ImThat1Guy, etc. but knowing them they'll get someone who has put in a total of 2 posts in this section.
7970 added, similar to other topics I've seen of this nature, the most recent things I add will be marked in bold and will be listed up top in the format [NEW: <Item>, <Item>, <Item>, <etc.>], adds to the challenge!
This has to have more examples, if I was new, and didn't know crap on cpus, and I read your guide, I won't think that Amd processors all sucked and intel is always the way to go. I would change the Amd part. (Just sayin) dont wanna start a flame war
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This has to have more examples, if I was new, and didn't know crap on cpus, and I read your guide, I won't think that Amd processors all sucked and intel is always the way to go. I would change the Amd part. (Just sayin) dont wanna start a flame war
They do suck right now, whats your point? It's not like he should have to put, "Or buy these AMD processors if you're an AMD fanboy and want half the performance of the current Intel competition these are your best bet!"
I mean I guess he could, in a business sense it'd be better marketing, but this is a guide for the community.
They do suck right now, whats your point? It's not like he should have to put, "Or buy these AMD processors if you're an AMD fanboy and want half the performance of the current Intel competition these are your best bet!"
I mean I guess he could, in a business sense it'd be better marketing, but this is a guide for the community.
Acutally I don't like Amd at all (not even the hd 7970)
I'm an Intel guy and Nvidia fanboy.
It was just a suggestion
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You are missing the entire 5xx series from nVidia and most of the 6xxx and 7xxx series from ATI
It's a list of recommended parts not a list of all of them, although I sort of agree on the xx50 and xx70 versions of some of the cards not being on the list, when they're both good.
The FX 4100 beats the i3 2120 with a bit of overclocking, and you also left out the entire 3xxx series from Intel
Bulldozer is awful, especially for games, it currently performs on most apps on Windows about the same as the Phenom II's. Not even worth suggesting a buy.
The Caviar Blue line is a perfectally acceptable line of Hard Drives.
I honestly have seen little to no reason to ever suggest a Caviar Blue, spinpoint f3's at the 500gb mark and the Seagate Barracudas are just a much better buy. Caviar Black is a good line but it's a third more now than the Barracudas, total ripoff.
You failed to mention many better cases; the CM Cosmos II, ThermallTake Level 10 GT, the Obsidian series of corsair, the Performance one series from Antec, and all of fractal design cases, which are amazing (Oh and the roswill Thor v2)
There's a million cases out there, personally I usually just end up suggesting an HAF unless someone specifically wants another look.
HP makes amazing TN panels, representing the best of the low end IMHO.
Yes that's why the 150-250 range Asus panels are selling like wildfire, I'm using one right now. Asus offers LED backlights on half their models, 1080p res 21-24" and very low refresh time(2 m/s~) In regards to the topic, I'm a bit perplexed why no TN panels are listed myself, of either brand.
You are missing the entire 5xx series from nVidia and most of the 6xxx and 7xxx series from ATI
The FX 4100 beats the i3 2120 with a bit of overclocking, and you also left out the entire 3xxx series from Intel
The RAM section lacks, as well as the motherboard section, where you failed to put in ASUS motherboards, which are considered among the best for overclocking.
The Caviar Blue line is a perfectally acceptable line of Hard Drives.
You failed to mention many better cases; the CM Cosmos II, ThermallTake Level 10 GT, the Obsidian series of corsair, the Performance one series from Antec, and all of fractal design cases, which are amazing (Oh and the roswill Thor v2)
HP makes amazing TN panels, representing the best of the low end IMHO.
You also failed to list the best in the buisness for Hard Drives
OCZ Vertex 3, Intel 520, Intel 510, Corsair GT thingy....all of them are great SSD's
IMO, thats a bit much missing for a "full" computer parts list
Most of your argument is invalid, reasons being mostly said by Satharis.
I've seen a lot guides like this, but this is by FAR the best I've ever seen and probably ever will see.
I am back, I will add more soon, and I see some people disagree with me... Well, there is no such thing as perfect, and most of my advice on certain things are a bit back in the time when certain things didn't exist or better options were too expensive to be recommended.
I actually decided to pick this apart past what Satharis has:
You are missing the entire 5xx series from nVidia and most of the 6xxx and 7xxx series from ATI
I didn't include certain cards because in price:performance, they are entire crap. Not worth mentioning an overpriced component.
The FX 4100 beats the i3 2120 with a bit of overclocking, and you also left out the entire 3xxx series from Intel
Not really, but even if that is the case, the whole BD series is lacking in price:performance, be prepared to see me use that ratio a lot throughout this pick apart.
The RAM section lacks, as well as the motherboard section, where you failed to put in ASUS motherboards, which are considered among the best for overclocking.
RAM is fine, picking ram isn't like picking other components, it very rarely varies throughout companies and focusing on price is good. Motherboards doesn't have all my recommended mobos, I need to update it, but ASUS is a POS, overpriced, why would I buy a $180 mobo when I can get an ASRock for $120 with the same features? Overclocking highly depends on the grade of the silicon in the chip, and extremely rarely on the actual motherboard. You might get an extra 0.1GHz out of an ASUS over an ASRock, if you aren't already limited by your cooling.
The Caviar Blue line is a perfectally acceptable line of Hard Drives.
Nope, Satharis hit the nail on the head.
You failed to mention many better cases; the CM Cosmos II, ThermallTake Level 10 GT, the Obsidian series of corsair, the Performance one series from Antec, and all of fractal design cases, which are amazing (Oh and the roswill Thor v2)
CM Cosmos II is too new, and from what I understand, really expensive. The Level 10 GT is nothing but a gimmicky POS, I the 600T on their from corsair, Antec cases are highly lacking in a lot of easy to use features that companies like CM provide. Rosewill makes terrible cases and products in general.
HP makes amazing TN panels, representing the best of the low end IMHO.
Satharis
You also failed to list the best in the buisness for Hard Drives
Really?
OCZ Vertex 3, Intel 520, Intel 510, Corsair GT thingy....all of them are great SSD's
OCZ has terrible firmware, ugh, even thinking about it hurts from here. And I wrote that section at the beginning of SATA III drives, so most of the good drives weren't really noticeable yet.
IMO, thats a bit much missing for a "full" computer parts list
IMO, thats a bit much missing for a "full" editorial of my topic.
I need more research for the cards first off. I don't just blindly bull rush into putting cards on there, I look up benchmarks.
With a $20 cooler, Bulldozer hits up to around 4.5-4.6 GHz, putting it on par with i3's, with a CM 212 EVO, it could easilly put it at 5 GHz. This makes it faster (in benchmarks, not just clockspeed).
Than link the benchmarks? Considering clock speed is a very small portion of what makes a CPU good and the bulldozer's less than improved architecture, I'd liked to see what you come up with.
Examples should be given. Corsair XMS3 represents low end, Vengneace mid, and Dominator high ect. Also, the Ripjaws series is NOT a high end RAM. It is mid end, G.Skill's high end ram is their Sniper series.
You do know a company can have more than one flagship ram, right? That still constitutes the Ripjaws as high end.
I have reccomended several to people who are doing super low budget build. The low-capitacy versions are cheaper than the Barracuda and F3 equivalent.
I've recommended the F3 to a lot of people who are doing super low budget builds. I wonder how that at all adds to my argument.
Antec P280, antec 1100, entire Corsair Obsidain series is missing. This is for begginers no? Give them more options.
Oh no! I missed those few cases! What shall I do! I don't know every case out there, I guess that makes me differently abled for it? I guess you have knowledge for every case out there. Antec cases suck usually. Especially for beginners, they lack tool less features usually. A d the obsidian series is overpriced for the average person.
Then where is the 7870, 7850, and 680. Also, the 690 should be included because it is the fastest single consumer GPU atm. And by single I mean in one envelope, not as in one card.
I could go into a whole argument about the 680 and 690. They are not bad cards, but one thing makes them suffer: price:performance. No one in the right mind NEEDS a 690 just for gaming right now. And when they do, there will be cheaper options. Get what you need, not what you just want to waste money on.
Again, with a $20 cooler, FX gets to 4.5-4.6 Ghz, putting it on par with Intel's i3s. With a $30 cooler, 5+ is possible.
Clock speed vs architecture? Plus, not like you can keep that 5GHz for a while, pretty unstable.
Still, a general idea would be nice. FYI, the Ripjaws series is G.Skill's mid-end series, not high end.
Above.
ASUS makes fantastic motherboards. The overclocking is perfect (auto overclocking) and the UI is extremely easy to follow. The same can be said about ASRock, but consider this: ASUS motherboards are ALWAYS used as the motherboards in overclocking competitions.
ASUS aside, where is the rest of the ASRock series, where are the Zotac m-ITXs, and the m-ATXs for people on a budget.
Of course they make good mobos. They also make expensive mobos. And honestly, I would never use auto OC, you should always adjust everything manually for the best performance and CPU life span. Again, they are used in OC competitions just in case you need to win by just a little bit. m-ITX is good for HTPCs, but I am not going over those in this guide. Those are for very specifics builders. m-ATX are usually not too far off from ATX in price and ATX is usually preferable for various reasons.
And? A full line of cases should be put in. the Level 10 GT is the fugliest thing I have ever laid eyes on, but it also cools supurbly and is extremely quiet while doing so. The Antec P280 and 1100 are among the best in that price range. Especially witht he 280, no one else has anything to compete with it.
Above. I refuse to even recommend the level 10 GT to for looks but because it has the most useless features at an upper price range that no one needs. Its a POS.
Caviar Black is a fast, quiet drive, and, for thsoe on a higher budget, the extra $20 is nothing.
The F3s are faster due to platter density, just as quiet, and save you 20 bucks.
They also make -the- fastest drive out there. The Vertex 4. And the Vertex 3 still offers performance bested by few for an amazing price. Don't give me that BS, all Sandforce drives, Intel aside, use the exact same firmware, it is just when they release it. Also, you missed all of Intel's lineup, the Samsung 830, AND the 2012 Tom's Hardware Editor's Choice SSD, the Plextor m3 Pro.
Intels line up isn't worth the money and I don't know every damn SSD. Does that make me belong in the special classes because you sure act like you know every SSD out there and I should know every SSD.
I don't have time to keep up with tech sites, I'm only human. Other than the occasional hardware Canucks, I don't really have time.
The caviar blue just isn't worth the money in capacity and speed to price.
I am not going to list video cards that I think are a waste of money over time. Might as well tell people to burn an extra $200 along with it.
H100 probably doesn't reach the CPU to 5GHz, its a mediocre CPU cooler for the price. A noctua D14 beats it for a cheaper price, which may be able to get it to 5GHz, but for long term use, I still doubt it's ability. And this still all depends on the silicone quality of the CPU you get.
m-ATX boards often can't go SLI/X-Fire, and the few that can still are at a disadvantage to ATX boards in just raw performance. Not a noticeable performance difference, but the price is still not too gaping to justify getting an ATX board on budgets above $600
The Level 10 GT has a lot of features, but I can't think of one person who needs them all and can't find a case that has their specified needs at a lower price range. A lot of cheaper cases can provide air quality like the GT, NZXT, Lian Li, Silverstone, etc
I do know quality SSDs. I just said I don't know every SSD. And if you are such a "hardware expert" (which i never called myself, so i dont know why you pulled those quotation marks out of your ass) yourself you should know that reliability in an SSD is pretty much a useless argument considering all of them are really reliable. Just because one is 0.1% more reliable doesn't justify putting it above others. Not to mention neither intel or samsungs 4K read write times are really anything spectacular compared to the other SSDs. Ill add them. Oh, but forgive my large amount of ignorance of SSDs to your large amount of ignorance to what classifies your so called "hardware expert" label.
Haha no problem, its a pretty old thread actually, by a good 6 months, but it still applies well.
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Thinking about coming a mod to simply not moderate.
Just like my other messages to moderators. Unanswered and seemingly ignored. :/
He listened to me and fm and all of you guys petitioning?
YAY!!!
I wonder if these rules will be implemented?
I know, I think I'll PM a mod about it today, maybe hearing from the actual OP will help.
Chat thread for tech? YESSSS SER! Mod for this section? Should be someone like me, fm87, ImThat1Guy, etc. but knowing them they'll get someone who has put in a total of 2 posts in this section.
Thinking about coming a mod to simply not moderate.
Thinking about coming a mod to simply not moderate.
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They do suck right now, whats your point? It's not like he should have to put, "Or buy these AMD processors if you're an AMD fanboy and want half the performance of the current Intel competition these are your best bet!"
I mean I guess he could, in a business sense it'd be better marketing, but this is a guide for the community.
Acutally I don't like Amd at all (not even the hd 7970)
I'm an Intel guy and Nvidia fanboy.
It was just a suggestion
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How can you not like a 7970? It's like vroom vroom.
One of the best movies ever made.
Good description, that made me laugh.
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It's a list of recommended parts not a list of all of them, although I sort of agree on the xx50 and xx70 versions of some of the cards not being on the list, when they're both good.
Bulldozer is awful, especially for games, it currently performs on most apps on Windows about the same as the Phenom II's. Not even worth suggesting a buy.
Howso?
The motherboard section is a bit empty I'll agree there. It's missing a lot of the good ASRock boards out there right now as well.
I honestly have seen little to no reason to ever suggest a Caviar Blue, spinpoint f3's at the 500gb mark and the Seagate Barracudas are just a much better buy. Caviar Black is a good line but it's a third more now than the Barracudas, total ripoff.
There's a million cases out there, personally I usually just end up suggesting an HAF unless someone specifically wants another look.
Yes that's why the 150-250 range Asus panels are selling like wildfire, I'm using one right now. Asus offers LED backlights on half their models, 1080p res 21-24" and very low refresh time(2 m/s~) In regards to the topic, I'm a bit perplexed why no TN panels are listed myself, of either brand.
It is a bit bare.
Most of your argument is invalid, reasons being mostly said by Satharis.
I've seen a lot guides like this, but this is by FAR the best I've ever seen and probably ever will see.
I actually decided to pick this apart past what Satharis has:
I didn't include certain cards because in price:performance, they are entire crap. Not worth mentioning an overpriced component.
Not really, but even if that is the case, the whole BD series is lacking in price:performance, be prepared to see me use that ratio a lot throughout this pick apart.
RAM is fine, picking ram isn't like picking other components, it very rarely varies throughout companies and focusing on price is good. Motherboards doesn't have all my recommended mobos, I need to update it, but ASUS is a POS, overpriced, why would I buy a $180 mobo when I can get an ASRock for $120 with the same features? Overclocking highly depends on the grade of the silicon in the chip, and extremely rarely on the actual motherboard. You might get an extra 0.1GHz out of an ASUS over an ASRock, if you aren't already limited by your cooling.
Nope, Satharis hit the nail on the head.
CM Cosmos II is too new, and from what I understand, really expensive. The Level 10 GT is nothing but a gimmicky POS, I the 600T on their from corsair, Antec cases are highly lacking in a lot of easy to use features that companies like CM provide. Rosewill makes terrible cases and products in general.
Satharis
Really?
OCZ has terrible firmware, ugh, even thinking about it hurts from here. And I wrote that section at the beginning of SATA III drives, so most of the good drives weren't really noticeable yet.
IMO, thats a bit much missing for a "full" editorial of my topic.
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Thinking about coming a mod to simply not moderate.
I need more research for the cards first off. I don't just blindly bull rush into putting cards on there, I look up benchmarks.
Than link the benchmarks? Considering clock speed is a very small portion of what makes a CPU good and the bulldozer's less than improved architecture, I'd liked to see what you come up with.
You do know a company can have more than one flagship ram, right? That still constitutes the Ripjaws as high end.
I've recommended the F3 to a lot of people who are doing super low budget builds. I wonder how that at all adds to my argument.
Oh no! I missed those few cases! What shall I do! I don't know every case out there, I guess that makes me differently abled for it? I guess you have knowledge for every case out there. Antec cases suck usually. Especially for beginners, they lack tool less features usually. A d the obsidian series is overpriced for the average person.
I could go into a whole argument about the 680 and 690. They are not bad cards, but one thing makes them suffer: price:performance. No one in the right mind NEEDS a 690 just for gaming right now. And when they do, there will be cheaper options. Get what you need, not what you just want to waste money on.
Clock speed vs architecture? Plus, not like you can keep that 5GHz for a while, pretty unstable.
Above.
Of course they make good mobos. They also make expensive mobos. And honestly, I would never use auto OC, you should always adjust everything manually for the best performance and CPU life span. Again, they are used in OC competitions just in case you need to win by just a little bit. m-ITX is good for HTPCs, but I am not going over those in this guide. Those are for very specifics builders. m-ATX are usually not too far off from ATX in price and ATX is usually preferable for various reasons.
Above. I refuse to even recommend the level 10 GT to for looks but because it has the most useless features at an upper price range that no one needs. Its a POS.
The F3s are faster due to platter density, just as quiet, and save you 20 bucks.
Intels line up isn't worth the money and I don't know every damn SSD. Does that make me belong in the special classes because you sure act like you know every SSD out there and I should know every SSD.
Thinking about coming a mod to simply not moderate.
who's the one with an extremely informative and smoothly set up thread that gives a good first step to new builders? oh right, not you.
if it's so bad, why haven't you made a better one? as in your opinion, this one is obviously so outdated that it's beyond saving.
The caviar blue just isn't worth the money in capacity and speed to price.
I am not going to list video cards that I think are a waste of money over time. Might as well tell people to burn an extra $200 along with it.
H100 probably doesn't reach the CPU to 5GHz, its a mediocre CPU cooler for the price. A noctua D14 beats it for a cheaper price, which may be able to get it to 5GHz, but for long term use, I still doubt it's ability. And this still all depends on the silicone quality of the CPU you get.
m-ATX boards often can't go SLI/X-Fire, and the few that can still are at a disadvantage to ATX boards in just raw performance. Not a noticeable performance difference, but the price is still not too gaping to justify getting an ATX board on budgets above $600
The Level 10 GT has a lot of features, but I can't think of one person who needs them all and can't find a case that has their specified needs at a lower price range. A lot of cheaper cases can provide air quality like the GT, NZXT, Lian Li, Silverstone, etc
Platter density varies, example article: http://m.extremetech.com/extremetech/#!/entry/seagate-hits-1-terabit-per-square-inch-60tb-drives-on,4f687754f8a8ba2d23018d3d you will also have a hard time explaining why a 7KRPM drive out performs a Velociraptor if platter density didn't make a difference: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/1039-hitachi-7k1000-terabyte-hard-drive-review.html If platter density was the same density for drives of the same size all 1TB hard drives of the same RPMs would have identical results, which they don't.
I do know quality SSDs. I just said I don't know every SSD. And if you are such a "hardware expert" (which i never called myself, so i dont know why you pulled those quotation marks out of your ass) yourself you should know that reliability in an SSD is pretty much a useless argument considering all of them are really reliable. Just because one is 0.1% more reliable doesn't justify putting it above others. Not to mention neither intel or samsungs 4K read write times are really anything spectacular compared to the other SSDs. Ill add them. Oh, but forgive my large amount of ignorance of SSDs to your large amount of ignorance to what classifies your so called "hardware expert" label.
Thinking about coming a mod to simply not moderate.