If you were gonna upgrade to the GTX960 and a new CPU, considering my RAM and MOBO, what CPU would you recommend?
or put more simply, considering the rest of my machine, what CPU/GPU combo would you recommend upgrading to... and keep it under $500 if you can, pls.
With Minecraft not being very well threaded, you could probably get away with a Pentium G3258 with a heavy OC in the meantime, though you would have to buy a new motherboard at the same time, so may not be worth it if you're willing to wait for Skylake.
G3258 single thread performance vs other higher end processors:
Would be able to hit 4.5GHz easily, probably up to 4.7 depending on silicon lottery. Good board with a good cooler, if you need extra performance in the future would easily be able to upgrade to an i5 or i7 and OC that quite heavily also.
As for graphics card.. MSI GTX 960 OC? Total with 960 included comes to $420ish after rebates.
Edit: Oh, and if Catalyst is up to date don't worry about it - current GPU seems fine considering circumstances.
Would be able to hit 4.5GHz easily, probably up to 4.7 depending on silicon lottery. Good board with a good cooler, if you need extra performance in the future would easily be able to upgrade to an i5 or i7 and OC that quite heavily also.
As for graphics card.. MSI GTX 960 OC? Total with 960 included comes to $420ish after rebates.
Wait... you mean theres a $58 CPU out there that is better than mine? (I know, $242, actual cost to replace)
Wait... you mean theres a $58 CPU out there that is better than mine? (I know, $242, actual cost to replace)
In this (very specific) circumstance, yes. It won't be as good as say.. an i5 or i7 for general multi-tasking though. Making it work also requires overclocking, if you're not comfortable with that it'd be better to spend an extra $120ish and get an i5-4690K/4590K.
In this (very specific) circumstance, yes. It won't be as good as say.. an i5 or i7 for general multi-tasking though. Making it work also requires overclocking, if you're not comfortable with that it'd be better to spend an extra $120ish and get an i5-4690K/4590K.
Spend the extra on the CPU, then pick a cheaper CPU cooler to save $30 or so. Also, be on the lookout for motherboard-CPU combo deals, and if you have a MicroCenter store nearby to you, consider buying the CPU there instead of online.
In this (very specific) circumstance, yes. It won't be as good as say.. an i5 or i7 for general multi-tasking though. Making it work also requires overclocking, if you're not comfortable with that it'd be better to spend an extra $120ish and get an i5-4690K/4590K.
Definitely clueless about OCing. In theory I know what it is. But, I know myself and, I'd melt one down if I ever started playing with the throttle, sure as ****. Just replacing a couple components catches my breath a little. I completely F'ed up a computer self-build back in the late 90s, by not understanding compatibility. So Im spooked about what I dont know.
Someone throw me a couple recommendations of a three piece fix; mobo/cpu/gpu that all work with my other components, and simple out of the box ready (no OCing pls).... One where I can just; Install, DL drivers, done, type of package? Easy is worth overpaying by 50-100 bucks to me.
Ill probably just build myself a second all-new rig as a christmas present (when the new stuff is out). Id like to have two complete desktops for my home office/gaming room anyway, so my GF can play her WOW along side me. Might even get her to share a MC server w me if she had her own comp to use.
Can you guys see enough info about my current rig in this thread to make a compatability-certain recommend on a mobo/cpu/gpu swap?
I have an 800w power supply that I dont think shows anywhere in the above pics.
Definitely clueless about OCing. In theory I know what it is. But, I know myself and, I'd melt one down if I ever started playing with the throttle, sure as ****. Just replacing a couple components catches my breath a little. I completely F'ed up a computer self-build back in the late 90s, by not understanding compatibility. So Im spooked about what I dont know.
Someone throw me a couple recommendations of a three piece fix; mobo/cpu/gpu that all work with my other components, and simple out of the box ready (no OCing pls).... One where I can just; Install, DL drivers, done, type of package? Easy is worth overpaying by 50-100 bucks to me.
Ill probably just build myself a second all-new rig as a christmas present (when the new stuff is out). Id like to have two complete desktops for my home office/gaming room anyway, so my GF can play her WOW along side me. Might even get her to share a MC server w me if she had her own comp to use.
Can you guys see enough info about my current rig in this thread to make a compatability-certain recommend on a mobo/cpu/gpu swap?
I have an 800w power supply that I dont think shows anywhere in the above pics.
In that case i'd probably go with what PistonPowered/Alexx suggested. Does your case have 4 PCI/PCIe expansion slots in the back, or 7/8 (ATX or mATX)? Depending on which it is, motherbaord choice may change. Knowing the brand/make of PSU may help too. While it may be an 800W model, there's the potential for it to be a Logisys/Raidmax/Athena etc, which would be bad.
Also, out of curiosity, would perhaps you be able to zip up your mods folder and upload it to mega.co.nz or another file sharing site (Dropbox/Google Drive)? I want to see how well they all run on an overclocked (or stock) 2600K so I can get a bit of a baseline of how much performance is really needed for a stable framerate (and I really do not want to download them all individually :s).
Yeah, I have a 960+4460 and maxed out I get 50 FPS on Sildurs vibrant and 60-75 FPS on SUES Ultra(Which I can't use because of the water glitch) And that's without any mods.
@OP, is this a popular modpack or something custom? If it's one of the big ones, I'll try it out on my 960 and report back.
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In that case i'd probably go with what PistonPowered/Alexx suggested. Does your case have 4 PCI/PCIe expansion slots in the back, or 7/8 (ATX or mATX)? Depending on which it is, motherbaord choice may change. Knowing the brand/make of PSU may help too. While it may be an 800W model, there's the potential for it to be a Logisys/Raidmax/Athena etc, which would be bad.
Also, out of curiosity, would perhaps you be able to zip up your mods folder and upload it to mega.co.nz or another file sharing site (Dropbox/Google Drive)? I want to see how well they all run on an overclocked (or stock) 2600K so I can get a bit of a baseline of how much performance is really needed for a stable framerate (and I really do not want to download them all individually :s).
Its completely custom. I enjoyed the learning curve it took to build this... got a basic understanding of Forge, libraries, dictionaries, etc in the process... I learned enough to know that you should have the config files as well since i changed some values in the heavy worldgen mods. ie two separate zips.
I know Im running some code-heavy / entity-heavy mods;
Biomes o Plenty
Underground biomes
RWG
Streams
metalurgy
plant mega pack
Pams set
Mo Creatures
MCA
I get it that Im putting some serious weight on my machine
(BTW) first time Ive ever zipped something successfully, lol. You guys have to understand that I suffered through the dawn of personal computing ('88-'95) when NOTHING was drag and drop or plug and play. And by suffered, I mean none of it was being taught in colleges and there was no wiki, or google, or any other DIY sights on the web, so most of the things that you guys take for granted about computing and networking and building etc, tasted like **** the first time I tried them. Understand that my trepidation on these things is born of a personal first-experience database that is not positive on most hardware and software issues..... like zipping, lol.
In that case i'd probably go with what PistonPowered/Alexx suggested. Does your case have 4 PCI/PCIe expansion slots in the back, or 7/8 (ATX or mATX)? Depending on which it is, motherbaord choice may change. Knowing the brand/make of PSU may help too. While it may be an 800W model, there's the potential for it to be a Logisys/Raidmax/Athena etc, which would be bad.
Also, out of curiosity, would perhaps you be able to zip up your mods folder and upload it to mega.co.nz or another file sharing site (Dropbox/Google Drive)? I want to see how well they all run on an overclocked (or stock) 2600K so I can get a bit of a baseline of how much performance is really needed for a stable framerate (and I really do not want to download them all individually :s).
It has 7 PCI/PCIe slots (Im assuming youre asking about the row of slots of which my vid card is taking up two)... its a pretty big box.
on the build page, if I select a CPU, it automatically only allows me to select MOBOs that are compatible?
Does it also screen for all other components' compatibility as I select them, like ram, GPU, et al?
He77, I might just build a whole new box if the compatibility headache is gone.
You're talking about PCPartPicker.com? It shows all compatibility problems. Like GPU/CPU/Mobo/RAM/Case etc. Now it even shows if the PSU has enough PCI-e's and such.
If you give a budget, any of us can put a new build together if you decide to get one.
ALSO, I tested FTB infinity(161 mods) w/ Sildurs extreme and Fancy, maximum smooth lighting(I know it's not needed for shaders) 12 render, full particles etc on my 960 and it runs between 25 and 60 FPS. Honestly not bad at all. I was expecting less actually. Although it does have quite a few lagspikes.
Honestly Minecraft needs to be overhauled performance wise. I don't care what code it's in, but a game like this should not run so badly and inconsistently on medium to high end PCs that have such immense amounts of processing power. I see no reason this game on a 16 chunk render distance should be getting anything under 60fps constantly on a system like a GTX 750 and a Haswell Pentium or i3.
Honestly Minecraft needs to be overhauled performance wise. I don't care what code it's in, but a game like this should not run so badly and inconsistently on medium to high end PCs that have such immense amounts of processing power. I see no reason this game on a 16 chunk render distance should be getting anything under 60fps constantly on a system like a GTX 750 and a Haswell Pentium or i3.
I feel like there's a lot going on that needs to be analyzed by professionals, of which none of us are. I'm somewhat interested in graphics, so I'm probably in a better position than most others around here. I'm still not even at hobbyist level, but I can recognize the purpose of different algorithms and techniques. So, I'll give my half a cent here, until someone more qualified comes around to figure this out.
I feel like there's a fundamental part of the game that lends itself to being exceedingly taxing on graphics algorithms. It's a difficult problem to solve. Occlusion culling algorithms in this type of game are hard. People will complain if you screw up and don't render something that's supposed to be there. It's better from a development standpoint to over-render, especially in this extremely special case that is Minecraft (the community judgement is so radically different from most other games).
Hey Namezs (or anyone)
If you were gonna upgrade to the GTX960 and a new CPU, considering my RAM and MOBO, what CPU would you recommend?
or put more simply, considering the rest of my machine, what CPU/GPU combo would you recommend upgrading to... and keep it under $500 if you can, pls.
With Minecraft not being very well threaded, you could probably get away with a Pentium G3258 with a heavy OC in the meantime, though you would have to buy a new motherboard at the same time, so may not be worth it if you're willing to wait for Skylake.
G3258 single thread performance vs other higher end processors:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($58.50 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($58.39 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($125.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $242.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-23 00:11 EDT-0400
Would be able to hit 4.5GHz easily, probably up to 4.7 depending on silicon lottery. Good board with a good cooler, if you need extra performance in the future would easily be able to upgrade to an i5 or i7 and OC that quite heavily also.
As for graphics card.. MSI GTX 960 OC? Total with 960 included comes to $420ish after rebates.
Edit: Oh, and if Catalyst is up to date don't worry about it - current GPU seems fine considering circumstances.
K95 RGB / Logitech G502 PS / Alienware AW3418DW / ViewSonic XG2703-GS / Sennheiser HD 598
2g ram, full mod load, vid settings whacked way way down (everything off/ 8chunk render dist), on a dead run into unloaded chunks.
Whats the prognosis, and what would you do for under 500 beans?
Wait... you mean theres a $58 CPU out there that is better than mine? (I know, $242, actual cost to replace)
In this (very specific) circumstance, yes. It won't be as good as say.. an i5 or i7 for general multi-tasking though. Making it work also requires overclocking, if you're not comfortable with that it'd be better to spend an extra $120ish and get an i5-4690K/4590K.
K95 RGB / Logitech G502 PS / Alienware AW3418DW / ViewSonic XG2703-GS / Sennheiser HD 598
Spend the extra on the CPU, then pick a cheaper CPU cooler to save $30 or so. Also, be on the lookout for motherboard-CPU combo deals, and if you have a MicroCenter store nearby to you, consider buying the CPU there instead of online.
Definitely clueless about OCing. In theory I know what it is. But, I know myself and, I'd melt one down if I ever started playing with the throttle, sure as ****. Just replacing a couple components catches my breath a little. I completely F'ed up a computer self-build back in the late 90s, by not understanding compatibility. So Im spooked about what I dont know.
Someone throw me a couple recommendations of a three piece fix; mobo/cpu/gpu that all work with my other components, and simple out of the box ready (no OCing pls).... One where I can just; Install, DL drivers, done, type of package? Easy is worth overpaying by 50-100 bucks to me.
Ill probably just build myself a second all-new rig as a christmas present (when the new stuff is out). Id like to have two complete desktops for my home office/gaming room anyway, so my GF can play her WOW along side me. Might even get her to share a MC server w me if she had her own comp to use.
Can you guys see enough info about my current rig in this thread to make a compatability-certain recommend on a mobo/cpu/gpu swap?
I have an 800w power supply that I dont think shows anywhere in the above pics.
Definitely a CPU issue.
I'd say for goo performance, get an i5-4590
Also keep in mind having 150+ mods and 40 fps WITH Shaders isn't going to happen.
I have an overclocked i5 and a GTX 970 and I can't run heavy mod packs with shaders at all
So this is what I would do:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($72.00 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $441.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-23 01:12 EDT-0400
Gaming PC Specs - Intel i5-2500K ~ ASUS P8P67M-Pro ~ Hyper 212+ ~ MSI GTX 970 OC ~ 8GB DDR3 Ram ~ 250GB Samsung EVO 850 ~ 500GB HardDrive ~ XFX 550w PSU ~ Fractal Core 1000 ~ Windows 8.1 ~ Samsung P2350 1080p Soon upgrading to GTX 1080/R9 490X + 1440p 144Hz
Macbook Pro 15" Retina - Intel i7 ~ 8GB Ram ~ Nvidia GT 650M ~ 256GB SSD ~ 2880 by 1800 Screen <3
In that case i'd probably go with what PistonPowered/Alexx suggested. Does your case have 4 PCI/PCIe expansion slots in the back, or 7/8 (ATX or mATX)? Depending on which it is, motherbaord choice may change. Knowing the brand/make of PSU may help too. While it may be an 800W model, there's the potential for it to be a Logisys/Raidmax/Athena etc, which would be bad.
Also, out of curiosity, would perhaps you be able to zip up your mods folder and upload it to mega.co.nz or another file sharing site (Dropbox/Google Drive)? I want to see how well they all run on an overclocked (or stock) 2600K so I can get a bit of a baseline of how much performance is really needed for a stable framerate (and I really do not want to download them all individually :s).
K95 RGB / Logitech G502 PS / Alienware AW3418DW / ViewSonic XG2703-GS / Sennheiser HD 598
Yeah, I have a 960+4460 and maxed out I get 50 FPS on Sildurs vibrant and 60-75 FPS on SUES Ultra(Which I can't use because of the water glitch) And that's without any mods.
@OP, is this a popular modpack or something custom? If it's one of the big ones, I'll try it out on my 960 and report back.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."
-Albert Einstein
Current setup: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PJzPD3
Its completely custom. I enjoyed the learning curve it took to build this... got a basic understanding of Forge, libraries, dictionaries, etc in the process... I learned enough to know that you should have the config files as well since i changed some values in the heavy worldgen mods. ie two separate zips.
I know Im running some code-heavy / entity-heavy mods;
Biomes o Plenty
Underground biomes
RWG
Streams
metalurgy
plant mega pack
Pams set
Mo Creatures
MCA
I get it that Im putting some serious weight on my machine
MODS: https://mega.co.nz/#!CBkwwYBQ!fYpbWprEA0GlEnN4zmicTt3JcLsYTRU2EcTG5PHwHao
CONFS: https://mega.co.nz/#!fVMT0ZpQ!F1b--an6po-3q9NikA6fqdR0ObLr9kp0ldhtTJRTfpQ
(BTW) first time Ive ever zipped something successfully, lol. You guys have to understand that I suffered through the dawn of personal computing ('88-'95) when NOTHING was drag and drop or plug and play. And by suffered, I mean none of it was being taught in colleges and there was no wiki, or google, or any other DIY sights on the web, so most of the things that you guys take for granted about computing and networking and building etc, tasted like **** the first time I tried them. Understand that my trepidation on these things is born of a personal first-experience database that is not positive on most hardware and software issues..... like zipping, lol.
Anyway... Im a zipper now.
It has 7 PCI/PCIe slots (Im assuming youre asking about the row of slots of which my vid card is taking up two)... its a pretty big box.
Here's the power supply;
Question about that parts bin site....
on the build page, if I select a CPU, it automatically only allows me to select MOBOs that are compatible?
Does it also screen for all other components' compatibility as I select them, like ram, GPU, et al?
He77, I might just build a whole new box if the compatibility headache is gone.
You're talking about PCPartPicker.com? It shows all compatibility problems. Like GPU/CPU/Mobo/RAM/Case etc. Now it even shows if the PSU has enough PCI-e's and such.
If you give a budget, any of us can put a new build together if you decide to get one.
ALSO, I tested FTB infinity(161 mods) w/ Sildurs extreme and Fancy, maximum smooth lighting(I know it's not needed for shaders) 12 render, full particles etc on my 960 and it runs between 25 and 60 FPS. Honestly not bad at all. I was expecting less actually. Although it does have quite a few lagspikes.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."
-Albert Einstein
Current setup: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PJzPD3
Honestly Minecraft needs to be overhauled performance wise. I don't care what code it's in, but a game like this should not run so badly and inconsistently on medium to high end PCs that have such immense amounts of processing power. I see no reason this game on a 16 chunk render distance should be getting anything under 60fps constantly on a system like a GTX 750 and a Haswell Pentium or i3.
i5 6600k 4.6ghz / MSI 280X / 8Gb 2666 DDR4 / Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 / TX550M / 500Gb 850 EVO / NZXT S340 / Corsair K65 / Corsair M60
Hey Swervish! Hope everything's well. Advice in this thread has been solid, and I'll throw my support to it.
I feel like there's a lot going on that needs to be analyzed by professionals, of which none of us are. I'm somewhat interested in graphics, so I'm probably in a better position than most others around here. I'm still not even at hobbyist level, but I can recognize the purpose of different algorithms and techniques. So, I'll give my half a cent here, until someone more qualified comes around to figure this out.
I feel like there's a fundamental part of the game that lends itself to being exceedingly taxing on graphics algorithms. It's a difficult problem to solve. Occlusion culling algorithms in this type of game are hard. People will complain if you screw up and don't render something that's supposed to be there. It's better from a development standpoint to over-render, especially in this extremely special case that is Minecraft (the community judgement is so radically different from most other games).
"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."