Just read back and saw the stuff about "OMG a Mac is a Personal Computer":
Why do we consider Mac machines separate from "PCs"?
-Floppy disks labelled "PC Formatted"
-Software labelled "For Mac and PC" or, "For Mac" or "For PC".
-the entire industry since 1982. PC means "IBM-PC compatible" (well, not really anymore, but architecturally evolved from the IBM-PC)
Note a PC truly would just be x86/x64- at this point, Macintosh computer are in fact PCs by that definition but their history precludes them from being in the set that most people refer to as "PCs" by virtue of their history. If somebody asks if software will run on a PC, you are a pedantic douche purposely misinterpreting their words if you say "yes" and the only machine it runs on is a Apple IIe.
An Open Letter to people crusading that Mac computers are PCs and try to pedantic dickweed in conversations like this one:
Yes it's fun to act all smart and point out "haha the words are Personal Computer and therefore we must take the two words completely literally and laugh at anybody who thinks otherwise" the fact is that they are only called PC's because they are based on the same architecture legacy left by the Original IBM PC. Nobody called them PCs before that- they were "Microcomputers". Sure, some machines, like early Apple machines, were labelled "Personal Computer" but it wasn't until the IBM Original PC that the term "PC" actually meant something specific. Software would often say "For PC Users" or "For Mac Users" and a subset of people kept acting like this was some huge problem, as if the entire foundations upon which our language is based was going to crumble to the ground because the precise definitions of the words used in a shorthand no longer described that which the term was attached to. Yes. We get it. "Personal Computer" can mean any machine. How do you distinguish a Intel-based machine that can run a variety of Operating Systems from competitors? Do you say "Intel-based"? Except you can't say that, since Intel now runs Mac Machines too, So do we call them Windows PCs? No, because Linux also runs on these machines, which are often referred to by people who actually understand that word etmology often morphs the meanings of phrases to be more than their composite words as "PC". So what do we call them if not PCs? "Open Intel/AMD x86, X64 or ia-64 computer" is a bit of a mouthful. But I won't stop you. If you want to refer to what is generalized as a "PC" today using "Open Intel/AMD x86, X64 or ai-64 IBM-compatible computer" you're perfectly welcome to. Actually, you could probably make more headway doing something constructive like that then feigning ignorance on the entire thing and pretending that you haven't on multiple occasions queried whether a person is running a Mac or a PC or what OS they are using. I will refer to Windows and Linux machines as PCs and Macs as distinct platforms until they become similar enough that there is no longer a reason for the distinction.
Prebuilt computers/Macs and parts you use to build your own from, say, newegg all use the exact same hardware from the exact same companies and brands, oftentimes even the same model numbers. Not even the factories they are made in are different.
****, meant custom
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Contrary to popular belief, grammar is important!
Ex: Let's go eat grandma! OR Let's go eat, grandma!
In my experience of asking anyone,
PC = Windows
Mac = OSx
PC=Personal Computer. Both Mac and Windows are PC's. It's only when comparing both that PC is Windows since it uses less letters and people are too lazy to type Windows out.
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They charge for software updates
They are slow to admit flaws in their products
they are restrictive as to when and if they fix said flaws
they trick stupid people by using meaningless buzzwords (retina display etc)
They portray the unibody design as superior, when ABS/Megnesium is better
they release products without any real market testing
they promote extansive and invasive use of freedom restricting DRM
they charge obscene amount for foxconn hardware in shiny cases
they use free software and contribute back obfuscated code
they blame hardware issues on the user
I have owned two macbook laptops, OH GOD WHAT A FUKAN DISASTER
Laptop #1
Very laggy, often crashes and the os is unstable in general, no applications whatsoever have support for the mac os so I have nothing to do with the computer. Very weak outdated components, broken trackpad on arrival. idles at about 85 degrees cpu temp
Laptop #2
Still laggy and crashes same as laptop #1. Also has a broken trackpad on arrival, has a wrongly assembled monitor, bottom cover peeling off after a few weeks, takes about half a day to charge sometimes, sometimes the battery is dead in about half an hour, it idles at about 85 degrees cpu temp.
Those arent all the problems I had with the two macbooks I owned (same models), but they are the main ones.
Also I did not buy those macbooks (oh god no) they were given for free. I am surprised that people pay $1000 for that ****.
TL;DR:
Apple sucks
Huh, wonder why they were being given away, they sound like there in great condition. Microsoft also charges for software updates. The unibody is much sleeker, and stronger than a component case. So does every other company, aren't "Ultra" "HD" and "Widescreen" considered buzzwords too?
“These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise, it's continuing mission to explore a strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.”-Gene Roddenberry
They don't charge 30$ for small/meduim updates. Only when a entirely new OS comes.
. Can't open them either
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Ultra yes, Widescreen and HD aren't.
Maybe not widescreen (although when you see widescreen don't you go oh, that says widescreen), but HD is definitely, haven't you seen the "Swiffer HD"?
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Contrary to popular belief, grammar is important!
Ex: Let's go eat grandma! OR Let's go eat, grandma!
OS X has Time Machine, the same thing as restore points but IMO set-up better (like backing up to your external hard-drive)
Hate to break it and your Mac obsession. Windows 7 does the same. Backup and Restore snapshots, as well System restore which is much different. Neither is better then the other.
Hate to break it and your Mac obsession. Windows 7 does the same. Backup and Restore snapshots, as well System restore which is much different. Neither is better then the other.
Maybe not widescreen (although when you see widescreen don't you go oh, that says widescreen), but HD is definitely, haven't you seen the "Swiffer HD"?
Not Swiffer HD, but HD refers to 720p to 1080p. There are higher res monitors, but they are very expensive (for now).
“These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise, it's continuing mission to explore a strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.”-Gene Roddenberry
Apple makes decent hardware and is generally very good at product and interface design. Beyond that, I dislike the walled garden approach to things, so I really dislike the way Apple does business. They're very controlling and have a long history of attempting to trample the rights of their users and basically anyone they deal with. Ethical business practices aren't something Apple practices regularly.
Apple makes decent hardware and is generally very good at product and interface design. Beyond that, I dislike the walled garden approach to things, so I really dislike the way Apple does business. They're very controlling and have a long history of attempting to trample the rights of their users and basically anyone they deal with. Ethical business practices aren't something Apple practices regularly.
Again, the only hardware they actually make is the cases and sort of the mobos.
Yea u do know what freeBSD is that i mentioned? The backbone of OSX and freeware..
Unix-based =/= FreeBSD
There are many different Unix-based and Linux-based operating systems that are completely closed source, proprietary and not freeware. For example, Solaris.
This is like saying a junkyard spare-parts car is exactly the same as a ferrari, and thus the ferrari should be free because they both can drive you from point A to point B. It makes no sense.
Also the PowerMac range still uses 2 gen out of date cpu yet still charge $1k to get an extra one added to the system...
2nd gen out of date?
IIRC they use SB Xeons, which are still quite in date.
Since Xeons they use are already $1k on newegg, charging that much for a second one is not exactly a stretch.....
Yea u do know what freeBSD is that i mentioned? The backbone of OSX and freeware..
Sort of. But really no. OSX grew out of OSX Server, based heavily/completely on NeXTSTEP (of Steve Jobs's company NeXT), which in turn indirectly grew out of BSD. There was also marginal influence from FreeBSD and NetBSD. See this graph, which is unfortunately .svg so I can't embed it.
Why do we consider Mac machines separate from "PCs"?
-Floppy disks labelled "PC Formatted"
-Software labelled "For Mac and PC" or, "For Mac" or "For PC".
-the entire industry since 1982. PC means "IBM-PC compatible" (well, not really anymore, but architecturally evolved from the IBM-PC)
Note a PC truly would just be x86/x64- at this point, Macintosh computer are in fact PCs by that definition but their history precludes them from being in the set that most people refer to as "PCs" by virtue of their history. If somebody asks if software will run on a PC, you are a pedantic douche purposely misinterpreting their words if you say "yes" and the only machine it runs on is a Apple IIe.
An Open Letter to people crusading that Mac computers are PCs and try to pedantic dickweed in conversations like this one:
Yes it's fun to act all smart and point out "haha the words are Personal Computer and therefore we must take the two words completely literally and laugh at anybody who thinks otherwise" the fact is that they are only called PC's because they are based on the same architecture legacy left by the Original IBM PC. Nobody called them PCs before that- they were "Microcomputers". Sure, some machines, like early Apple machines, were labelled "Personal Computer" but it wasn't until the IBM Original PC that the term "PC" actually meant something specific. Software would often say "For PC Users" or "For Mac Users" and a subset of people kept acting like this was some huge problem, as if the entire foundations upon which our language is based was going to crumble to the ground because the precise definitions of the words used in a shorthand no longer described that which the term was attached to. Yes. We get it. "Personal Computer" can mean any machine. How do you distinguish a Intel-based machine that can run a variety of Operating Systems from competitors? Do you say "Intel-based"? Except you can't say that, since Intel now runs Mac Machines too, So do we call them Windows PCs? No, because Linux also runs on these machines, which are often referred to by people who actually understand that word etmology often morphs the meanings of phrases to be more than their composite words as "PC". So what do we call them if not PCs? "Open Intel/AMD x86, X64 or ia-64 computer" is a bit of a mouthful. But I won't stop you. If you want to refer to what is generalized as a "PC" today using "Open Intel/AMD x86, X64 or ai-64 IBM-compatible computer" you're perfectly welcome to. Actually, you could probably make more headway doing something constructive like that then feigning ignorance on the entire thing and pretending that you haven't on multiple occasions queried whether a person is running a Mac or a PC or what OS they are using. I will refer to Windows and Linux machines as PCs and Macs as distinct platforms until they become similar enough that there is no longer a reason for the distinction.
PC = Windows
Mac = OSx
****, meant custom
Ex: Let's go eat grandma! OR Let's go eat, grandma!
PC=Personal Computer. Both Mac and Windows are PC's. It's only when comparing both that PC is Windows since it uses less letters and people are too lazy to type Windows out.
Huh, wonder why they were being given away, they sound like there in great condition. Microsoft also charges for software updates. The unibody is much sleeker, and stronger than a component case. So does every other company, aren't "Ultra" "HD" and "Widescreen" considered buzzwords too?
Yeah, the RAM is overpriced, I just buy it from Crucial, much cheaper and probably more reliant (considering customer support and all)
Ex: Let's go eat grandma! OR Let's go eat, grandma!
They don't charge 30$ for small/meduim updates. Only when a entirely new OS comes.
. Can't open them either
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Ultra yes, Widescreen and HD aren't.
The OS is not a skinned version of Linux, not sure where you get that from. It's Unix-based, which is nowhere near the same thing.
The OS is UNIX based, that does not make it freeware since it is still proprietary. The OS itself is also only $40ish.
I'm not promoting them, mind you, just stating facts.
OS X has Time Machine, the same thing as restore points but IMO set-up better (like backing up to your external hard-drive)
Maybe not widescreen (although when you see widescreen don't you go oh, that says widescreen), but HD is definitely, haven't you seen the "Swiffer HD"?
Ex: Let's go eat grandma! OR Let's go eat, grandma!
Hate to break it and your Mac obsession. Windows 7 does the same. Backup and Restore snapshots, as well System restore which is much different. Neither is better then the other.
Windows has the almost the exact same thing.
Not Swiffer HD, but HD refers to 720p to 1080p. There are higher res monitors, but they are very expensive (for now).
Unless you mean the i"x" devices.
Unix-based =/= FreeBSD
There are many different Unix-based and Linux-based operating systems that are completely closed source, proprietary and not freeware. For example, Solaris.
This is like saying a junkyard spare-parts car is exactly the same as a ferrari, and thus the ferrari should be free because they both can drive you from point A to point B. It makes no sense.
2nd gen out of date?
IIRC they use SB Xeons, which are still quite in date.
Since Xeons they use are already $1k on newegg, charging that much for a second one is not exactly a stretch.....
Wrong link.
Sort of. But really no. OSX grew out of OSX Server, based heavily/completely on NeXTSTEP (of Steve Jobs's company NeXT), which in turn indirectly grew out of BSD. There was also marginal influence from FreeBSD and NetBSD. See this graph, which is unfortunately .svg so I can't embed it.
Could have sworn they were still on Nehelem, but I guess I was wrong.
EDIT: Aha, you linked it yourself. Those are Westmere, not Sandy Bridge.
That said, holy crap, I swear these were $800+ each not long ago.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519 50001157 40000727 600126648&IsNodeId=1&name=Sandy Bridge
Dat price drop.
What does Camelegg (or whatever that pricemapping thing is) have to say?
Wasting money is fun!