I'm in a computer graphics program at my school, and we are very fortunate to have excellent computers and a plethora of fairly up-to-date software on our hands. Personally, I love using Illustrator and I've found I have some skills with it.
Anyway, this class is kind of competitive in the sense that whoever excels and creates something amazing will be more likely to get amazing opportunities later. The main kids who 'excel' above the others do so because they have all of the software at home and on their laptops, so they can work on it whenever they want without school filter restrictions, instead of just our single class period to work. I know for a fact that 90% of their software is pirated because not only have they mentioned it to me before, but they offered to put it on my laptop. I declined because pirating IS stealing, and I try to stay honest.
However, because of their pirating, they get a leg-up on everybody else, and get to have fun making amazing graphics at home to boot. It's like the athletes who get pressured to use steroids because they can't compete without them.
Anyway, what is your take on this whole thing? I'm sad to say I've started considering doing it as well, though I haven't done anything yet.
For cheap things (up to 100 dollars), I'd buy anything. More than that, like for some ridiculous price like 700 for Sony Vegas Pro or 1000 for CS5.5 I'd pirate.
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I'd say in your case, yes. If this is something for school, you should pirate it so you can get a better grade. (Wow, imagine what our school system has come to when I have to say that) However, you should also try and see if you're school will give you some money so you can get a legitimate copy. However, in general, I usually have no problem with piracy as most things that are pirated already make a ton of cash anyway.
Pirating for educational purposes is separate from pirating for profit, in my opinion. Many of the major companies agree, as most of them offer huge discounts for student versions of their software. Autodesk, for example, will let you get any of their software for free as a student. All you need is a .edu email address and to sign up on their site. They are student versions, and intended for educational purposes only.
I am of the mind that education should be free, and the tools required to gain said education should be free as well.
Well, this definitely gives me a new take on it. I mean, I fully plan to buy all of it someday.
I read an interesting post somewhere else, his take is that the people who pirate it now are more likely to buy it later as professionals, because big software companies mainly focus on large firms, not poor artists.
Piracy is what you make of it, some people use it to be jerks and never pay anything, some use it to test games and then buy a legit copy, some use it to get educational materials they never could, piracy is too large a topic to really cover as an overview. The marketers out there are just whiners that can't adjust to the internet and the 21'st century IMO, that's why they and the FBI are crusading for justice to wipe out all pirates on the face of the earth, all they're going to do is get revolted against or start trying to take away free speech.
SOPA and such are a good example of this, and it's pretty clear the majority of the internet said "Hell no we won't go", to that one. It's pretty funny when a bill is trying to be passed and the only people supporting it are movie producers, record labels, and other heartless big businesses that only care about flipping a buck everytime they shove an orphan onto the street. People like that should not be making rules regarding freedom of trading information.
Piracy is what you make of it, some people use it to be jerks and never pay anything, some use it to test games and then buy a legit copy, some use it to get educational materials they never could, piracy is too large a topic to really cover as an overview. The marketers out there are just whiners that can't adjust to the internet and the 21'st century IMO, that's why they and the FBI are crusading for justice to wipe out all pirates on the face of the earth, all they're going to do is get revolted against or start trying to take away free speech.
SOPA and such are a good example of this, and it's pretty clear the majority of the internet said "Hell no we won't go", to that one. It's pretty funny when a bill is trying to be passed and the only people supporting it are movie producers, record labels, and other heartless big businesses that only care about flipping a buck everytime they shove an orphan onto the street. People like that should not be making rules regarding freedom of trading information.
Speaking of SOPA, we now have to kill of CISPA, it's pretty much SOPA but worse
Speaking of SOPA, we now have to kill of CISPA, it's pretty much SOPA but worse
SOPA on PCP, but there is a topic dedicated to that. Dont wanna risk nothing here.
I personally do not frown on software piracy, there is no cash lost really, just potential customers. Using Notch's view on piracy, he is one of few that see it that way, and probably why respected.
EA, oh man EA is the worst idiots to stop piracy, and fail at every corner. They probably waste more money on DRMs and so forth then they make up from legit bought software of theirs. Sony makes a killing because of their DRM, IIRC is Secur-Rom "correct me if wrong".
EA, is overkilling it.
Now we have rumors of upcoming consoles that will refuse used games, new games only, if the game has been used before, it will not work. Overkill and will crush the video game market if turns to be true, and places like Gamestop, Gamefly, etc will be ruined. All this in a attempt to control piracy as well, and used game market.
Like Satharis pirating is a large topic but I think pirating to test something that does not have a demo is okay as long as you
either buy the software after or if you don't like it just delete it. This topic brings up many different perspectives
and views that you could never say that pirating is good or bad.
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(Most of my emphasis goes here:)A. Education: A-OK. I do not believe anything piracy-related if it involves education of any kind should be illegal or pursued against. This is the age of information after all. B. Company generally scummy and doesn't give two shits about the customer: A-OK Companies have a responsibility to not be shitty. Don't pin things on pirates when you were the ones pulling BS (looking at you Ubisoft, RIAA, MPAA, EA Games). C. Product is broken and/or only the pirated version works on your computer due to crappy DRM: A-OK, if DRM does not allow you to use a product you paid for, you already paid for it and the product does not work. This is not your fault. D. Demo a product or game if no demo exists: A-OK. But if it's a game and you play for more than 2-4hrs enjoying yourself, stop and buy the product. If the game ONLY LASTS that long, it was never worth your money. E. Music: I pirate all my music, but either (if i like them a lot) send the artist cash with a letter explaining myself, or (if i like them a little) just buy something off their site/donate via paypal. Relevant image for music. F. Movies: I download the pirated version anyways because it is of better quality, but if I genuinely like a movie I will buy the dvd or bluray (even though I don't have a bluray player). This of course also depends on the studio publishing it, otherwise this falls into category B above. Relevant image for movies G. Everything if it is not legally available in your country for purchase: A-OK. It's not like you can buy it legally anyway outside of importing, which does not exactly count for multiple reasons.
These are really the only instances where I see it as morally correct, or being a responsible consumer.
^ I Agree with all of those. I will say I have some games, i did not buy off start, but normally buy them anyway. Because for one, I never played it and may not like it, for 2 if it sucks or not as good as people say then no money lost, 3 the DRM is crappy yet own the game like SPORE or Chronicles of Riddick Assult on Dark Athena "3 installs, and no more allowed on that license..." Demoing a game, I have nothing against it. It is like saying pirate BF3, you lose out on the LARGEST part of the game, the multiplayer, your loss to say but you can test Single player to see if you like it, or even if your PC can run it.
I support companies that respect customers and make quality stuff.
Like Satharis pirating is a large topic but I think pirating to test something that does not have a demo is okay as long as you
either buy the software after or if you don't like it just delete it. This topic brings up many different perspectives
and views that you could never say that pirating is good or bad.
Exactly how I see it sometimes. This is even how Notch sees it if anyone pays attention to that stuff.
If someone pirates your software, you lose no money/profit/revenue to say. They have problems with the software and its "crack/hack/etc", but they like and love the software/game. Guess what, they have a really high odd to buy the legit version because their "pirated" version is not working right.
I'm just glad that I've yet to encounter invasive DRM that embeds itself onto your MBR or any other such nonsense.
Securom is horrid to say at most. Every time I reinstall windows without formatting, this is what I end up with. I have 2 broken folders, because of it. Only way I can fix this, is to format after backup.
See, this is the "best" DRM in the world.
And to say Securom belongs to Sony, sigh. At least Steam does not have this crap, not as bad anyway. In fact, its this that made me go back to Steam.
And CISPA is why I hate the American government. Even though I am an American. I think it will be passed unless a lot of people boycott the supporters like in SOPA.
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And CISPA is why I hate the American government. Even though I am an American. I think it will be passed unless a lot of people boycott the supporters like in SOPA.
Being patriotic is standing up for your country and your people, not the government that runs the country.
Anyway, this class is kind of competitive in the sense that whoever excels and creates something amazing will be more likely to get amazing opportunities later. The main kids who 'excel' above the others do so because they have all of the software at home and on their laptops, so they can work on it whenever they want without school filter restrictions, instead of just our single class period to work. I know for a fact that 90% of their software is pirated because not only have they mentioned it to me before, but they offered to put it on my laptop. I declined because pirating IS stealing, and I try to stay honest.
However, because of their pirating, they get a leg-up on everybody else, and get to have fun making amazing graphics at home to boot. It's like the athletes who get pressured to use steroids because they can't compete without them.
Anyway, what is your take on this whole thing? I'm sad to say I've started considering doing it as well, though I haven't done anything yet.
I am of the mind that education should be free, and the tools required to gain said education should be free as well.
I read an interesting post somewhere else, his take is that the people who pirate it now are more likely to buy it later as professionals, because big software companies mainly focus on large firms, not poor artists.
SOPA and such are a good example of this, and it's pretty clear the majority of the internet said "Hell no we won't go", to that one. It's pretty funny when a bill is trying to be passed and the only people supporting it are movie producers, record labels, and other heartless big businesses that only care about flipping a buck everytime they shove an orphan onto the street. People like that should not be making rules regarding freedom of trading information.
Speaking of SOPA, we now have to kill of CISPA, it's pretty much SOPA but worse
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SOPA on PCP, but there is a topic dedicated to that. Dont wanna risk nothing here.
I personally do not frown on software piracy, there is no cash lost really, just potential customers. Using Notch's view on piracy, he is one of few that see it that way, and probably why respected.
EA, oh man EA is the worst idiots to stop piracy, and fail at every corner. They probably waste more money on DRMs and so forth then they make up from legit bought software of theirs. Sony makes a killing because of their DRM, IIRC is Secur-Rom "correct me if wrong".
EA, is overkilling it.
Now we have rumors of upcoming consoles that will refuse used games, new games only, if the game has been used before, it will not work. Overkill and will crush the video game market if turns to be true, and places like Gamestop, Gamefly, etc will be ruined. All this in a attempt to control piracy as well, and used game market.
Piracy can never be stopped, only delayed.
either buy the software after or if you don't like it just delete it. This topic brings up many different perspectives
and views that you could never say that pirating is good or bad.
This is relevant
B. Company generally scummy and doesn't give two shits about the customer: A-OK Companies have a responsibility to not be shitty. Don't pin things on pirates when you were the ones pulling BS (looking at you Ubisoft, RIAA, MPAA, EA Games).
C. Product is broken and/or only the pirated version works on your computer due to crappy DRM: A-OK, if DRM does not allow you to use a product you paid for, you already paid for it and the product does not work. This is not your fault.
D. Demo a product or game if no demo exists: A-OK. But if it's a game and you play for more than 2-4hrs enjoying yourself, stop and buy the product. If the game ONLY LASTS that long, it was never worth your money.
E. Music: I pirate all my music, but either (if i like them a lot) send the artist cash with a letter explaining myself, or (if i like them a little) just buy something off their site/donate via paypal.
Relevant image for music.
F. Movies: I download the pirated version anyways because it is of better quality, but if I genuinely like a movie I will buy the dvd or bluray (even though I don't have a bluray player). This of course also depends on the studio publishing it, otherwise this falls into category B above.
Relevant image for movies
G. Everything if it is not legally available in your country for purchase: A-OK. It's not like you can buy it legally anyway outside of importing, which does not exactly count for multiple reasons.
These are really the only instances where I see it as morally correct, or being a responsible consumer.
I support companies that respect customers and make quality stuff.
Exactly how I see it sometimes. This is even how Notch sees it if anyone pays attention to that stuff.
If someone pirates your software, you lose no money/profit/revenue to say. They have problems with the software and its "crack/hack/etc", but they like and love the software/game. Guess what, they have a really high odd to buy the legit version because their "pirated" version is not working right.
I don't understand, the hell's Lockheed, Toyota, and Ford got to do with it? Companies that shouldn't be involved should stay that way.
EDIT: It's like saying that I support killing Asian babies. Random cruelty and stupidity.
Securom is horrid to say at most. Every time I reinstall windows without formatting, this is what I end up with. I have 2 broken folders, because of it. Only way I can fix this, is to format after backup.
See, this is the "best" DRM in the world.
Why the hell does Campbell Soups have to do with it?
Companies like 1-800-petsmart (pet medication) were for SOPA as well, IIRC.
If you have no foothold technologically, you have no business getting people to pass legislation on such things.
That's like Burger King getting them to pass legislation on Nuclear Power Plants. It makes no goddamn sense.
And Boeing.
Surprised I haven't heard about this CISPA thing yet.
I'll start spreading the word if it heats up.
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BTW, nice "Frequency Modurator"