I need to know what good server specs are. I know this sounds general, but let me tell you my intentions.
I want to host, or have the ability to host a couple steam servers (source and below at this time, mainly CS:S,TF2, GMod, etc.) on a VPS. Some are against this idea, but I know it's possible and some do it easily. I know my provider is fine with it. Do you guys know what the cheapest, most reliable configuration would be?
My provider I am with right now has a dedicated server at:
Intel Xeon 2.4ghz quad-core
8GB DDR2 RAM
500GB HDD space
100mbit connection
Located in Atlanta, GA
With Xen, of course, and I know he wont oversell. What's a good ram+bandwidth configuration for some steam source servers?
Also I want to know what kind of resources a minecraft server needs. I found a place to buy dirt cheap servers/computers when available and I wouldn't mind grabbing one and throwing it in a friends house (hellss yeah ;)) on his fiber optic line. I know the reliability wouldn't be amazing. I just need to know what specs I should look out for when I'm browsing through the lots of servers/computers at this warehouse. I passed up some older Xenon based servers that were powerhogs and not worth buying. But they have a surplus of Core2Duos with space for some decent RAM...
What kind of server do you want? A private one with a couple of friends, or a huge one? If you want a huge one it would be cheaper to have it hosted somewhere else. I should know, I'm an admin on a whitelisted server for me and my friends and I host from Multiplay because my Internet isn't good enough.
For a minecraft server? It's not exactly my main focus. However, I was going to just grab a cheap physical server and throw it on a high bandwidth connection. I wouldn't expect it to be 20+ players, but if it could host 10 players that would be fine. If it got popular I'd probably migrate it to a VPS.
And the site isn't really helpful, to be honest. It's a local pickup only for Indiana, USA I believe... They don't sell parts, just pallets of computers and a few individual computers.
For a minecraft server? It's not exactly my main focus. However, I was going to just grab a cheap physical server and throw it on a high bandwidth connection. I wouldn't expect it to be 20+ players, but if it could host 10 players that would be fine. If it got popular I'd probably migrate it to a VPS.
For both. Also is this going to be a public server? If so I'd grab at least a C2D running centOS. 4GB of ram should be plenty.
I'll have a look at the C2D computers they have, friends have been telling me they should be fine for a basic server on any game. My idea is to host a game on my physical server for a while, if it becomes popular, pay for a host. Wouldn't that save some money?
Of course it would be running linux, I hate windows for server operation. When it comes to the option between say a 1.8ghz(not totally sure on this) and a 2.6ghz C2D for a $100 difference... Is it worth it? I'm going to go into the warehouse soon and see if I can't haggle the price down. They literally have 7+ of these machines.
Honestly, you could have the worlds greatest computer that could host 3 servers (spec wise at least) at once and have shitty internet connection and you would have crappy servers. Also, "grabbing a cheap physical server" and a great bandwidth produces the same effect as what I said before: a crappy server. You need a good EVERYTHING, which is why 99% of the time I will recommend hosting from Multiplay or somewhere like that.
I'll have a look at the C2D computers they have, friends have been telling me they should be fine for a basic server on any game. My idea is to host a game on my physical server for a while, if it becomes popular, pay for a host. Wouldn't that save some money?
Of course it would be running linux, I hate windows for server operation. When it comes to the option between say a 1.8ghz(not totally sure on this) and a 2.6ghz C2D for a $100 difference... Is it worth it? I'm going to go into the warehouse soon and see if I can't haggle the price down. They literally have 7+ of these machines.
Site?
And if you plan on moving it to a VPS youd be better starting there because your going to invest into a server you should make it as nice as possible. I see it as my tower has an i5 and I run the group server with 8GB of RAM my CPU has the power to be able to write that much RAM to the HDD if need be which is why a faster CPU would make all the difference.
tl;dr
If you must buy the server go with the 2.6 but in the long run you'd be better with a VPS. If you do, I'd reccomend Creeperhost, they offer a 1 time setup fee really cuts the cost down.
I don't think you realize what I'm trying to achieve.
With a cheaper physical server, I can test out gameservers. Throw a small server up and see if my community likes it. If they do, I'll grab a "real" server and host it. This allows me to have more options than paying out the ass for a server I may not even like/use.
I believe these Dell's have 2.6 C2D's with 8gb max ram or something ridiculous. So it should be fine for 1 minecraft server(low players), or a few source servers with low players. Best part is, it's coming out of my mom's pocket, and not mine.
I need to find out exactly what the internet specs are at my friend's... However, it has to be in this range...
Probably has Topaz, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a Sapphire connection.
I don't think you realize what I'm trying to achieve.
With a cheaper physical server, I can test out gameservers. Throw a small server up and see if my community likes it. If they do, I'll grab a "real" server and host it. This allows me to have more options than paying out the ass for a server I may not even like/use.
I believe these Dell's have 2.6 C2D's with 8gb max ram or something ridiculous. So it should be fine for 1 minecraft server(low players), or a few source servers with low players. Best part is, it's coming out of my mom's pocket, and not mine.
Regardless. It doesnt make sense to do. It will
1) Be on better hardware.
2) Will be less likely to be down
3) Is more respected
Honestly I have run a server before and that is what make sense. Im also pretty sure said friend doesnt have a proper colocation setup at his house.
Regardless. It doesnt make sense to do. It will
1) Be on better hardware.
2) Will be less likely to be down
3) Is more respected
Honestly I have run a server before and that is what make sense. Im also pretty sure said friend doesnt have a proper colocation setup at his house.
Tell him to go on speedtest.net
I don't think you quite understand...
First of all, proper colocation setup? I'm talking about grabbing some computer to throw at a friends house, plug in, and go. I'm not saying I want to run ANY serious servers on this! It would be like a test server. Cheaper than spending $20 a month per gameserver. It'd be a one time fee of at most $200, out of someone else's pocket. I'm not ignorant, however my friend is, and he doesn't know jack about computers. I know how to test his speeds, I'll perform a speedtest next time I'm at his house. Your grammar is horrid, which leads me to believe you don't understand or know what you're talking about. I know what a VPS/Dedi is capable of. I know it's advantages. In a serious environment, it would be better but not cost effective to host a server with no players on it. I appreciate your help, but I don't think you completely understand the point.
I don't think you quite understand...
First of all, proper colocation setup? I'm talking about grabbing some computer to throw at a friends house, plug in, and go. I'm not saying I want to run ANY serious servers on this! It would be like a test server. Cheaper than spending $20 a month per gameserver. It'd be a one time fee of at most $200, out of someone else's pocket. I'm not ignorant, however my friend is, and he doesn't know jack about computers. I know how to test his speeds, I'll perform a speedtest next time I'm at his house. Your grammar is horrid, which leads me to believe you don't understand or know what you're talking about. I know what a VPS/Dedi is capable of. I know it's advantages. In a serious environment, it would be better but not cost effective to host a server with no players on it. I appreciate your help, but I don't think you completely understand the point.
Thanks,
-Mini
Really? Setup a server on CentOS, build a tower, make music, and setup family members networks, then come and tell me "I don't know" what I'm talking about. This is an internet forum not a research paper. A general grasp on english required not a PhD. Clearly it isnt worth buying a VPS sold as Minecraft hosting. You go to OVH and buy a 24Gb i7 dedi for like 100 bucks a month and use that for the official hosting and for a test server and use that. I know what I'm talking about. Plus how hard it is to run a speedtest honestly? If your friend can click a link and copy something he can manage. Plus your spending 200 USD on outdated equipment. Also if you know so much how come you cant tell the difference between 2 clock speeds? Clearly if you aren't "ignorant" you would know.
I don't get why people think they're saving money building a server, between internet costs, electricity costs, the cost of the machine, you're paying more for crappy performance. Not to mention you'd have to play Minecraft on that server for a year or two to even break even, and you have no way to just "stop" before that and keep the extra money if you get bored.
I don't get why people think they're saving money building a server, between internet costs, electricity costs, the cost of the machine, you're paying more for crappy performance. Not to mention you'd have to play Minecraft on that server for a year or two to even break even, and you have no way to just "stop" before that and keep the extra money if you get bored.
Really? Setup a server on CentOS, build a tower, make music, and setup family members networks, then come and tell me "I don't know" what I'm talking about. This is an internet forum not a research paper. A general grasp on english required not a PhD. Clearly it isnt worth buying a VPS sold as Minecraft hosting. You go to OVH and buy a 24Gb i7 dedi for like 100 bucks a month and use that for the official hosting and for a test server and use that. I know what I'm talking about. Plus how hard it is to run a speedtest honestly? If your friend can click a link and copy something he can manage. Plus your spending 200 USD on outdated equipment. Also if you know so much how come you cant tell the difference between 2 clock speeds? Clearly if you aren't "ignorant" you would know.
If you dont want help then don't post.
I am not knowledgeable in regards to hardware. Setting anything up on CentOS is a matter using google to search terminal commands. So you're not helping your case. Along with making music and building a tower, all can be accomplished easily. Not to mention setting up a network? I know how to run a speedtest, thanks though. I've had numerous people tell me a C2D would run a source server or two fine. It's more of an experiment. In the event it gets old, I'll throw the computer in my mom's office replacing her Celeron based 512mb RAM computer she bitches about all the time. So it's not a loss for me.
I don't get why people think they're saving money building a server, between internet costs, electricity costs, the cost of the machine, you're paying more for crappy performance. Not to mention you'd have to play Minecraft on that server for a year or two to even break even, and you have no way to just "stop" before that and keep the extra money if you get bored.
I wanted to grab a older computer, and use it for fun. Never would I expect to make money off of such an adventure. I also wouldn't plan on spending any of my money on internet or electricity. No matter where I hosted it. The cost of such an experiment would be limited to upgrades and the initial purchase.
30 bucks for 20/4Mb? ****, I pay 60 for 15/1.5Mb. Damn ISP has a monopoly, and can just charge out the ass for the worst packages, and there's nothing I can do about it
I hear ya'. I'm on a copper line. 1.5mbps/356kbps for like $50 a month. I'm in a rural area which offers no other solution except dial up and satellite.
What is a decent VPS plan I should look for? If I wanted some room for experimenting. Since you guys are so against the experiment of a physical server. I want a VPS that could potentially run 2 or 3 steam source or lower servers. Minecraft isn't important to me at this point.
Well with that kind of internet, your gonna have a **** server bro. 356KBPS upload? That is horrendous unless source games are somehow more download speed based.
I need to know what good server specs are. I know this sounds general, but let me tell you my intentions.
I want to host, or have the ability to host a couple steam servers (source and below at this time, mainly CS:S,TF2, GMod, etc.) on a VPS. Some are against this idea, but I know it's possible and some do it easily. I know my provider is fine with it. Do you guys know what the cheapest, most reliable configuration would be?
My provider I am with right now has a dedicated server at:
Intel Xeon 2.4ghz quad-core
8GB DDR2 RAM
500GB HDD space
100mbit connection
Located in Atlanta, GA
With Xen, of course, and I know he wont oversell. What's a good ram+bandwidth configuration for some steam source servers?
Also I want to know what kind of resources a minecraft server needs. I found a place to buy dirt cheap servers/computers when available and I wouldn't mind grabbing one and throwing it in a friends house (hellss yeah ;)) on his fiber optic line. I know the reliability wouldn't be amazing. I just need to know what specs I should look out for when I'm browsing through the lots of servers/computers at this warehouse. I passed up some older Xenon based servers that were powerhogs and not worth buying. But they have a surplus of Core2Duos with space for some decent RAM...
And the site isn't really helpful, to be honest. It's a local pickup only for Indiana, USA I believe... They don't sell parts, just pallets of computers and a few individual computers.
For both. Also is this going to be a public server? If so I'd grab at least a C2D running centOS. 4GB of ram should be plenty.
Of course it would be running linux, I hate windows for server operation. When it comes to the option between say a 1.8ghz(not totally sure on this) and a 2.6ghz C2D for a $100 difference... Is it worth it? I'm going to go into the warehouse soon and see if I can't haggle the price down. They literally have 7+ of these machines.
Site?
And if you plan on moving it to a VPS youd be better starting there because your going to invest into a server you should make it as nice as possible. I see it as my tower has an i5 and I run the group server with 8GB of RAM my CPU has the power to be able to write that much RAM to the HDD if need be which is why a faster CPU would make all the difference.
tl;dr
If you must buy the server go with the 2.6 but in the long run you'd be better with a VPS. If you do, I'd reccomend Creeperhost, they offer a 1 time setup fee really cuts the cost down.
With a cheaper physical server, I can test out gameservers. Throw a small server up and see if my community likes it. If they do, I'll grab a "real" server and host it. This allows me to have more options than paying out the ass for a server I may not even like/use.
I believe these Dell's have 2.6 C2D's with 8gb max ram or something ridiculous. So it should be fine for 1 minecraft server(low players), or a few source servers with low players. Best part is, it's coming out of my mom's pocket, and not mine.
Probably has Topaz, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a Sapphire connection.
Regardless. It doesnt make sense to do. It will
1) Be on better hardware.
2) Will be less likely to be down
3) Is more respected
Honestly I have run a server before and that is what make sense. Im also pretty sure said friend doesnt have a proper colocation setup at his house.
Tell him to go on speedtest.net
I don't think you quite understand...
First of all, proper colocation setup? I'm talking about grabbing some computer to throw at a friends house, plug in, and go. I'm not saying I want to run ANY serious servers on this! It would be like a test server. Cheaper than spending $20 a month per gameserver. It'd be a one time fee of at most $200, out of someone else's pocket. I'm not ignorant, however my friend is, and he doesn't know jack about computers. I know how to test his speeds, I'll perform a speedtest next time I'm at his house. Your grammar is horrid, which leads me to believe you don't understand or know what you're talking about. I know what a VPS/Dedi is capable of. I know it's advantages. In a serious environment, it would be better but not cost effective to host a server with no players on it. I appreciate your help, but I don't think you completely understand the point.
Thanks,
-Mini
Really? Setup a server on CentOS, build a tower, make music, and setup family members networks, then come and tell me "I don't know" what I'm talking about. This is an internet forum not a research paper. A general grasp on english required not a PhD. Clearly it isnt worth buying a VPS sold as Minecraft hosting. You go to OVH and buy a 24Gb i7 dedi for like 100 bucks a month and use that for the official hosting and for a test server and use that. I know what I'm talking about. Plus how hard it is to run a speedtest honestly? If your friend can click a link and copy something he can manage. Plus your spending 200 USD on outdated equipment. Also if you know so much how come you cant tell the difference between 2 clock speeds? Clearly if you aren't "ignorant" you would know.
If you dont want help then don't post.
This.
I am not knowledgeable in regards to hardware. Setting anything up on CentOS is a matter using google to search terminal commands. So you're not helping your case. Along with making music and building a tower, all can be accomplished easily. Not to mention setting up a network? I know how to run a speedtest, thanks though. I've had numerous people tell me a C2D would run a source server or two fine. It's more of an experiment. In the event it gets old, I'll throw the computer in my mom's office replacing her Celeron based 512mb RAM computer she bitches about all the time. So it's not a loss for me.
I wanted to grab a older computer, and use it for fun. Never would I expect to make money off of such an adventure. I also wouldn't plan on spending any of my money on internet or electricity. No matter where I hosted it. The cost of such an experiment would be limited to upgrades and the initial purchase.
I hear ya'. I'm on a copper line. 1.5mbps/356kbps for like $50 a month. I'm in a rural area which offers no other solution except dial up and satellite.
What is a decent VPS plan I should look for? If I wanted some room for experimenting. Since you guys are so against the experiment of a physical server. I want a VPS that could potentially run 2 or 3 steam source or lower servers. Minecraft isn't important to me at this point.
No consumer lines are bottlenecked by consumer hardware in the first place, so a server is unnecessary.