Just think, macs have no viruses, pc's have vista's.
False. No operating system is immune to viruses.
When you build your own PC, you can actually CHOOSE whichever operating system you prefer, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. Yes, that means you can install Windows 7, Vista, XP, even OS's like Linux! Mac fanboys wouldn't know cause all they've ever had is their shitty Mac OS X.
And honestly, Vista wasn't even that bad. I don't know what everyone is complaining about.
uhm.... linux works fine on a macintosh. so does BSD and solaris. (even on old power pc macintosh's)
I could be wrong, but I think that on some Macs, installing Linux is a fight. Something about EFI, but I don't know what that is.
I'm a developer, specifically a video game developer (well, in college still =P). As such, I don't like Macs, nor Apple in general, I would LOVE to develop some Apps and pull in some money for my loans, but because I have a brain and use a PC, Apple won't let me. Plus several other reasons, not the least of which is that Macs are WAAAAY overpriced. For the same price you can get a PC with 3x the specs
Well even that your normal PC components are poorly chosen. With that price you could get 1 000 000 times better computer.
Yeah, I know. If I were to build a computer for myself I'd probably pay about that same amount and get a completely top-of-the-line computer. The double xeons really drive the price up, along with the 512 gb ssd. It would make more sense to get a single top-of-the-line i7 for less money, though I would probably keep the ssd.
Yeah, I know. If I were to build a computer for myself I'd probably pay about that same amount and get a completely top-of-the-line computer. The double xeons really drive the price up, along with the 512 gb ssd. It would make more sense to get a single top-of-the-line i7 for less money, though I would probably keep the ssd.
Only single 5770 with that price is the thing that really is going wrong there...
Indeed. I was going to say something about that but I forgot. In a related vein of thought, Mac charges $250 for a second 5770, or $200 to upgrade from a 5770 to a 5870.
From what I’ve seen in the 100 plus threads just like this one, Mac users jump to rash conclusions about PC’s based on hearsay and information accurate years ago but not necessarily true today. This living in the past if you can call it that is due, in part, to Mac users never using modern PC’s extensively opting for Macs because they are Mac people after all.
PC users on the other hand are quick to defend their platform of choice even when most have never touched a Mac and those who have, have never sat down long enough to become familiar with the Mac as they are with the PC.
Conclusion? Both parties do not have enough experience on either platform to make an informed argument. In words Red Hat rules.
From what I’ve seen in the 100 plus threads just like this one, Mac users jump to rash conclusions about PC’s based on hearsay and information accurate years ago but not necessarily true today. This living in the past if you can call it that is due, in part, to Mac users never using modern PC’s extensively opting for Macs because they are Mac people after all.
PC users on the other hand are quick to defend their platform of choice even when most have never touched a Mac and those who have, have never sat down long enough to become familiar with the Mac as they are with the PC.
Conclusion? Both parties do not have enough experience on either platform to make an informed argument. In words Red Hat rules.
Why do i need experience with MACs to tell me their hardware for their price is much worse then the equivalent regular PC? That's all the information I'd ever need, who wants to pay extra for a prettier OS that barely runs anything because many programs besides development tools, don't even run on MAC usually.
Linux might actually be decent if everyone that used it wasn't a psychopathic elitist that babbles about company conspiracies and other nonsense just because people actually -pay- for their OS and like the support you get from paying for it.
Certainly building a PC from scratch would be cheaper but that is a relatively small portion of the market share. I’m talking about the mass populace who purchases off the shelf gear. Yes Macs were overly expensive in the day and while there is still a difference it’s not significant.
Also, thank you for validating my point. Someone who I assume has never used Linux feel fit to judge everyone who uses it. If you did use it you would know that Linux users do receive support and there are normal people who use it! Imagine that!
Certainly building a PC from scratch would be cheaper but that is a relatively small portion of the market share. I’m talking about the mass populace who purchases off the shelf gear. Yes Macs were overly expensive in the day and while there is still a difference it’s not significant.
I've already done this comparison in another thread, you can get more power out of the same dollar value against an iMac, even using prebuilts. Ontop of that iMacs are pretty much the cheapest thing Apple offers, so, no.. it's pretty bad.
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Also, thank you for validating my point. Someone who I assume has never used Linux feel fit to judge everyone who uses it. If you did use it you would know that Linux users do receive support and there are normal people who use it! Imagine that!
I've used Linux, and i have friends that have used Linux. Personally i never found anything spectacular about Linux, it's more or less like Windows except setting up everything takes 10x the effort, i don't get many of the mythical crashes and constant bugs most Linux fanboys throw around, so I never really had a reason to use Linux seriously.
Truth: Most people that use Linux, dual boot it with Windows, because Windows is superior in many applications, and stability from Linux is more enjoyable in other applications. I don't know anyone personally that runs ONLY Linux on their computer.
Most people that crusade for Linux being better in every way shape or form, are as a fact, just fanboys, Linux barely has anything going for it over Windows besides pricetag.
MAC: Good OS, Linux mixed with Windows basically, but that's mainly because it isn't used as widely, most MACs are mainly used for office computers as they work well with development tools. Downside, unable to upgrade them really at all, and you pay quite a premium for the OS, not a thing for gamers or anyone that likes the freedom of doing a ton of different things.
Windows: Pretty much the baseline for OS's, can be glitchy at times, but has otherwise had a fortune put into developing it, normally a pretty solid OS and good at being "decent" at everything. It ends up being superior to MAC and Linux for many apps simply because it is most popular, and thus applications are made with Windows first and foremost in mind.
Linux: Free, much more stable, barely used at all compared to the other two, i think i saw a study that showed something like 5% of people use Linux, 15% or so use OSX, and the rest use Windows. Linux is kinda the 'specialist' OS and people only tend to use it for it's stability and that it is free, popular to dual boot with Windows.
Every OS has it's ups and downs, but honestly, Windows is probably the best baseline if you're a gamer or just a general computer user, it pays to have software written specifically for the OS you're using.
lol? I've done plenty of work related tasks on my PC.
I have used a Mac, and the UI and the actual computer is pretty freaking nice looking - but I think an eyefinity setup looks nicer :tongue.gif:
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Also, thank you for validating my point. Someone who I assume has never used Linux feel fit to judge everyone who uses it. If you did use it you would know that Linux users do receive support and there are normal people who use it! Imagine that!
My small amount of experience with Ubuntu back in like 2007 has taught me that:
a. Ubuntu had many more bugs and incompatibilities on my hardware than Windows. It seems like I always had to troubleshoot for days to get stuff to work on my(admittedly outdated) system with Ubuntu, whereas Windows XP worked great straight out of the box.
b. Ubuntu came with basically nothing that I actually wanted in a computer. If you want the ability to play anything other than .ogg and .ogm files, you've got to research which programs and libraries will allow you to do that, you've got to download them, and then you've got to learn how to fix the new dependency issues you get every time you install new software. Want to run flash, Java, or other proprietary formats? Good luck, you can't just download an executable from the maker of said proprietary website, you've gotta figure out which linux-compatible plugin will work. Sometimes you have to compile it from source.
c. If you have a stupid question, expect a condescending attitude from the Ubuntu community. They don't care that out of the 100 people who have asked the same question as you every one had a different specific problem, all they care about is that way too many people have asked the same question. They also seem to be laboring under the impression that everybody is a programmer with time on their hands. To them everybody is a beta-tester, and if you express an unwillingness to deal with bugs and/or improve the community/software, they see you as a leech who just wants to have free stuff without putting any effort in.
I'm not trying to generalize Linux outside of Ubuntu, and I'm not even saying the Ubuntu community would still be like that(or even was like that outside of what I saw), I'm just telling you what my experience was like 4 years ago and why I wouldn't go back.
I could be wrong, but I think that on some Macs, installing Linux is a fight. Something about EFI, but I don't know what that is.
Another thing I hate about PC people: A lot of them are ignorant and are fags when someone tries to share an opinion.
You know something?
PCs are for the stupid.
I use a Mac, and we hardly have any money at all to start with.
Sorry for being rude.
Great.
Has it occurred to you that that's YOUR computer?
I just went to the mac website and chose the mac pro, then maxed out all the options. here's what I got.
Macintosh computer:
# Two 2.93GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon “Westmere” (12 cores)
# 12GB (6X2GB)
# 512GB solid-state drive
# ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
# One 18x SuperDrive
# Apple Magic Mouse
# Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) & User's Guide
Total: $7899.00
Windows Computer(a la google shopping tab)
2 intel xeon hexa 2.93: $2500
6 2gb ecc ddr3: $130
Motherboard: $280
512 gb ssd: $1000
ATI Radeon 5770 HD: $130
DVD R/W 18x dual-layer: $90
Optical mouse: $10
keyboard: $10
Good case: $70
Windows 7 64-bit: $80
Total: $4300.00
I wasn't even looking for the best deal on all those parts. I just typed stuff into google shopping and took basically the first thing that came up.
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Yeah, I know. If I were to build a computer for myself I'd probably pay about that same amount and get a completely top-of-the-line computer. The double xeons really drive the price up, along with the 512 gb ssd. It would make more sense to get a single top-of-the-line i7 for less money, though I would probably keep the ssd.
Like anime? Try Visual Novels.
Indeed. I was going to say something about that but I forgot. In a related vein of thought, Mac charges $250 for a second 5770, or $200 to upgrade from a 5770 to a 5870.
Like anime? Try Visual Novels.
You only proved his point by necro-posting and sounding like a total moron. Seriously, refine your incomprehensible babbling.
PC users on the other hand are quick to defend their platform of choice even when most have never touched a Mac and those who have, have never sat down long enough to become familiar with the Mac as they are with the PC.
Conclusion? Both parties do not have enough experience on either platform to make an informed argument. In words Red Hat rules.
Why do i need experience with MACs to tell me their hardware for their price is much worse then the equivalent regular PC? That's all the information I'd ever need, who wants to pay extra for a prettier OS that barely runs anything because many programs besides development tools, don't even run on MAC usually.
Linux might actually be decent if everyone that used it wasn't a psychopathic elitist that babbles about company conspiracies and other nonsense just because people actually -pay- for their OS and like the support you get from paying for it.
Also, thank you for validating my point. Someone who I assume has never used Linux feel fit to judge everyone who uses it. If you did use it you would know that Linux users do receive support and there are normal people who use it! Imagine that!
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You need to do post that in EVERY Mac vs PC debate!
I've already done this comparison in another thread, you can get more power out of the same dollar value against an iMac, even using prebuilts. Ontop of that iMacs are pretty much the cheapest thing Apple offers, so, no.. it's pretty bad.
I've used Linux, and i have friends that have used Linux. Personally i never found anything spectacular about Linux, it's more or less like Windows except setting up everything takes 10x the effort, i don't get many of the mythical crashes and constant bugs most Linux fanboys throw around, so I never really had a reason to use Linux seriously.
Truth: Most people that use Linux, dual boot it with Windows, because Windows is superior in many applications, and stability from Linux is more enjoyable in other applications. I don't know anyone personally that runs ONLY Linux on their computer.
Most people that crusade for Linux being better in every way shape or form, are as a fact, just fanboys, Linux barely has anything going for it over Windows besides pricetag.
MAC: Good OS, Linux mixed with Windows basically, but that's mainly because it isn't used as widely, most MACs are mainly used for office computers as they work well with development tools. Downside, unable to upgrade them really at all, and you pay quite a premium for the OS, not a thing for gamers or anyone that likes the freedom of doing a ton of different things.
Windows: Pretty much the baseline for OS's, can be glitchy at times, but has otherwise had a fortune put into developing it, normally a pretty solid OS and good at being "decent" at everything. It ends up being superior to MAC and Linux for many apps simply because it is most popular, and thus applications are made with Windows first and foremost in mind.
Linux: Free, much more stable, barely used at all compared to the other two, i think i saw a study that showed something like 5% of people use Linux, 15% or so use OSX, and the rest use Windows. Linux is kinda the 'specialist' OS and people only tend to use it for it's stability and that it is free, popular to dual boot with Windows.
Every OS has it's ups and downs, but honestly, Windows is probably the best baseline if you're a gamer or just a general computer user, it pays to have software written specifically for the OS you're using.
Gaming -> PC.
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I have used a Mac, and the UI and the actual computer is pretty freaking nice looking - but I think an eyefinity setup looks nicer :tongue.gif:
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And so? Everybody has their own opinions.
My small amount of experience with Ubuntu back in like 2007 has taught me that:
a. Ubuntu had many more bugs and incompatibilities on my hardware than Windows. It seems like I always had to troubleshoot for days to get stuff to work on my(admittedly outdated) system with Ubuntu, whereas Windows XP worked great straight out of the box.
b. Ubuntu came with basically nothing that I actually wanted in a computer. If you want the ability to play anything other than .ogg and .ogm files, you've got to research which programs and libraries will allow you to do that, you've got to download them, and then you've got to learn how to fix the new dependency issues you get every time you install new software. Want to run flash, Java, or other proprietary formats? Good luck, you can't just download an executable from the maker of said proprietary website, you've gotta figure out which linux-compatible plugin will work. Sometimes you have to compile it from source.
c. If you have a stupid question, expect a condescending attitude from the Ubuntu community. They don't care that out of the 100 people who have asked the same question as you every one had a different specific problem, all they care about is that way too many people have asked the same question. They also seem to be laboring under the impression that everybody is a programmer with time on their hands. To them everybody is a beta-tester, and if you express an unwillingness to deal with bugs and/or improve the community/software, they see you as a leech who just wants to have free stuff without putting any effort in.
I'm not trying to generalize Linux outside of Ubuntu, and I'm not even saying the Ubuntu community would still be like that(or even was like that outside of what I saw), I'm just telling you what my experience was like 4 years ago and why I wouldn't go back.
Like anime? Try Visual Novels.