Because it's a CLC, and not a great one at that. I would not trust tiny narrow fittings and a pump that fits inside a CPU block, for a cooler that's expected to pump water through a foot and a half of tubing plus 240mm of rad space.
If you get the chance, I'd honestly suggest cutting open your tubing and fitting the ends to a separate aftermarket pump. Can't do much about the fittings as far as I'm aware, you'll just have to trust them not to burst.
Don't be so quick to judge. Maybe OP needs CPU performance much more than he needs GPU, which is why I asked him rather than just straight out saying "your build is unbalanced".
Because it's a CLC, and not a great one at that. I would not trust tiny narrow fittings and a pump that fits inside a CPU block, for a cooler that's expected to pump water through a foot and a half of tubing plus 240mm of rad space.
If you get the chance, I'd honestly suggest cutting open your tubing and fitting the ends to a separate aftermarket pump. Can't do much about the fittings as far as I'm aware, you'll just have to trust them not to burst.
Don't be so quick to judge. Maybe OP needs CPU performance much more than he needs GPU, which is why I asked him rather than just straight out saying "your build is unbalanced".
Have you never heard of the troubles people have had with overclocking Haswell? Yes, it runs cooler, but only because I've pushed my Haswell to 1.41v, a voltage that most people would consider insane.
The problem isn't TDP anymore. I have a stupid silicone-based TIM between my CPU and IHS; no matter how good my loop is there's really no way to keep it truly cool. The best thing I can hope for is for my loop to be able to carry away what heat it does take to the IHS, meaning hopefully it has the thermal capacity to carry a bit more. Yours has the nice fluxless solder still, which is much more powerful for thermal conductivity. Whatever cooler you throw at it won't be held back at all.
Try your CLC on a comparable system to mine with a comparable overclock voltage. I guarantee you the CPU will jump almost immediately to throttling temperatures.
Also, I would have a CLC than a ugly huge heatsink on my CPU. (exept some air coolers)
Then do some research and pick a good CLC (which, by the way, contrary to the belief of most people on this forum, do exist.) If you're already spending so much on a computer, why not spend a bit more and get a Glacer, which is expandable and takes custom loop parts, or even a Swiftech H220X, which actually uses custom loop parts? Corsair CLCs are overhyped and have a history of leaking and failing, and perform noticeably worse than comparable CLCs from other companies.
Nah, I'd rather not, too embarrassing. The sad thing about it is, I saved enough money to upgrade my PC and then suddenly my router, primary monitor, mouse and printer died within a 2 weeks! Great, about 600€ (+-50€) gone, just like that...
Trust me, nothing is embarrassing. Your system may not be extraordinary, but we only judge when there's a high-end system with some very bad design choices, not when there's a low-end system.
In fact, the thread that this one was designed to replace was actually called "How terrible is my computer?" and started off with OP showing an old system from 2005 or so.
I have a Mac OS X version 10 on my 5 year old MacBook Air, an Android 4.44 KitKat on my OnePlus One phone which will upgrade to Android 5.0 Lollipop soon, and a KindleFire HD 7 that runs on something...
Yes, it's trash and I've made some questionable choices (CPU, PSU and possibly MB), no SSD either (because of several reasons that I'm NOT going into). Now you can laugh about this poor thing...
No, they are not. A GTX 780 Ti is still somewhat of a beast, a GTX 670 is wimpy.
The CPU is bad because of the following reasons:
1. It's from AMD, in theory I could stop the list here because that alone would be enough.
2. It's 4,3 years old!
3. Unsatisfying IPC performance.
4. Missing modern instructions sets (bad H.265 encoding performance beacause of that).
5. Planetside 2, one of my favorite games of the past years runs with like 20 fps (+- 5 fps), CPU limited of course.
6. Last, I have the CPU in my PC, I of all people know what it is capable of and what not. I am able to judge it and I personally view it as a bad CPU.
A 670 still maxes out most games. Also, just because it's AMD, doesn't mean it's bad. 4-3 years old doesn't matter. Not all old things are bad. I understand it has its flaws, such as CPU-limit, but it's in no means bad.
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• CPU: Intel Core i3 4150 @3.5GHz
• Mobo: ASRock H97M Anniversary
• Ram: Kingston Fury HyperX Black 8GB(2x4) @1866MHz
I don't know if you speak from experience or not, but a 670 does not max out games anymore, never. I can't play Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, The Witcher 3 (probably), Dragon Age: Inquisition, Assassins Creed Unity, GTA V (probably), Star Citizen, etc. on maximum settings, especially not on 1440p, I even highly doubt 1080p.
Well, it's not bad because it's from AMD per se but the only good things from AMD in the CPU section nowadays are their APU's and low end CPU's (including embedded), that's it. Intel is far superior in the medium-high performance CPU section. Also, age is crucial in the world of technology/IT, everything ages rapidly because of continuous development. While there's hasn't been that much improvement in terms of raw CPU performance since AMD isn't a real enemy for Intel anymore, it still matters, even when there are only small steps between generations, plus, the Phenom II's weren't that good to begin with. A lot of old things are bad, especially, like mentioned above, in the world of technology/IT. I highly doubt that my first CPU is going to stand up against anything these days. I don't want to force anyone to share my opinion but I know how my CPU performs first hand and it is not great, not at all.
I would expect more performance..Most likely it's your CPU holding you back. I do agree on the AMD opinion.
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• CPU: Intel Core i3 4150 @3.5GHz
• Mobo: ASRock H97M Anniversary
• Ram: Kingston Fury HyperX Black 8GB(2x4) @1866MHz
But really, a GTX 670 is by far not a "beast", it wasn't even one when it came out. I also seriously doubt you can max new-gen games such as Unity, FC4, Hardline, Watch_Dogs and Dying Light at 1080p. A single 670 is a bit more powerful than a stock 7870 (roughly the same as a reference 7970), and I can guarantee you that my old heavily OCed 7870 (7950 level) could have never maxed any of the more recent games at 1080p, let alone run them at 60fps on med-high settings. Accounting for thefew extra fps of the 670, still wouldn't be anywhere close.
A Noctua would be nice.
• CPU: Intel Core i3 4150 @3.5GHz
• Mobo: ASRock H97M Anniversary
• Ram: Kingston Fury HyperX Black 8GB(2x4) @1866MHz
• GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 G1 Gaming 2GB GDDR5
• PSU: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB
• Case: Lian Li PC-50
• Monitor: Acer P221w 22" 1680x1050 60Hz
• Headset: Kingston Fury HyperX Clouds
• Mouse: Razer Deathadder 3.5G 3500DPI
• Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quickfire Rapid w/ Cherry MX Blues
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CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.00)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($208.00)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($71.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($199.00 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.79 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VX228H 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($145.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1406.64
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Why exactly did you use a 212 Evo for X99? The motherboard choice is questionable too.
And why did you cheap out on the case for a $1400+ build?
I'm assuming you're doing a lot more than gaming on this build?
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why? Keeps My CPU under 60C under full load
GTX 960 is too under powered compared to 5820K
Because it's a CLC, and not a great one at that. I would not trust tiny narrow fittings and a pump that fits inside a CPU block, for a cooler that's expected to pump water through a foot and a half of tubing plus 240mm of rad space.
If you get the chance, I'd honestly suggest cutting open your tubing and fitting the ends to a separate aftermarket pump. Can't do much about the fittings as far as I'm aware, you'll just have to trust them not to burst.
Don't be so quick to judge. Maybe OP needs CPU performance much more than he needs GPU, which is why I asked him rather than just straight out saying "your build is unbalanced".
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still runs cooler than yours, even with more than double a CPU TDP. http://prntscr.com/6j6y9t
Also, I would have a CLC than a ugly huge heatsink on my CPU. (exept some air coolers)
just post it, before this computer i had a garbage PC too.
Have you never heard of the troubles people have had with overclocking Haswell? Yes, it runs cooler, but only because I've pushed my Haswell to 1.41v, a voltage that most people would consider insane.
The problem isn't TDP anymore. I have a stupid silicone-based TIM between my CPU and IHS; no matter how good my loop is there's really no way to keep it truly cool. The best thing I can hope for is for my loop to be able to carry away what heat it does take to the IHS, meaning hopefully it has the thermal capacity to carry a bit more. Yours has the nice fluxless solder still, which is much more powerful for thermal conductivity. Whatever cooler you throw at it won't be held back at all.
Try your CLC on a comparable system to mine with a comparable overclock voltage. I guarantee you the CPU will jump almost immediately to throttling temperatures.
Then do some research and pick a good CLC (which, by the way, contrary to the belief of most people on this forum, do exist.) If you're already spending so much on a computer, why not spend a bit more and get a Glacer, which is expandable and takes custom loop parts, or even a Swiftech H220X, which actually uses custom loop parts? Corsair CLCs are overhyped and have a history of leaking and failing, and perform noticeably worse than comparable CLCs from other companies.
Black Aura (Now with a custom loop!)
Trust me, nothing is embarrassing. Your system may not be extraordinary, but we only judge when there's a high-end system with some very bad design choices, not when there's a low-end system.
In fact, the thread that this one was designed to replace was actually called "How terrible is my computer?" and started off with OP showing an old system from 2005 or so.
Black Aura (Now with a custom loop!)
I have a Mac OS X version 10 on my 5 year old MacBook Air, an Android 4.44 KitKat on my OnePlus One phone which will upgrade to Android 5.0 Lollipop soon, and a KindleFire HD 7 that runs on something...
Can't tell if you're joking....
If you're not, that PC isn't trash at all lol
Gaming PC Specs - Intel i5-2500K ~ ASUS P8P67M-Pro ~ Hyper 212+ ~ MSI GTX 970 OC ~ 8GB DDR3 Ram ~ 250GB Samsung EVO 850 ~ 500GB HardDrive ~ XFX 550w PSU ~ Fractal Core 1000 ~ Windows 8.1 ~ Samsung P2350 1080p Soon upgrading to GTX 1080/R9 490X + 1440p 144Hz
Macbook Pro 15" Retina - Intel i7 ~ 8GB Ram ~ Nvidia GT 650M ~ 256GB SSD ~ 2880 by 1800 Screen <3
It's not trash though. GTX 670's are still complete beasts. Not a bad CPU either..
• CPU: Intel Core i3 4150 @3.5GHz
• Mobo: ASRock H97M Anniversary
• Ram: Kingston Fury HyperX Black 8GB(2x4) @1866MHz
• GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 G1 Gaming 2GB GDDR5
• PSU: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB
• Case: Lian Li PC-50
• Monitor: Acer P221w 22" 1680x1050 60Hz
• Headset: Kingston Fury HyperX Clouds
• Mouse: Razer Deathadder 3.5G 3500DPI
• Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quickfire Rapid w/ Cherry MX Blues
A 670 still maxes out most games. Also, just because it's AMD, doesn't mean it's bad. 4-3 years old doesn't matter. Not all old things are bad. I understand it has its flaws, such as CPU-limit, but it's in no means bad.
• CPU: Intel Core i3 4150 @3.5GHz
• Mobo: ASRock H97M Anniversary
• Ram: Kingston Fury HyperX Black 8GB(2x4) @1866MHz
• GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 G1 Gaming 2GB GDDR5
• PSU: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB
• Case: Lian Li PC-50
• Monitor: Acer P221w 22" 1680x1050 60Hz
• Headset: Kingston Fury HyperX Clouds
• Mouse: Razer Deathadder 3.5G 3500DPI
• Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quickfire Rapid w/ Cherry MX Blues
I would expect more performance..Most likely it's your CPU holding you back. I do agree on the AMD opinion.
• CPU: Intel Core i3 4150 @3.5GHz
• Mobo: ASRock H97M Anniversary
• Ram: Kingston Fury HyperX Black 8GB(2x4) @1866MHz
• GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 G1 Gaming 2GB GDDR5
• PSU: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB
• Case: Lian Li PC-50
• Monitor: Acer P221w 22" 1680x1050 60Hz
• Headset: Kingston Fury HyperX Clouds
• Mouse: Razer Deathadder 3.5G 3500DPI
• Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quickfire Rapid w/ Cherry MX Blues
No on 1080p.
• CPU: Intel Core i3 4150 @3.5GHz
• Mobo: ASRock H97M Anniversary
• Ram: Kingston Fury HyperX Black 8GB(2x4) @1866MHz
• GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 G1 Gaming 2GB GDDR5
• PSU: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
• HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB
• Case: Lian Li PC-50
• Monitor: Acer P221w 22" 1680x1050 60Hz
• Headset: Kingston Fury HyperX Clouds
• Mouse: Razer Deathadder 3.5G 3500DPI
• Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quickfire Rapid w/ Cherry MX Blues
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But really, a GTX 670 is by far not a "beast", it wasn't even one when it came out. I also seriously doubt you can max new-gen games such as Unity, FC4, Hardline, Watch_Dogs and Dying Light at 1080p. A single 670 is a bit more powerful than a stock 7870 (roughly the same as a reference 7970), and I can guarantee you that my old heavily OCed 7870 (7950 level) could have never maxed any of the more recent games at 1080p, let alone run them at 60fps on med-high settings. Accounting for thefew extra fps of the 670, still wouldn't be anywhere close.
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Upstairs backup machine:
Upstairs guest bedroom PC:
Server 1: Infrastructure (AD/DNS/DHCP/DFS)
Server 2: Internet (Web/FTP)
Server 3: File storage
Server 4: Game host (Dedicated game serving)
Server 5: Firewall
I also have a 17" Macbook Pro that floats around wherever it is needed.
Just my computer
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
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Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
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Monitor: Acer G236HLBbd 60Hz 23.0" Monitor
Keyboard: Thermaltake CHALLENGER Illuminated Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Gigabyte GM-KRYPTON Wired Laser Mouse
Speakers: Genius SP-S110 1W 2ch Speakers
It took ~1000$ to build but it was slowly upgraded,the first thing being the mobo ofc