I'm a pretty forgiving guy...
Using skyblock as an example, (sorry if you've read my posts, I mention this map a lot :tongue.gif:) I'd say dying to refill food bar is cheating, spawning things you cannot normally craft is cheating. (like spawning working sponges in vanilla) Flying is cheating.
What is NOT cheating to me?
Accidentally dying then having to spawn back something irreplacable. (ex- playing a challenge map, being afk, starve to death and lose 2 smoothestone needed to craft button)
Spawning 'equal exchange.' If you're playing skyblock, you can NOT obtain redstone. A good ratio for me personally would be 5 enderpearls per redstone.... It has to be fair-ish. (I'm terrified of Endermen, and they can't be mob-ground.)
There is no such thing as cheating. Play however you want.
Personally- the only mod I use is a minimap. Nothing at all that changes gameplay in any way. I find giving items/superpowers/building without playing/etc to make the game boring. But that's just me. Play however you want and don't worry what 12 year old children on the internet think about you.
In singleplayer, you technically cannot cheat because cheating is breaking the objectives set for yourself. However, you can define certain things as playing legit and certain things as not playing legit.
Multiplayer is an entirely different matter.
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He who lives in a water house should not throw sponges.
You can't cheat, but he's talking about 'let's plays.'
Nobody wants to watch somebody spawn 600 trillion diamonds on a 'find 20 diamonds' challenge, or X-ray for dungeons on a 'find the dungeon' challenge...
While I understand this argument's merits no actually this argument is completely flawed.
When playing single player, yeah nobody cares if you cheat or not. so in that respect you could say that there is no such thing as cheating. BUT considering that the game does not let you have infinite blocks, there is most definitely cheating. If there was no cheating there wouldn't be a difference between survival and creative. Every game has rules, and breaking them is cheating. period. Cheating makes achieving your goals easier.
That being said I am not condemning cheating, I do it. However, I'm sure that there is a general consensus that always cheating would make the game boring. Also I believe it is very important to let other people know if you cheated or not when you show off your creation. aka did it legit.
For such reasons, I think it is important to create general guidelines for what is cheating/legit or not.So I think from here it is very easy to define cheating.
If you only ever run Minecraft to make changes or view your save file, then you have not cheated with a few exceptions:
1: exiting the client to manipulate things in any way i.e. item duping.
2: unstable releases that have major glitches
Anything inside the game itself cannot be considered cheating because it is coded in, and therefore abides by the rules. ie dieing to refill your hunger/health. However, suddenly closing your client to dupe items is cheating because it is outside of the games code, and therefore rules.
In the purist sense, anything outside of the game is cheating; even cartograph. Most people won't judge to harshly on that however.
Every game has rules, and breaking them is cheating.
To cheat you must do something outside of the game (mods, MCEdit, cartograph, INVedit) and you cannot cheat using only the game.
I don't see anything wrong with flying... Notch could have given Steve wings, but he didn't, so Zombe did it instead.
I don't see the logic here. You can't assume that just because 'he could of' added flying that he had ever intended to.
He could've also made blocks a one-hit break, but he didn't, so Rustywolf made it instead.
It's called a modification for a reason, man.
an act or instance of modifying.
the state of being modified; partial alteration. 3.
a modified form; allow subject to do things that were otherwise not intended.
Biology. a change in a living organism acquired from its own activity or environment and not transmitted to its descendants.
limitation or qualification.
the only thing i dont consider cheating is playing legit. with no server mods.
Same here, I personally hate server mods, especially ones that have a leveling system that makes you stronger at higher levels giving an advantage in PVP (I used to play on a few servers with that mod, I forget what it was called, it was 1.3 lol.) The one thing I can not stand in SMP is when admins spawn themselves items and fly and act like complete assholes.
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Users lack the mental capacity to have intelligent discussion, and mods lack the mental capacity to make intellegent decisions... I give up trying to share my intelligence with the world.