many people complain about something = developer knows changing it should be a higher priority
minecraft has no defined development cycle, its ever changing, there isnt a diffrence between alpha updates and beta updates, and notch even said release updates wont be much different. you also need to remember there are 2 million buyers of minecraft, it doesnt matter what stage the game is at, if a large part of them are complaining about a certain thing, the developer will have to change it. and complaining about time it takes IS valid. you cant have a developer go to a vacation for years while all of his customers are waiting for product to be functionable.
Yes, but many people post bug reports on these forums that have already been reported literally hundreds of times- even after the developers are already aware of it. I've also seen many insert pointless complaints with the bugs. There's a difference between reporting bugs/stating and what you like or dislike about the game and bitching constantly about how the game sucks and the development has stagnated.
"Taking a vacation for years"...? This game is under constant development, and the team is dividing its efforts between two different games (read the wiki). Small numbers of features are being added slowly over time to build up a stable, feature complete game. You obviously have no ****ing idea how much effort is being put into it.
Your native language doesn't have capitol letters?
Edit: LOL at the poisoned food analogy. I shouldn't even have to explain why that comparison doesn't work (HINT: Minecraft doesn't hurt you in any way).
I'm not the smartest man, but I had a thought. If that's a Mojang video and Notch is the developer, and the developer is a person that can make changes to the code, and pigs don't normally sit still like that...
Maybe... he coded a special pig that sat still so he could make a nice video? Kind of like how that one time there was a button to spawn a Nether portal? Nah, it's definitely a brand new bug that he was too stupid to notice even though he filmed it.
The person clipping through the wall? Big deal. I have yet to play a game that doesn't have some weird circumstance in which an entity can partially clip through the wall. Would you rather Notch spend all of his time from now to November making sure it's impossible for entities to partially clip each other?
and again with the "maybe..." considering the video wasnt done by notch, but by the site whos name i cant remember that gets early releases of minecraft, yeah, its entirely possible that mojang didnt notice it. the frozen pig could be aswell a bug that effects all mobs and removes there AI, but since you got no access to that version, you have no way to know it. also reporting bugs doesnt mean the developer should take on it right away, it means that the developer should take note of it. and notch doesnt exactly test the game. remember 1.5, 1.3 beta before hotfix, 1.2.3_02 alpha and 1.0.7_04 alpha tat broke minecraft entirely? remember the SMP bugs that anyone that played more a minute can notice? yeah.
and again with the "maybe..." considering the video wasnt done by notch, but by the site whos name i cant remember that gets early releases of minecraft, yeah, its entirely possible that mojang didnt notice it. the frozen pig could be aswell a bug that effects all mobs and removes there AI, but since you got no access to that version, you have no way to know it. also reporting bugs doesnt mean the developer should take on it right away, it means that the developer should take note of it. and notch doesnt exactly test the game. remember 1.5, 1.3 beta before hotfix, 1.2.3_02 alpha and 1.0.7_04 alpha tat broke minecraft entirely? remember the SMP bugs that anyone that played more a minute can notice? yeah.
Of course, the game is never tested at all before release- its not like there could have been a last mistake in the patch that broke it. The logical conclusion to come to is that Notch no longer gives a **** about Minecraft and spends all of his time lounging around and never notices any bugs.
Yes, but many people post bug reports on these forums that have already been reported literally hundreds of times- even after the developers are already aware of it. I've also seen many insert pointless complaints with the bugs. There's a difference between reporting bugs/stating and what you like or dislike about the game and bitching constantly about how the game sucks and the development has stagnated.
"Taking a vacation for years"...? This game is under constant development, and the team is dividing its efforts between two different games (read the wiki). Small numbers of features are being added slowly over time to build up a stable, feature complete game. You obviously have no ****ing idea how much effort is being put into it.
Your native language doesn't have capitol letters?
Edit: LOL at the poisoned food analogy. I shouldn't even have to explain why that comparison doesn't work (HINT: Minecraft doesn't hurt you in any way).
yes, theres the complainers that complain just for the heck of it, but theres also the complainers to complain in attempt to make the game better, but most just treat these the same. ive seen a thread about somebody who said minecraft SMP is having a problem with network buffering, and he was bombarded by people who said things like "this is beta!" "stop playing COD idiot" and similar things, because apparently reporting a bug equals dissing the bible or something. and why you dont understand im giving examples? i wasnt saying notch is taking vacations for years, didnt i? you seem to miss the point of complaining to improve something.
yes, hebrew doesnt have capitAl letters. i dont see what that has to do with anything?
as for the EDIT, yeah im tired, cant give good examples, but you should understand the general idea.
Of course, the game is never tested at all before release- its not like there could have been a last mistake in the patch that broke it. The logical conclusion to come to is that Notch no longer gives a **** about Minecraft and spends all of his time lounging around and never notices any bugs.
and.. overreacting? saying notch doesnt exactly test the game before release (which is somewhat true) means notch no longer cares about minecraft etc etc etc?
and.. overreacting? saying notch doesnt exactly test the game before release (which is somewhat true) means notch no longer cares about minecraft etc etc etc?
yes, theres the complainers that complain just for the heck of it, but theres also the complainers to complain in attempt to make the game better, but most just treat these the same. ive seen a thread about somebody who said minecraft SMP is having a problem with network buffering, and he was bombarded by people who said things like "this is beta!" "stop playing COD idiot" and similar things, because apparently reporting a bug equals dissing the bible or something. and why you dont understand im giving examples? i wasnt saying notch is taking vacations for years, didnt i? you seem to miss the point of complaining to improve something.
I wasn't trying to be an ass about your grammar if your native language is in fact Hebrew, I was just skeptical because many English speakers use that as an excuse to not use correct grammar and spelling on forums (I've seen "hay- for all you know my english might not be my first language ktnxbye" one to many times).
Anyways, I agree entirely that bugs should be reported, and if you don't like something then its okay to say so. However, this community is honestly one of the worst I've been to in terms of complaining- there's already been dozens of threads complaining about the 1.6 update and honestly another thread about bugs spotted in an old video that may or may not have been made entirely in Minecraft at all is not needed. You can report it when the patch is actually released.
Hundreds of redundant reports have the effect of drowning out other bugs and quirks that aren't as noticeable, so constant complaining is still a bad thing. Reporting something twice really won't get it done faster.
I understand your point, but the vast majority of complaints here are nothing more than groundless immature bitching. That includes almost all of the ones on the front page of the forum right now, and the annoying swarms that come with every update.
I wasn't trying to be an ass about your grammar if your native language is in fact Hebrew, I was just skeptical because many English speakers use that as an excuse to not use correct grammar and spelling on forums (I've seen "hay- for all you know my english might not be my first language ktnxbye" one to many times).
Anyways, I agree entirely that bugs should be reported, and if you don't like something then its okay to say so. However, this community is honestly one of the worst I've been to in terms of complaining- there's already been dozens of threads complaining about the 1.6 update and honestly another thread about bugs spotted in an old video that may or may not have been made entirely in Minecraft at all is not needed. You can report it when the patch is actually released.
Hundreds of redundant reports have the effect of drowning out other bugs and quirks that aren't as noticeable, so constant complaining is still a bad thing. Reporting something twice really won't get it done faster.
I understand your point, but the vast majority of complaints here are nothing more than groundless immature bitching. That includes almost all of the ones on the front page of the forum right now, and the annoying swarms that come with every update.
cant say much other than agreeing. posting this thread may not be a wise idea, but IMO seeing redundant bugs being shown in a video of the only update that supposed to be focused on bug fixes kind of made me annoyed
you use video editing software to add filters and you click F1 to remove the bottom part and the version number :biggrin.gif:
Okay then... Here goes. First off, what are the chances that we saw the creeper blow up just after the camera focused on the librarian? Unless they wanted to spend several hours getting it right, they would be controlling it to ensure that they got good footage, and that obviously can't be done in vanilla minecraft.
Now then. At the very front of the video, where the walrus was throwing paper down onto the librarian's desk, atleast some of the papers should have been picked up by the librarian. But they weren't, so either notch broke such an important aspect of the game without fixing it immediately, or that wasn't recorded in minecraft.
Okay then... Here goes. First off, what are the chances that we saw the creeper blow up just after the camera focused on the librarian? Unless they wanted to spend several hours getting it right, they would be controlling it to ensure that they got good footage, and that obviously can't be done in vanilla minecraft.
Now then. At the very front of the video, where the walrus was throwing paper down onto the librarian's desk, atleast some of the papers should have been picked up by the librarian. But they weren't, so either notch broke such an important aspect of the game without fixing it immediately, or that wasn't recorded in minecraft.
You know, theres a such clever mechanic in the game, that makes you not pick up items when you have a full inventory.
Jesus christ. It seems sometimes that people play the updates, not the game. It's like 'oh, cool! 1.5's been released! why hasn't 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 and 1.12 been released too?'
Play the game. Seriously.
would like to, if network buffer was fixed. listed as bug fix on 1.6, so i hope that issue is finally solved. you got to remember its 2 and half months there though.
for example, a company releases a food product that contains posion. the customers need the food product fixed, but the company answers: "it takes time to do such things. stop being so impatient. we will do it when we like to." you see where im getting at?
Good god this analogy is terrible. You realize that this is a BETA and thus HASN'T BEEN RELEASED. Plus, in no way is the game "poison". It's not like it breaks your computer, it just has minor bugs that hardly harm anyone's enjoyment unless they expect a beta to be flawless.
A proper analogy would be a food company allowing people to assist in developing a food product, and it still tastes bad, so the people testing it complain that they haven't gotten it to taste good yet.
HURRRR it's not out yet you morons, the food is still in development! Complain when it's released, not 7 months before.
Good god this analogy is terrible. You realize that this is a BETA and thus HASN'T BEEN RELEASED. Plus, in no way is the game "poison". It's not like it breaks your computer, it just has minor bugs that hardly harm anyone's enjoyment unless they expect a beta to be flawless.
A proper analogy would be a food company allowing people to assist in developing a food product, and it still tastes bad, so the people testing it complain that they haven't gotten it to taste good yet.
HURRRR it's not out yet you morons, the food is still in development! Complain when it's released, not 7 months before.
I haven't chosen a side yet, but this argument is bad. If the tester isn't supposed to say "this tastes bad", then what is he supposed to do? What is the point in a tester that doesn't help?
On the other hand, imagine the company if all the testers started jumping around wildy screaming like apes, over a small, meaningless, issue, saying it has to be fixed this instant.
We are testers. It is our duty to inform of bugs. Our duty is not to scream at Notch telling him how and when he needs to do things.
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No you didn't, because TNT damage doesn't stack.
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Yes, but many people post bug reports on these forums that have already been reported literally hundreds of times- even after the developers are already aware of it. I've also seen many insert pointless complaints with the bugs. There's a difference between reporting bugs/stating and what you like or dislike about the game and bitching constantly about how the game sucks and the development has stagnated.
"Taking a vacation for years"...? This game is under constant development, and the team is dividing its efforts between two different games (read the wiki). Small numbers of features are being added slowly over time to build up a stable, feature complete game. You obviously have no ****ing idea how much effort is being put into it.
Your native language doesn't have capitol letters?
Edit: LOL at the poisoned food analogy. I shouldn't even have to explain why that comparison doesn't work (HINT: Minecraft doesn't hurt you in any way).
and again with the "maybe..." considering the video wasnt done by notch, but by the site whos name i cant remember that gets early releases of minecraft, yeah, its entirely possible that mojang didnt notice it. the frozen pig could be aswell a bug that effects all mobs and removes there AI, but since you got no access to that version, you have no way to know it. also reporting bugs doesnt mean the developer should take on it right away, it means that the developer should take note of it. and notch doesnt exactly test the game. remember 1.5, 1.3 beta before hotfix, 1.2.3_02 alpha and 1.0.7_04 alpha tat broke minecraft entirely? remember the SMP bugs that anyone that played more a minute can notice? yeah.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23440
Of course, the game is never tested at all before release- its not like there could have been a last mistake in the patch that broke it. The logical conclusion to come to is that Notch no longer gives a **** about Minecraft and spends all of his time lounging around and never notices any bugs.
yes, theres the complainers that complain just for the heck of it, but theres also the complainers to complain in attempt to make the game better, but most just treat these the same. ive seen a thread about somebody who said minecraft SMP is having a problem with network buffering, and he was bombarded by people who said things like "this is beta!" "stop playing COD idiot" and similar things, because apparently reporting a bug equals dissing the bible or something. and why you dont understand im giving examples? i wasnt saying notch is taking vacations for years, didnt i? you seem to miss the point of complaining to improve something.
yes, hebrew doesnt have capitAl letters. i dont see what that has to do with anything?
as for the EDIT, yeah im tired, cant give good examples, but you should understand the general idea.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23440
and.. overreacting? saying notch doesnt exactly test the game before release (which is somewhat true) means notch no longer cares about minecraft etc etc etc?
EDIT:missed the edit button.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23440
I was being sarcastic if you didn't notice.
I wasn't trying to be an ass about your grammar if your native language is in fact Hebrew, I was just skeptical because many English speakers use that as an excuse to not use correct grammar and spelling on forums (I've seen "hay- for all you know my english might not be my first language ktnxbye" one to many times).
Anyways, I agree entirely that bugs should be reported, and if you don't like something then its okay to say so. However, this community is honestly one of the worst I've been to in terms of complaining- there's already been dozens of threads complaining about the 1.6 update and honestly another thread about bugs spotted in an old video that may or may not have been made entirely in Minecraft at all is not needed. You can report it when the patch is actually released.
Hundreds of redundant reports have the effect of drowning out other bugs and quirks that aren't as noticeable, so constant complaining is still a bad thing. Reporting something twice really won't get it done faster.
I understand your point, but the vast majority of complaints here are nothing more than groundless immature bitching. That includes almost all of the ones on the front page of the forum right now, and the annoying swarms that come with every update.
cant say much other than agreeing. posting this thread may not be a wise idea, but IMO seeing redundant bugs being shown in a video of the only update that supposed to be focused on bug fixes kind of made me annoyed
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23440
Okay then... Here goes. First off, what are the chances that we saw the creeper blow up just after the camera focused on the librarian? Unless they wanted to spend several hours getting it right, they would be controlling it to ensure that they got good footage, and that obviously can't be done in vanilla minecraft.
Now then. At the very front of the video, where the walrus was throwing paper down onto the librarian's desk, atleast some of the papers should have been picked up by the librarian. But they weren't, so either notch broke such an important aspect of the game without fixing it immediately, or that wasn't recorded in minecraft.
You know, theres a such clever mechanic in the game, that makes you not pick up items when you have a full inventory.
would like to, if network buffer was fixed. listed as bug fix on 1.6, so i hope that issue is finally solved. you got to remember its 2 and half months there though.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23440
Ninja'd? Not at all. It doesn't take a ninja to say something that long before you. Maybe you were little old ladied?
Good god this analogy is terrible. You realize that this is a BETA and thus HASN'T BEEN RELEASED. Plus, in no way is the game "poison". It's not like it breaks your computer, it just has minor bugs that hardly harm anyone's enjoyment unless they expect a beta to be flawless.
A proper analogy would be a food company allowing people to assist in developing a food product, and it still tastes bad, so the people testing it complain that they haven't gotten it to taste good yet.
HURRRR it's not out yet you morons, the food is still in development! Complain when it's released, not 7 months before.
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I haven't chosen a side yet, but this argument is bad. If the tester isn't supposed to say "this tastes bad", then what is he supposed to do? What is the point in a tester that doesn't help?
On the other hand, imagine the company if all the testers started jumping around wildy screaming like apes, over a small, meaningless, issue, saying it has to be fixed this instant.
We are testers. It is our duty to inform of bugs. Our duty is not to scream at Notch telling him how and when he needs to do things.
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