Hello im Wumbledorf, and most of you hate me because of what i have to say about how far down the road smp has come from what it should have been, so im going to throw out some actual statistics from mcserverlist.net:
Updated today:: April 30, 2011
Mcserverlist.net, and how many servers on each page have build rights enabled:
Page 1- 9/19 servers had build rights.
Page 2- 9/19 servers had build rights.
Page 3- 9/19 servers had build rights.
Page 4- 9/19 servers had build rights.
Page 5- 11/19 servers had build rights.
page 6- 13/19 servers had build rights.
page 7- 12/19 servers had build rights.
page 8- 13/19 servers had build rights.
page 9- 11/19 servers had build rights.
Page 10- 11/19 servers had build rights.
The above means that 107 out of 190 servers for the first 10 pages needed you to have build rights.
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How many servers had at least one mod enabled upon that server for the first 10 pages?
Page 1- 14/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 2- 13/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 3- 14/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 4- 17/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 5- 16/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 6- 15/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 7- 19/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 8- 17/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 9- 16/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 10- 14/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
The above means that 155 out of 190 servers had at least 1 mod enabled on their server for the first 10 pages.
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Well now you have the statistics, SMP is far from what SSP is.
“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
-Benjamin Franklin
So let me ask you guys, is it really worth giving up the freedom of building wherever you want in minecraft, in order to gain the security of not having griefers?
Unless you want your work ruined, yes it is. Think about it for a second, if everyone could build wherever the hell they want, then griefers would have a field trip.
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I have every right to use that image as my avatar. I support 11/9, and I laughed at it. Don't like it? Too bad. Last time I checked, I could express my opinion freely on this forum.
your'e last question is not pertinant to the statistics. or, more likely, your statistics do not pertain to your question. a better one would have been "is it worth having to type in "vanillia", in addition to "minecraft servers", in order to avoid griefing?". also, mods does not necesarilly mean protection, although yes, it often does. but the server i play on, for instance, has a simple forum to sign up on, it takes 2 minutes, and then you can do whatever the hell you want. so really, your statistics on mods are not relevant. also, in my opinion, it would be harder and more frustrating to build if your stuff is constiantly being griefed than have to sit through a couple days initiation period. (which is not something i approve of, by the way). and lastly, i don't hate you, because i don't know who you are. (i am also gonna ignore the smp/ssp comment, as that is just like saying "a whale's flipper is far from a mole's snout", at least in my opinion)
sorry for the critisism, but i'm glad you did research and stuff, and you even cited your source! good luck with whatever you were trying to prove, wumblemeow
you are willing to give up your freedom of building to live in a world without griefers, interesting...
Maybe thats why america is destined to fall
oh, crap!! i've posted in a troll post D:!!! this comment is obviously designed to elicit a reaction, the OP doesn't give a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys about smp. and if did, he wouldn't have said that, as that will obviously start a huge flame war that has nothing to do with smp. if you read this and think "oh no! i'm gonna do my job as a patriotic citizen and defend my country!", don't. you're wasting your time, and bumping a troll thread. I, for one, am out.
Well, your conclusions are flawed, no matter which way you come at it. Some measure of security is wanted and needed to build safely. It's not like everything becomes super-regulated, it's mostly just a screening check to make sure you're not an asshole or a greifer.
NOTHING like the government and security problems associated with America and the Westernized world. Let's not go there, this is Minecraft.
I, personally, never go to MCserverlist.net. One of my friends hosts a private server that is completely vanilla and whitelists a few friends(including me) and we just have fun sharing a base and sharing all of our items. Public servers, however(especially PVP) is like playing single player, except with lag, no nether, and a new mob called griefers and all they do is destroy your stuff. I mean, come on now. If you had mods, it would be like asking permission to build stuff just so that people can admire it. So, I think that yes it should be fully vanilla and no it should not be public.
you are willing to give up your freedom of building to live in a world without griefers, interesting...
Maybe thats why america is destined to fall
L. O. L.
Really, limiting your abilities in a game to protect yourself from a bunch of anonymous people is the downfall of America?
So, do you lock your door at home? Because you're limiting your ability to enter and exit without taking the extra time to unlock the door to prevent people from entering and taking all your stuff. Oh wait, even having a door is limiting your ability to enter and exit freely. You better get rid of that door quick!
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Do you have a lovely bunch of coconuts? Do you have them all standing in a row? Are there big ones, small ones, some as big as your head?
I think that quote is taken way too far out of context here...
Comparing SMP and SSP to nations doesn't make any sense. You can't buy your own country for you and your friends, can you?
This guys right. SMP has descended into a "NO FUN ALLOWED" game mode. You play, you get trust, you build, then what? You build some more? There's no adventure, no one does anythings and it's boring.
No one plays the game the way notch intended, It's sad.
But I know why this happened. I blame the community. If people did'nt get so ass-pained about being killed or having their buildings destroyed and acted mature, none of this would be necessary.
I play on a private server where we backstab and murder each other all the time. But no one gets angry becasue we either realize it's a game, or get the person back later.
It's infinity more fun then any build right server.
We have had, Rebellions, raids, Catastrophic fires, assassinations, planned heists, rescue missions, and built a huge archive keeping record of what we have done.
That is what SMP can be.
But, it never will.
It's truly sad that SMP will never get passed being a glorified creative mode.
One thing I do disagree with is the "Mods" part. A server that has mods is not bad, My private server uses bucket, just for the nether. Nothing else. So mods don't mean build rights and crap like that.
gremlinator said that my conlcusions are flawed, they are not my conclusions they are benjamin franklins conclusions.
It is not right to give up freedom for security, and if you do, you deserve neither.
That is not flawed, that is the truth coming from one of our very wise founding fathers.
Just because you're taking a quote (out of context) and saying someone said it was smart, doesn't mean you're right. Benjamin Franklin was actually a well known liar, as well as a public drunk. He lied in his autobiography.
Yeah, here in america you're free to work hard and build your life an acquire money, and everyone else is free to try and stab you and take it and burn your house to the ground.
I, personally, never go to MCserverlist.net. One of my friends hosts a private server that is completely vanilla and whitelists a few friends(including me) and we just have fun sharing a base and sharing all of our items.
Same.
Anwyays, I agree with you. Minecraft SMP is messed up. I mean, atleast LET US F***ING MAKE LAVA LAMPS OR FIRE IN THE EDGES OF OUR TOWERS
That all comes down to going to a server that allows it, or making a server of your own, as you've already done.
If the person who's actually paying for the server decides they want to install a mod that makes you all look like ducks, that's their choice and you either live with it or move on.
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Do you have a lovely bunch of coconuts? Do you have them all standing in a row? Are there big ones, small ones, some as big as your head?
This guys right. SMP has descended into a "NO FUN ALLOWED" game mode. You play, you get trust, you build, then what? You build some more? There's no adventure, no one does anythings and it's boring.
People enjoy building, some people dont, deal with it, they do do "anything" and its called building, its what you can expect when you go on a server clearly labled "CREATIVE/FREEEBUILD" IF ITS BORING FOR YOU, YOUR ON THE WRONG SERVER
No one plays the game the way notch intended, It's sad.
You are not Notch, you cannot decide what he intended, he may have wanted everyone to build giant dicks if he wanted, doesnt mean nayone would have
But I know why this happened. I blame the community. If people did'nt get so ass-pained about being killed or having their buildings destroyed and acted mature, none of this would be necessary.
If no one greifed or was an asshole, then people wouldnt be ass pained, how do like having your hard work destroyed in the blink of an eye?
I play on a private server where we backstab and murder each other all the time. But no one gets angry becasue we either realize it's a game, or get the person back later.
It's infinity more fun then any build right server.
You cant get a greifer back later, as they have nothing on the server to lose
it may be a game, but the time and effor taken to build things makes building vavluable to their creator
its more fun FOR YOU AND YOUR FREINDS, not for others.
We have had, Rebellions, raids, Catastrophic fires, assassinations, planned heists, rescue missions, and built a huge archive keeping record of what we have done.
sounds cool, sometimes I like fighting, sometimes I like building, theres a server for everyone
That is what SMP can be.
for those who like it that way
But, it never will.
It's truly sad that SMP will never get passed being a glorified creative mode.
and? so what if people like building in a game CLEARLY DESIGNED FOR IT
One thing I do disagree with is the "Mods" part. A server that has mods is not bad, My private server uses bucket, just for the nether. Nothing else. So mods don't mean build rights and crap like that.
on a note here, I feel that 100% vannila servers just dont work, and some mods are needed for smooth running/fun, but if its over done then it is truly annoying
@OP - You threads are designed to start arguments and flamewars, do everyone a favour and stop making them.
Updated today:: April 30, 2011
Mcserverlist.net, and how many servers on each page have build rights enabled:
Page 1- 9/19 servers had build rights.
Page 2- 9/19 servers had build rights.
Page 3- 9/19 servers had build rights.
Page 4- 9/19 servers had build rights.
Page 5- 11/19 servers had build rights.
page 6- 13/19 servers had build rights.
page 7- 12/19 servers had build rights.
page 8- 13/19 servers had build rights.
page 9- 11/19 servers had build rights.
Page 10- 11/19 servers had build rights.
The above means that 107 out of 190 servers for the first 10 pages needed you to have build rights.
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How many servers had at least one mod enabled upon that server for the first 10 pages?
Page 1- 14/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 2- 13/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 3- 14/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 4- 17/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 5- 16/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 6- 15/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 7- 19/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 8- 17/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 9- 16/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
Page 10- 14/19 servers had at least 1 mod.
The above means that 155 out of 190 servers had at least 1 mod enabled on their server for the first 10 pages.
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Well now you have the statistics, SMP is far from what SSP is.
“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
-Benjamin Franklin
So let me ask you guys, is it really worth giving up the freedom of building wherever you want in minecraft, in order to gain the security of not having griefers?
Because, if you aren't a griefer, it shouldn't be hard to get building rights, and gain trust..
This, means that you can build in peace.
Maybe thats why america is destined to fall
sorry for the critisism, but i'm glad you did research and stuff, and you even cited your source! good luck with whatever you were trying to prove, wumblemeow
oh, crap!! i've posted in a troll post D:!!! this comment is obviously designed to elicit a reaction, the OP doesn't give a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys about smp. and if did, he wouldn't have said that, as that will obviously start a huge flame war that has nothing to do with smp. if you read this and think "oh no! i'm gonna do my job as a patriotic citizen and defend my country!", don't. you're wasting your time, and bumping a troll thread. I, for one, am out.
NOTHING like the government and security problems associated with America and the Westernized world. Let's not go there, this is Minecraft.
It is not right to give up freedom for security, and if you do, you deserve neither.
That is not flawed, that is the truth coming from one of our very wise founding fathers.
L. O. L.
Really, limiting your abilities in a game to protect yourself from a bunch of anonymous people is the downfall of America?
So, do you lock your door at home? Because you're limiting your ability to enter and exit without taking the extra time to unlock the door to prevent people from entering and taking all your stuff. Oh wait, even having a door is limiting your ability to enter and exit freely. You better get rid of that door quick!
Comparing SMP and SSP to nations doesn't make any sense. You can't buy your own country for you and your friends, can you?
No one plays the game the way notch intended, It's sad.
But I know why this happened. I blame the community. If people did'nt get so ass-pained about being killed or having their buildings destroyed and acted mature, none of this would be necessary.
I play on a private server where we backstab and murder each other all the time. But no one gets angry becasue we either realize it's a game, or get the person back later.
It's infinity more fun then any build right server.
We have had, Rebellions, raids, Catastrophic fires, assassinations, planned heists, rescue missions, and built a huge archive keeping record of what we have done.
That is what SMP can be.
But, it never will.
It's truly sad that SMP will never get passed being a glorified creative mode.
One thing I do disagree with is the "Mods" part. A server that has mods is not bad, My private server uses bucket, just for the nether. Nothing else. So mods don't mean build rights and crap like that.
Please, show me the quotation you are referencing, where Ben Franklin was talking about minecraft.
There's a difference between an online video game and the real world, you know.
Just because you're taking a quote (out of context) and saying someone said it was smart, doesn't mean you're right. Benjamin Franklin was actually a well known liar, as well as a public drunk. He lied in his autobiography.
That is definitely how American law works.
That all comes down to going to a server that allows it, or making a server of your own, as you've already done.
If the person who's actually paying for the server decides they want to install a mod that makes you all look like ducks, that's their choice and you either live with it or move on.
@OP - You threads are designed to start arguments and flamewars, do everyone a favour and stop making them.